Koch Brothers Themselves Will Have A Stronger Political Presence Than Democrats or Republicans

Jim, that is a good plan. Remember that old "Be kind to dumb animals" ad campaign? Well, I have always felt that animals are kind to dumb people. :)

Gene
 

QuickSilver said:
I hope he does run.. At least he will pull Hillary more to the left, because she will have to debate him in the primary.
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I hope he does run for the very same reason you give. However, let me point out something that isn't commented on very much these days, I'm convinced that in her heart of hearts Hillary is a lot further left than the Hillary she's projecting in her run up to the 2016 election. I lived in Arkansas during the entire time that Bill and Hill were doing the scene in Arkansas and I paid a lot of attention to her and I came away feeling that this was a very progressive lady. But I'm sure we can all agree that both Clintons are very political animals and I've lived through enough elections to know that a political personae is something crafted with getting elected in mind. That's the way the game is played. Obama is probably more transparently honest than most politicians, but he fudged on Gay marriage even though he supported the idea all along. With Bernie what you see is what you get, which is why he could only be elected in Vermont.
 
This started out being about the Koch brothers. So who has more money? the Kochs, or George Sorros. At least the Kochs are Americans and earned their money in America. George Sorros didn't.

Gene
 
Personnally.... I think Republicans should cut the Bull$hit and just run the Kochs for President and VP... Just cut the $hit of trying to pick a pair of puppets for those two.. Let them run for what they really WILL be if a Republican wins... Why bother with the middleman? They should spend their money to get themselves elected. At least then Americans will KNOW what they are voting for.
 
Ralphy1 said:
Why bother to go thru the bother of running when you can just have your puppet do it...
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It would be fairer to the voting public. You realize that there are some who believe they are voting for a particular politician when they are actually voting for the Kochs and all their policies and agenda.. Right? I believe in eliminating the middle man whenever possible..

Now.. it's different with George Soros.... HIS policies and agenda are actually GOOD for the average American... so If he is the Puppet Master behind the Democrats.. I say hooray.... Let him run too then.. Maybe he should.
 
Sorros is not one to turn your back on. Part of his millions came from when he ripped off England with his handling of gold and silver. Not one to trust at all.

Now if you can, post some information on evils the Kochs have done. Seldom heard name except when the Democrats want to poison any that may want to run against them or pay others to run against them. They are independently wealthy from their industrial businesses. Much fairer than ripping off the English bank with financial games, Sorros did that.

Look into the Sorros name and there are plenty of comments and connections to the communist thinking groups and activities.
 
Now.. it's different with George Soros.... HIS policies and agenda are actually GOOD for the average American... so If he is the Puppet Master behind the Democrats.. I say hooray.... Let him run too then.. Maybe he should.[/QUOTE]

Why would a foreigners money and policies be good for America?

Gene
 
GeneMO said:
Now.. it's different with George Soros.... HIS policies and agenda are actually GOOD for the average American... so If he is the Puppet Master behind the Democrats.. I say hooray.... Let him run too then.. Maybe he should.
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Why would a foreigners money and policies be good for America?

Gene[/QUOTE]

Could you please post a link showing what agenda Soros will or has pushed for? Like... what regulations does he want eliminated so he can make more money? What is it that he hopes to get from contributing to any Democratic PAC? I'm curious.. Just what does Soros want?
 
Soros would love to have a far left or socialist government as that is the way he feels. He definitely does not want the US Constitution to be in charge or he would not be boosting Obama.
 
BobF said:
Soros would love to have a far left or socialist government as that is the way he feels. He definitely does not want the US Constitution to be in charge or he would not be boosting Obama.
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AND George Soros benefits from this HOW?? Please explain... Why should he spend his millions to get nothing??? Unlike the Kochs, whose agenda and policies directly affect their businesses and bottom line..
 
Soros would like to see the US turned into a far left socialist for sure country and has no reason to support our Constitution if that is the way he would like us to go. Why did he put so much money and effort into making sure Obama got nominated and elected over Hillary? To get someone much further left than Hillary in charge and look what Obama has done to the US. Over $10 trillion more debt and barely any improvement for businesses and industry. Obama is failing to allow expansions of our own oil industry and has just denied what Canada wants to do with their oil. Both money losers and the alternative of shipping oil in trains or trucks is more expensive and far more dangerous to all of us than the pipelines for the oil that will be transported whether Obama likes it or not.

I don't think Soros did all this for nothing. He has always wanted to keep increasing his portion of the wealth. But for sure he wants to keep all of us under the yoke of far left socialism. That is the way he grew up and seems to want us all to do the same. Just as the US Democrat party is trying to do to all of us in the US. Absolutely no concerns about the US debts at all.

A big question about this line of posts. Why would Soros or Obama want to ignore our Constitution and Congress and just go around spending more money than the public can or will be able to pay back?
 
BobF said:
Soros would like to see the US turned into a far left socialist for sure country and has no reason to support our Constitution if that is the way he would like us to go. Why did he put so much money and effort into making sure Obama got nominated and elected over Hillary? To get someone much further left than Hillary in charge and look what Obama has done to the US. Over $10 trillion more debt and barely any improvement for businesses and industry. Obama is failing to allow expansions of our own oil industry and has just denied what Canada wants to do with their oil. Both money losers and the alternative of shipping oil in trains or trucks is more expensive and far more dangerous to all of us than the pipelines for the oil that will be transported whether Obama likes it or not.

I don't think Soros did all this for nothing. He has always wanted to keep increasing his portion of the wealth. But for sure he wants to keep all of us under the yoke of far left socialism. That is the way he grew up and seems to want us all to do the same. Just as the US Democrat party is trying to do to all of us in the US. Absolutely no concerns about the US debts at all.

A big question about this line of posts. Why would Soros or Obama want to ignore our Constitution and Congress and just go around spending more money than the public can or will be able to pay back?
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Seriously? You seriously believe the crap? Sounds like a whole lot of Right Wing gobbley-gook to me... and to most thinking folks. You can't back any of this garbage up with any hard facts and you know it... It's opinion and conjecture, and not worth my time debating you over it.
 
Hg, look at it this way. Sorros supports Obama and Hillary, and all Democrats and their agenda. Since he supports people I dont like, I dont like him.

The Koch brothes support the Republicans and their agenda. Since they support people you dont like, you are not going to like them.

But thank goodness this country gives us the right to disagree on such things and not be afraid to speak our minds.

You are not going to change my mind, nor more than I am gonna change yours.

At least the Koch brothers are American. I am very suspicious of a foreigner spending that much money in our elections. What does he want? I dont know the answer.
 
Quicksilver, you are so far off and boring with your opinions, especially of others. I am pretty much of the middle of the US voters. I am definitely not of the far left types of Democrats. I do sometimes agree with and vote for the more centered types of Democrat policies. I am not far right and do not agree with lots of the far right Republicans either so then I have to decide to reject the issue or switch to one of the milder Democrat ideas. You seem to think we should all just fall for the far left socialist/communist ideas and ignore the Constitution. If so, that makes your position pretty precarious for the future of the US. Right now with the current party not wanting the Senate or House to make decisions for the country, we are really in deep trouble. Up to 8 trillion dollars more debt so fare and 2 more years to go. Pretty scary. That is how Obama has operated since he got elected. Hopefully Hillary won't be such a one minded and unconstitutional acting person as we have right now. unfortunately you seem to think that is the way we should go. I disagree, as I am able to do on this forum. You should limber up a bit and allow others to post without personal attacks.

And one last comment. You could clean up that trash mouth way of communicating a bit.
 
BobF said:
Quicksilver, you are so far off and boring with your opinions, especially of others. I am pretty much of the middle of the US voters. I am definitely not of the far left types of Democrats. I do sometimes agree with and vote for the more centered types of Democrat policies. I am not far right and do not agree with lots of the far right Republicans either so then I have to decide to reject the issue or switch to one of the milder Democrat ideas. You seem to think we should all just fall for the far left socialist/communist ideas and ignore the Constitution. If so, that makes your position pretty precarious for the future of the US. Right now with the current party not wanting the Senate or House to make decisions for the country, we are really in deep trouble. Up to 8 trillion dollars more debt so fare and 2 more years to go. Pretty scary. That is how Obama has operated since he got elected. Hopefully Hillary won't be such a one minded and unconstitutional acting person as we have right now. unfortunately you seem to think that is the way we should go. I disagree, as I am able to do on this forum. You should limber up a bit and allow others to post without personal attacks.

And one last comment. You could clean up that trash mouth way of communicating a bit.
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http://www.alternet.org/polls-show-americans-skew-left-hillary-clintons-vital-center-agenda


Unfortunately.... You are wrong as usual... America is actually a Center LEFT country.. and polls show it... Most Americans are left of Hillary in fact. You really need to get out of your echochamber bubble more often..

As for my way of communicating... There's always the ignore button... I put you on and off... depending on what I have the stomach for at the moment. But I should add that I take your post as a compliment... I know that you cannot get the better of me in debate.. and YOU know it too... that's why you have to moan about my delivery... because you do not do a very good job at substance.
 
And which polls are you talking of? I certainly don't know what you say is a fact.

You tell things the way you see them and I will also tell them the way I see them. No winners at all. Just personal opinions of how things are going. It is not a debate as you say it is.

I don't think my comment about your trash mouth talk as being a compliment at all.
 
BobF said:
And which polls are you talking of? I certainly don't know what you say is a fact.

You tell things the way you see them and I will also tell them the way I see them. No winners at all. Just personal opinions of how things are going. It is not a debate as you say it is.

I don't think my comment about your trash mouth talk as being a compliment at all.
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I do... and thank you.
 
BobF said:
This Presidential campaigning is just far too far in advance of the election. All should wait till after next fall to begin to get going. As it is now we will all be burned out by the time the real campaign and election time rolls around.

Again I say we should do without the parties and their distorted ways of trying to run this country. Let it get back to where the people make those decisions by the folks they nominate and elect.
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I wish it was like that, all for one and one for all. Someone mentioned other countries watching us and yes they are. People read these threads. Doesn't it make sense that if they see us fighting amongst ourselves, without coming to a compromise of some sort, that if they want to kick us, they'll know when we are at our weakest. I've always believed that there are people that don't like others to be at the top, they want to knock them down. The US is not well liked by some, an understatement. Is it possible to get a President in there that can actually get us to work together?

I know it's early, but I am inclined to vote for Hilary because she's a woman (I know, shame on me) but I also know she's been in the biz a hell of a long time. I don't care which party she is, I'm hoping she would work toward bringing us together. Do women have more sense then men. Wow, there I go sticking another stick in a hornets nest. I can't stop though, they tried me on all kinds of pills, a labotomy, nothing worked, so I am here to stay, at the chagrin of some, until I am not here anymore, for whatever reason;)
 
America is actually a center left country according to polls?

I guess that is why Democrats lost big in the US house
I guess that is why Democrats lost control of the US Senate
I guess that is why Democrats lost big in State governors races.

Those pesky Republicans must be center left.

Gene
 
GeneMO said:
Now.. it's different with George Soros.... HIS policies and agenda are actually GOOD for the average American... so If he is the Puppet Master behind the Democrats.. I say hooray.... Let him run too then.. Maybe he should.
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Why would a foreigners money and policies be good for America?

Gene[/QUOTE]

You got it, that's some of my thoughts, if there is a democrat running I see as being good for America, they'll have my vote. I refuse to believe that every Dem is bad, and every R is good, or visa versa.
 

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