Latino Civil Rights Leader Has A Harsh Warning For Republicans

But who's report/statistics Jackie, who the heck can you believe? I think we are only given what "whoever" decides we can see. And then, someone else comes up with an opposite report. I said before I am not R or D, I an American citizen who votes for the most capable, in my eyes. What I think is if we don't come together, we just won't be around to make any decisions at all. We'll be like those countries that are overpowered/dictated. Fantasy? Maybe.
 

MrJim said:
I think the Repubs are boxed in on the issue.

Businesses, especially agriculture which is the backbone of our economy, benefit greatly from illegal immigrants who work cheap, recieve no fringe benefits, pay federal income taxes which are deducted & collect no retirement benefits. They also keep produce prices low which keeps the prices of all related products low.

Social conservatives want illegal immigrants gone because of the horror stories they hear about them & because they make a convenient scapegoat for everything wrong in the country.

Business & social conservatives together, comprise the Republicans' support base, while having competing interests on this issue.

Republicans get the lion's share of their contributions from business & industry lobby groups, while rank & file social conservative cast their votes for them.

No matter what they do, they're going to anger either the people who fund their campaigns or the people who cast their votes for them, which is why you don't see the Republican taking any action either way on immigration.


The Democrats would be wise to keep this issue front & center.
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The La Raza person is late to the party. The CNN Ashly Women, the MSNBC crew and Mz. Pelosi already lectured the pro legal immigration only crowd.

More importantly the Democrats would be foolish to count on legitimate Hispanic votes. As a union member for decades conservative politics & Republicans were over 50% of the local. Many were vets and made good enough money to realize taxes were a killer. Some calculated the maximum number of hours to work before overtime pay was diminished by taxes. Also many sent their kids to private school and would get frustrated at what was being spent on the public schools.

Setting that aside I would not count on Hispanic political views as a Democrat in particular.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Amer...uss-over-anti-gay-chants-at-World-Cup-matches
 
MrJim said:
Well, first of all, she's an American citizen. Why should she leave the country she was born & raised in? Secondly, what exactly do you think one person, woman or man, could possibly do to turn the economic problems of an entire country around???
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It's true that one person, or even a group of people with good intentions, can't get far due to all the corruption, power and money behind the scenes in government. If they make too much noise, they'll end up six feet under. Even the president can only do so much, and is ruled by the money interests, large corporations, and other powers that be.
 

The OP sounded to me like this gal was making HUGE progress against those that don't agree with her, like how she has friends/relatives in high places? Now I'm more confused. Does she have the power and should those that disagree with her be worried or threatened/warned?? And when I said that about her going to help Mexico, I thought maybe her "highly placed" relatives would go with her as well?

I still think this boils down to coming to America legally, or illegally. Is it the law or not, are there loopholes, fix the law.
 
NWLady said:
The OP sounded to me like this gal was making HUGE progress against those that don't agree with her, like how she has friends/relatives in high places? Now I'm more confused. Does she have the power and should those that disagree with her be worried or threatened/warned?? And when I said that about her going to help Mexico, I thought maybe her "highly placed" relatives would go with her as well?
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I was the one who mentioned that her siblings were federal judges and that she was born and raised in Kansas City. I did so not to raise any issue of influence in high places but to demonstrate that this family comprises US citizens with a record of contributing to American society. They are 'lifters' not 'leaners'. I have no idea what the circumstances of her parents were. They might have been rich or poor immigrants. Does it really matter? Does it matter where they were born ? They raised three very impressive kids.
 
Davey Jones said:

She's a native of Illinois isn't she? Same as that other one in the White House and you want another one in there??? NAW
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"That other one" in the WH now is one hundred times the President that brain damaged hillbilly moron draft dodger from Texas ever was.

At least he hasn't bumbled & stumbled us into a one trillion dollar war for no damned reason whatsoever.

Oh wait, we may still find them danged ol WMD's in Iraq someday!!!!! :rofl:
 
nwlady said:
History shows "one" person can make a difference, hell, she seems to be influencing quite a few from the OP already??
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So now you're trying to say that because one person is firing up voters in America, they could go to a third world country like Mexico & change the entire economic system overnight so that every Mexican citizen will be so deliriously happy, they'll stop coming across the border & making you all nervous & uncomfy?

I hate to use the "s" word again, but honestly... that's kinda silly, don't you think?

nwlady said:
name calling doesn't really bring America together does it? I am not as wise as some about politics, but you definitely give more credit then I should get, about "trying" to divert attention. Either that or I am sneakier and smarter then I think;)
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Name calling??? Who is name calling? Pointing out that a suggestion is "silly" is not name calling. Implying that it is name calling on the other hand is... oh, nevermind.

nwlady said:
And I don't think this is a good thing. I think the point here is, what is best for America as a whole, not just "her ancestory". I think our leaders need to be objective for America's sake. America is made up of all nationalities. I wonder if she would be as loud if it were another nationality crossing the borders?
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Yeah, white, anglo-saxon conservative Americans, the most self-interested group of people in the US really just hate it when some other group asserts themselves by engaging in the same behavior they do. It's human nature for members of groups to stick together. Besides, I'm sure they feel that what's good for them is also good for the country.

At any rate, the woman was just telling it like it is. La Raza has a lot of influence over Hispanic voters just like AARP has over senior citizen voters & the Southern Baptist Convention has over Christian voters.
 
she says they are refugees, and I thought they were illegal immigrants. Geez. Will the real truth please stand up:confused:
 
nwlady said:
And I've never agreed with this. If the US is going to allow illegal immigrants to work here, they should be payed the same. Otherwise, what does that make us? I'm sure someone can think of a country that would do that. Well yeah, you can work here, just has hard as citizens, but you don't get the good pay or bennies. I'm confused:confused: You see, you seem to think people that are against illegal immigrants coming into America, and being able to stay, don't care about them.
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Stop & think about how much your food would cost at the grocery store if the people who harvest it out in the fields got paid like Americans with all the same benefits.

Would you be willing to pay $5 for a tomato?
 
MrJim said:
So now you're trying to say that because one person is firing up voters in America, they could go to a third world country like Mexico & change the entire economic system overnight so that every Mexican citizen will be so deliriously happy, they'll stop coming across the border & making you all nervous & uncomfy?

I hate to use the "s" word again, but honestly... that's kinda silly, don't you think?



Name calling??? Who is name calling? Pointing out that a suggestion is "silly" is not name calling. Implying that it is name calling on the other hand is... oh, nevermind.



Yeah, white, anglo-saxon conservative Americans, the most self-interested group of people in the US really just hate it when some other group asserts themselves by engaging in the same behavior they do. It's human nature for members of groups to stick together. Besides, I'm sure they feel that what's good for them is also good for the country.

At any rate, the woman was just telling it like it is. La Raza has a lot of influence over Hispanic voters just like AARP has over senior citizen voters & the Southern Baptist Convention has over Christian voters.
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That's ok, we both name-called, you did way better though with your post to Davey;) No, she was telling it like she sees it. Like I mention later, are they refugees or illegal immigrants. Still sounds to me that they want to "interpret" the law to they're belief of what is right and wrong to do in this situation.

I think you assume every American that is against some being allowed across our borders, are racists or selfish, which I strongly disagree with you there. In fact, you sound much more like a racist then I have in any of my statements. I don't give a dang what color a person is, or what language they speak, it isn't the person, it's the situations in the US that are being neglected, but what's front-page-news. Oh the Right Wing all suck, they are a bunch of..or the left sucks. Or my team is gonna kick your teams ass, how does this help the situation??
 
MrJim said:
Stop & think about how much your food would cost at the grocery store if the people who harvest it out in the fields got paid like Americans with all the same benefits.

Would you be willing to pay $5 for a tomato?
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If you are not a citizen, and living and working in America, you are illegal, breaking the law. If we have to pay 5.00 a tomato, then we best figure it out in the right way, not justify people breaking the law. Americans are supposed to be punished for breaking the our law, so we have a double-standard so we can have cheaper tomatos? Wouldn't there be a better way? Maybe no one here thinks so, something ain't right though, and even my pea-brain can see that.
 
WhatInThe said:
The La Raza person is late to the party. The CNN Ashly Women, the MSNBC crew and Mz. Pelosi already lectured the pro legal immigration only crowd.

More importantly the Democrats would be foolish to count on legitimate Hispanic votes. As a union member for decades conservative politics & Republicans were over 50% of the local. Many were vets and made good enough money to realize taxes were a killer. Some calculated the maximum number of hours to work before overtime pay was diminished by taxes. Also many sent their kids to private school and would get frustrated at what was being spent on the public schools.

Setting that aside I would not count on Hispanic political views as a Democrat in particular.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Amer...uss-over-anti-gay-chants-at-World-Cup-matches
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All beside the point.

La Raza speaks directly to Hispanics & has huge support amongst them. Also, Hispanics are the fastest growing segment of several states like Florida, that are key swing states in Presidential elections.

It's common knowledge that you don't win the WH without winning Florida.

And there are a LOT of Hispanics here in Florida.
 
nwlady said:
If you are not a citizen, and living and working in America, you are illegal, breaking the law. If we have to pay 5.00 a tomato, then we best figure it out in the right way, not justify people breaking the law. Americans are supposed to be punished for breaking the our law, so we have a double-standard so we can have cheaper tomatos? Wouldn't there be a better way? Maybe no one here thinks so, something ain't right though, and even my pea-brain can see that.
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File it under "just the way things are".

The nation's economic health is the most important thing there is. Agriculture is the backbone of our economy. If our agricultural industry fails, the rest of the country fails. Then all that right & wrong, double-standard business will mean nothing. Sometimes you just have to look beyond certain things for the greater good.

Wouldn't do us any good to get hung up on the letter of the law if there was no country left.
 
right, and that's what it looks like for the future imo, no more country. And I hear that way, too often, "it's just the way it is" and it's said when the person has no wisdom to correct a bad situation. Worse then that, it's often said by people that not only "do not have an answer" they won't take anyone else's opinion into account. Like the doctor that can't find what is wrong with a person, sends them home to die, or just live with it. When there are many other doctors that might be recommended. Why does that happen? Because the first doc thinks they have all the answers so why look further.
 
If local tomatoes become too expensive then the supermarkets will just import them from third world countries. That's what happens over here.

Actually if trade barriers are adjusted so that poor countries can receive fair trade deals then less people might stop trying to enter rich ones. Just a thought.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
If local tomatoes become too expensive then the supermarkets will just import them from third world countries. That's what happens over here.

Actually if trade barriers are adjusted so that poor countries can receive fair trade deals then less people might stop trying to enter rich ones. Just a thought.
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This makes good sense to me, I figured someone would come up with a better way than justifying breaking the law. Dang, good thought Dame;)
 
nwlady said:
That's ok, we both name-called, you did way better though with your post to Davey;) No, she was telling it like she sees it. Like I mention later, are they refugees or illegal immigrants. Still sounds to me that they want to "interpret" the law to they're belief of what is right and wrong to do in this situation.

I think you assume every American that is against some being allowed across our borders, are racists or selfish, which I strongly disagree with you there. In fact, you sound much more like a racist then I have in any of my statements. I don't give a dang what color a person is, or what language they speak, it isn't the person, it's the situations in the US that are being neglected, but what's front-page-news. Oh the Right Wing all suck, they are a bunch of..or the left sucks. Or my team is gonna kick your teams ass, how does this help the situation??
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Well now you are name-calling. I never called you or the right or anyone else a racist.

Those on the right have a distinct tendency towards narrow thinking & paranoia towards foreigners, which they think is patriotism, though.

And as for conservatives being selfish... having one's primary interests & motives revolve mainly about one's self or one's own group, is the definition of selfishness. I didn't make up the word or it's meaning.

It is what it is.
 
nwlady said:
This makes good sense to me, I figured someone would come up with a better way than justifying breaking the law. Dang, good thought Dame;)
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Yeah, but if we import tomatoes from third world countries, what happens to the tomato growers here in the US????

They go out of business!!!! That hurts the economy!!!!

We're talking tens of billions of dollars just in that one industry alone. Then, add all the other agri products that would have to be imported & all the other industries that would cease to exist here in the US...

It's all tied together!!!!

Hel - LO?????
 
nwlady said:
right, and that's what it looks like for the future imo, no more country. And I hear that way, too often, "it's just the way it is" and it's said when the person has no wisdom to correct a bad situation. Worse then that, it's often said by people that not only "do not have an answer" they won't take anyone else's opinion into account. Like the doctor that can't find what is wrong with a person, sends them home to die, or just live with it. When there are many other doctors that might be recommended. Why does that happen? Because the first doc thinks they have all the answers so why look further.
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That's funny because those on the side you advocate have never come up with any ideas whatsoever!!!! :rofl:

Other than "put up a fence & guard it 24/7/365".

Ever consider how much that would cost????

So... let's hear some of your ideas on how to solve the problem.

All I've heard so far is a lot of complaining.
 
Oh please, you think the left is any less of what you are saying the right is? I don't want to talk anymore about teams, we all should be working together, not bad-mouthing the way others think, or what group they supposedly belong to. I'm an American and want what is best for America. True, I don't always know who to believe, let alone vote for, but if I hear something good from a democrat I'll listen up just as quickly as if a republican is saying it. To me it sounds like you have found every person who is conservative, or right-wing wrong on all counts. I think we would do well to see where "people" are right and good.

If we don't listen to both sides with "open" minds, what do we do, just vote for anyone that has an R in front of their name? That doesn't seem very bright to me.
 
MrJim said:
That's funny because those on the side you advocate have never come up with any ideas whatsoever!!!! :rofl:

Other than "put up a fence & guard it 24/7/365".

Ever consider how much that would cost????

So... let's hear some of your ideas on how to solve the problem.

All I've heard so far is a lot of complaining.
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Because I don't agree with you that puts me on the opposite team. I don't see where I've defended or advocated either side, I only see where I have disagreed with you.
 
nwlady said:
Oh please, you think the left is any less of what you are saying the right is? I don't want to talk anymore about teams, we all should be working together, not bad-mouthing the way others think, or what group they supposedly belong to. I'm an American and want what is best for America. True, I don't always know who to believe, let alone vote for, but if I hear something good from a democrat I'll listen up just as quickly as if a republican is saying it. To me it sounds like you have found every person who is conservative, or right-wing wrong on all counts. I think we would do well to see where "people" are right and good.

If we don't listen to both sides with "open" minds, what do we do, just vote for anyone that has an R in front of their name? That doesn't seem very bright to me.
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Well, you either agree with one side or the other.

Each side's positions on the issues are well known & most of their candidates & elected officials more or less toe the party line, so it's not that unusual that the majority of Americans identify with either the left or the right.

I happen to think that the Republicans are wrong on just about everything.

And that is my right.
 
nwlady said:
Because I don't agree with you that puts me on the opposite team. I don't see where I've defended or advocated either side, I only see where I have disagreed with you.
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Of course you have.

You advocate blocking the border & sending back all the undocumented aliens including those kids.

Or do you advocate letting them stay here at least until something can be done in which their safety can be assured?

Which is it?
 
MrJim said:
Well, you either agree with one side or the other.

Each side's positions on the issues are well known & most of their candidates & elected officials more or less toe the party line, so it's not that unusual that the majority of Americans identify with either the left or the right.

I happen to think that the Republicans are wrong on just about everything.

And that is my right.
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No, I don't have to agree with one side or the other, both can be right, and both can be wrong. Both can have good points and bad. Those teams you keep talking about, and deciding who belongs on which of the two, are made up of imperfect people, they can't be all right all the time.

I'm not going to discuss it further with you though because I don't appreciate the way you "discuss" so carry on without me. I can tell you I am not against "your" team because of anything you've said here though. It's too bad when discussions have to end when maybe we could have worked together on a solution.
 

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