Life after death.... myth or fact

Pete

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….the sound of a lone cough echoed off the marble floor and cement walls as the priest cast his penetrating gaze seemingly at me from the front of the church. I was 14 soon to go to high school and this would be my last school mass and sermon. He started off like he had a number of times over the years with the words, remember if you commit a sin you will burn in the fires of hell.



Not a good way to start your school day but one familiar to some Catholic grade schools in the 50's where a mass and sermon on the benefits of being good and the consequences of being bad were normal fair. Now however 58 years later I am finding myself thinking more and more about the, hopefully metaphoric, fires of hell. I have for years wanted to write a posting about God, faith and death but have always held back because like politics it is a subject that can ignite strong emotions, today however I thought I would give it a shot.



Stating the obvious the one thing everyone of us share whether we are black or white, Christian or Muslim, liberal or conservative, male or female is we will all die. The day you are borne you are sentenced to die with no hope for a stay of your death. Most do not think of it for decades until they start to age and realize their time is running out others fight their whole lives against that end by turning their lives into one long physical fitness marathon which of course always ends the same way.... death.



Finally we have those who believe without a shred of doubt that their death is merely a doorway of sorts to their next stage.... life in heaven with God the Father. In between the two we have those who were raised in faith and know about life after death but do not live the life that merits it, and those who never heard about heaven and everlasting life and live their day to day existence exclusively for personal pleasure and gain.



So who is right?

No answers
but my beliefs
in my next posting

 

Well,last time I was dead, people kept asking me if I believed in life after death...but somehow, it seemed improbable.

Then,the discovery of Dark Energy and it's effects on building this universe came to the fore.

.....hmm......

Well,why not? Thoughts are energy, energy changes it's properties but not it's existence.
So-ok,that'll do for me.

I'm coming back as Darth Vader's big brother next time!
 
I don't believe there is really an answer to "Who is right?" on this. We all subscribe to a mind set that supports our emotional and intellectual needs.

I am an atheist. I cannot imagine myself believing anything just because somebody told me it is true, without any proof or evidence whatever. If something is proven by the evidence of science, then I will "believe" it, although it's a different kind of belief. It's not faith that something is true, just because; it's the feeling that this is the most we can understand on the subject at this stage of human
development. As our understanding grows, our ideas may change. That is very different from absolute belief.

So my feeling about your question is: No, we have no evidence of life after death. I imagine it as being the same as "What was it like before you were born?" The world existed, but not for us. It wasn't good, it wasn't bad, it just wasn't anything. After death, the way we live on is in the thoughts and memories of others. To me, that's just common sense. Others see the universe differently.
 

I have a hard time believing that our "soul" just disappears when our time on this Earth ends. I'm not very religious, but I Do believe that there is a Higher Power....far too complex for our little minds to comprehend...that guides the Universe. I think our spirit lives on when the body collapses....and in many respects, I kind of look forward to the next cycle....and hope to come back as an astronaut....but not for a few more years.
 
I just don't know and can't go by anything except science.

i just can't see how you can go any farther once your brain is dead.

We kill animals to eat. You just get recycled . Nothing ever disappears. It just changes form.
 
Hi Pete, nice to see ya!

I don't believe in recycling souls or reincarnation, etc...

I believe that when you die you are dead.

"When you're hot, you're hot a
nd when you're not, you're not ..." -
Jerry Reed

I also believe:

Thessalonians 4:16-18

16 For the Lord, himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

For me the keywords are in Christ, ya gotta have faith and seek forgiveness in order to be ready when the big day comes.

There are other similar passages in the Bible.

We'll see!





 
I'm an agnostic; I don't believe there is life after death. Sometimes I envy believers who have faith, but my attempts to join into organized religion left me with more questions than answers. It seems to me that most religions are simply a way to control people by fear tactics. I feel that when we die, our time is truly over and we will cease to exist. Snuffed out like "a candle in the wind."
 
I believe without a shadow of doubt that my death is merely a doorway to the next stage in life.
All my experiences with death ( however you wish to define it) proved it to me but I certainly don’t wish to convince anyone otherwise. It’s our own individual journey.
I don’t belong to any organized religion since it clashes with my personal experiences
 
These two words have opposite meanings. Life & death.

In case you didn't know; In LIFE there is movement of a sort, and thinking etc.

In death, you're simply lying there in the coffin waiting to be buried or cremated.

Then for the living, life goes on and pretty soon (Except for loved ones.) you are soon forgotten and the rest of the world
carries on. SO, for you; FOGEDDABOUTIT & get on with your life and think about more pleasant things.
 
I am a Christian and I absolutely believe in eternal life. My belief is based on faith. I would never try to "sell" somebody on my beliefs, but I gladly share them with others who are interested in knowing.
 
It's myth until it's fact, and only you yourself are going to know that. Otherwise it's faith. Either way, I don't think we're going to be disappointed. How could we be? Answer that one. I can't really worry about it, except to make a conscious decision about it, and then live the way I decide is the most positive possible for one's self.

And how much proof is there really that the world existed before your birth?
 
Everyone I have known who has died has stayed dead, or else they have snuck off somewhere that I don't know about.
 
I think it's a matter of what makes people comfortable. If you believe there is then for you there is. When someone that has been dead for a year and can prove beyond any doubt they lived before, that would convince me. Until then dead is dead.
 
As I have said before, I am a spiritual being having a human experience. The body is a shell that dies but the soul lives on. I am looking forward to greeting my loved ones that have gone before me. I am not worried about dying as I have came close a few times and I am not afraid or scared when it is my time. Just my personal belief.
 
Olivia, I think it's because it is definitely comforting to think that we will once again see our loved ones who have passed on. It's much more comforting than the cold understanding that this is all there
is, and when it's over, it's over.

Obviously, I don't believe that the fact that something is comforting makes it true.
 
Life after death.... myth or fact

great read, Pete, always

and good to see you back here

I penned some thoughts awhile back, in somewhat that regard

and

if anyone reading this suffers from insomnia, well, this may be a cure;


Y’ever try to think back to the beginning of things?
I’ve often tried.
A brain teaser is trying to fathom no beginning of time, or no end to what we know as the universe.
Try as I might, I just get blindly frustrated, and my mind finally goes AAAAARGH…SUH-NAP!
Then I resign myself to the fact that we are just ants, and ants have no idea why they are packing their dead neighbor Fred on their back,
but for the simple reason ‘Fred will make great insulation in my bottom floor condo’.
So as I am stuffing Fred into the corner of my ceiling, joining other deceased neighbors and bits of human bellybutton lint,
I accidently pierce my exoskeleton on a needle I’d packed in from the giant human house w-a-a-a-a-y across the yard, and I begin to seep.
Next day I can’t get up.
Friends gather.
So called friends begin picking at me, and soon I become condo insulation of which my place, which I’d worked so hard on, becomes Fred’s son’s abode.


But I’m not talkin’ about the beginning of time.
Just trying to think back on when I formed my first conscience thoughts.

Where was I…oh, yeah, conscious beginnings.
OK, I got nuthin’.

Maybe it was that first time I discovered playing in the dirt was not so much fun when packin’ a load,
or that time I found out finger nail files and electrical outlets were not really made for each other.
Just can’t nail it down.

However, I have some vivid recollection as to the awakening of Larry.
Mr Winky, as Mom referred to him, became ‘Larry’ sometime in my early childhood.
It could have been that time we were changing at the city pool, when my cousin Johnny and I watched our penises talk to each other.
(shake shake), ‘Hey there (shake shake) got a match?’
‘Hahahahahaha’
(shake shake),’Hey baby, (shake shake) I’ll light yer fire.’
‘Hahahahahaha’

Or the boy’s room sword fights of 4th grade.

But around the fall of ’62 he became Lawrence of Arabia.

Wait a minute.
I’m getting ahead of myself.

The very beginning, before Larry could do more than hang his pathetic little fireman’s hat over the cold porcelain rim,
resting comfortably on his previous pee stain and adult pubic hair leavings, there were a few events that lead to Larry’s awakening.

I recall getting lost under Aunt Helen’s dress.
There was a party.
I was toddling around, mingling with people’s knees, when whoosh, there I was, in a calico tent, looking up.
Garters, snaps, thighs and other mysterious soft forms.
After Aunt Helen’s drink rattling shriek, I recall getting whisked up by Dad, and the brisk paced head bobbin’ scenery shakin’ trip to the play pen in the bedroom.
The whole scene was quite unnerving…..and intriguing.

Then that brief moment I’d wandered into my parent’s bedroom….and the stark lesson that all women would shriek at the drop of a hat….or garment.

Then the Jackie Gleason Show dancers.

Then Bessie Dodge.

Then me and Connie Ekbert in grampa’s tool shed.
The brilliant idea of touching butts together seemed mutual.
Not sure where things woulda gone from there, ‘cause while our hind ends were curiously attached, we heard grampa’s footsteps and got the hell outta there.

Yeah, it coulda been any or all of those events.

But my crotch began to take over every waking moment I had at about the same time the Miss Dickerson fantasies gave way to Sophia Loren,
and my dad’s Police Gazette stash took the place of the Wards catalogue.

Oh those dames in those magazines.
They were in trouble.
They were trouble.
Black rectangle bars covering their eyes, their obviously troubled sultry eyes.

And thank gawd. I’d hate to think they could see me starin’ at their boobs so long.

Greta, on page 27 of issue 351 was my main squeeze.
The barroom was dimly lit. Causing the shadows to plunge deep into her heaving cleavage.
She wanted outta there.
But couldn’t.
Those goddamn eye bars.
So there she was, undulating.
Bosoms poppin’ outta her blouse like two loaves of rising yeast bread.
‘I’m in trouble Gary.’
‘Take me away, you hot young boyman.’
‘Just take me, right here on the bar.’
‘Oh yes. YES. OH YES!’
‘Wait, don’t take me just yet, I heard the front door, your mom is home!’

’What?’

I nestle issue 351 back into my dad’s sock drawer, under his argyle dress socks, between aging issue 117 and the fresh 478 that contained the saga of WWII Pacific Island prison sluts.

‘Hey Mom. What’s for dinner?’

But wait.
I’m getting ahead of myself again.

End of excerpt (due to extremely graphic prose)

Anyway, my thoughts drifted around, considering wizened barroom utterings, but too busy enjoying myself to get serious with, well anything

Until

The birth of my firstborn

A tiny being…..in my care

Not terribly long after, I got serious
Talked to serious people
Some mystics
Some atheists

Some agnostics (I put myself there. Seemed comfortably numb)

Some Christians

Christianity became a feel good story for me, one to keep folks from killing each other

Until

I came in contact with a much learned studier of the Bible
He had the ability to reason
And the patience to put up with my snide remarks
We eventually got into the prophesies, mainly Daniel and The Revelation
There, it was plainly laid out for me

This…was meat for me

Something tangible

Irrefutable completion of prophecies, the foretelling of events coming to fruition centuries after

Huh

God is real

There is life after death

And, if I don’t change my ways, I won’t be part of it

Not because He hates me

But, because I won’t be happy in that world

And here I am
In limbo
Choices
Decisions
Put off

He is, however, working on this ol’ fool

…and it breaks my heart
 
Olivia, I think it's because it is definitely comforting to think that we will once again see our loved ones who have passed on. It's much more comforting than the cold understanding that this is all there
is, and when it's over, it's over.

Obviously, I don't believe that the fact that something is comforting makes it true.

C.S. Lewis is a well-known Christian Apologist. After his wife died he wrote "A Grief Observed" where he describes how even with believe in life after death and that his wife still does exist, he questions how is that comforting? He wants his wife the way she was and how he knows her, not the way she is now and how it might be. And he even goes to question does she actually really exist. And he questions God and his faith. Eventually, he comes to terms with his loss and comes to feel her there with him at times. You could say they live on in our hearts, and what is wrong with that?

The thing is that there's that really unthinking opinion that life after death can only be great so therefore, comforting. That's really not thinking much. If there is life after death, why assume that it's only going to be terrific? Life after death can mean a lot of things. You could be reborn in hell on earth., You could be born terribly disabled or rejected or subject to starvation and and cruelty in this life the way it is for so many people on earth now.

For those who want to be back with their passed loved ones who were really good and religious, and you are not, then why do you think you'll be with them. I read a book about such a daughter who had a religious mother that passed away, and she turned a leaf so that she could be with her mother again after she passed away. That's not comfort, that being scared to death enough to want to change for her mother, not because that was her real belief.

And then there are those stories about people who supposedly died and found themselves in a hellish situation.

What really bothers me is when someone says that they don't believe in life after death because a dead person didn't get up and walk around. I've heard that argument many times. It doesn't even make sense and is really just making fun of people.

For myself, I think it's possible, but I don't know. And I think it's even safer to just stop existing. And how boring is existing for eternity anyway?
 
My daddy was not a church going man but he was a man of faith and once said that there were no atheists in fox holes. He said it was crazy how professed atheists he served with started asking God to help them when he was in a fox hole with them. I still remember waking up hearing him fight battles in the war. As a child I did not understand as back then PTSD was not a name we knew. My mother would be terrified sleeping with him. He would not talk about the war but as we looked at his pictures sometimes he would tell a funny story about some of the men but never anything else.
 


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