Mainland Europe is Burning

Aneeda72 said:
TB is still an issue
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I know. I was exposed to it when I was in England with my husband for the Air Force. There are a whole lot of drugs I can't take because of it and I have to have chest x-rays every two years to see if it's flared up. I just mean it's not the huge problem in America that it once was.
 

chic said:
I remember my dad had to fight a war eighty years ago in this same area of the world over a very similar issue. If the citizens of those countries protest hard enough maybe those dark days of our history will never be revisited.
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Hardly the same issue. You wrote that he had to fight a war, Was he conscripted?

France had been invaded by a hostile force, as had half of western Europe and a good deal of the eastern section. People were being rounded up and sent to work camps and worse.
Jews were forced to wear a yellow star and the country's treasures were being plundered.

After the war Europe suffered famine and plague. US troops in Italy lined up people, including young women, and sprayed their pubes and armpits with DDT to control parasites. You cannot compare the privations of war with measures to control Covid 19. They are just not in the same league at all.
 
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Aneeda72 said:
TB is still an issue
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Not in Australia. I was vaccinated against TB as a child when it was prevalent. An intensive campaign of mobile X ray vans and vaccination eliminated this disease in the community. We still get a few people coming in from overseas with TB but it is now curable with drugs. My daughter in law caught it in Nepal but is fine now. God bless the pandemic experts and the scientists doing the lab work.

Vaccination can protect whole countries if widely taken up but in the third world it will continue to exist unless the rich nations help these countries to vaccinate their people too. PNG to the north of Australia has a very low rate of vaccination. They need our assistance and unless we give it, Covid will remain a threat to our population for years in the future.
 

Alice November said:
Yes there are so many problems here in Europe. I live in Northwest France and not even a few days go by where there are not demonstrations or people in a parade with placards with words of disagreement with the latest mandates.

Its not as easy to get a vaccination as I would have liked. I understand back in the USA there have been real outreach programs for seniors and free vax. They canceled free vax in the summer in Fr. Although we do have one of the highest vax rates, still the Covid increases.

Most demonstrations are about Liberté, in the sense that french people are very heated up when any freedoms are removed. Being told to do anything by government seems to send them into rebellion, sometimes burning cars. Thankfully we rented a garage for the vehicle, so at least it isn't on the street to be kicked in or have th mirrors torn off. I exagerate a bit but still it can get to me at times.

As for Macron, he does well, he can't insist too much on anything or it would be Civil War.

I could go on but its getting long. 💤
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In the U.S., the jabs are not FREE. The tax payers are being charged for it all, regardless of whether or not we are supportive of it. The U.S. is definately no longer a representative republic. Very sad.
 
TooMuchMuktuk said:
In the U.S., the jabs are not FREE. The tax payers are being charged for it all, regardless of whether or not we are supportive of it. The U.S. is definately no longer a representative republic. Very sad.
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The USofA has not been a representative republic for many many decades, if ever.

The jabs are free to those getting jabbed-if you have insurance it is billed, if you don’t, you don’t pay which means it is free to you. The insurance companies can afford to pay, besides, they probably own stock in the vaccine companies. 😂😂😂

Edited: we are actually a constitutional federal republic @TooMuchMuktuk. However, when we chose to elect representatives to vote for us we gave up our power as individuals, a huge mistake. I have no ideal what we are now or what we are evolving into but the times they are a changing. 😏. Probably for the worst
 
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Della said:
Why do you think that? We used to have mandatory testing for TB and people who tested positive and couldn't be safely quarantined at home were forced to enter sanatoriums. Children weren't allowed to start school unless they had, had certain shots when I was in school and when my son was in school. I don't know how it is now, but I'm glad we no longer have to deal with TB, small pox, typhoid fever etc. Our freedom didn't go away because of those mandatory vaccinations, we just all lived in a healthier place and our average life expectancy went up.
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I think that because it is likely true. It is certainly true for me. I’m vaccinated, but I don’t think it should be mandatory. Please keep in mind that the death rate for this disease is less than one percent. Not a death sentence. Hospitalization rate less than 5 percent. And you demand a vaccine for that?

In this day and age, I see increasing government over-reach, worming it’s way into every aspect of our lives. And the vaccines you mentioned were tested over years. And guess what? They were protested as well. My biggest gripe is how the unvaccinated are being villainized and ostracized and deprived of their employment. And no surprise, the matter of personal health has been politicized to the extreme.
 
Alice November said:
Yes there are so many problems here in Europe. I live in Northwest France and not even a few days go by where there are not demonstrations or people in a parade with placards with words of disagreement with the latest mandates.

Its not as easy to get a vaccination as I would have liked. I understand back in the USA there have been real outreach programs for seniors and free vax. They canceled free vax in the summer in Fr. Although we do have one of the highest vax rates, still the Covid increases.

Most demonstrations are about Liberté, in the sense that french people are very heated up when any freedoms are removed. Being told to do anything by government seems to send them into rebellion, sometimes burning cars. Thankfully we rented a garage for the vehicle, so at least it isn't on the street to be kicked in or have th mirrors torn off. I exagerate a bit but still it can get to me at times.

As for Macron, he does well, he can't insist too much on anything or it would be Civil War.

I could go on but its getting long. 💤
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Bonjour Alice! and welcome! I agree with your comment about Macron.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Set you free from what?

Why aren’t you joining protests? I am sure you could find one somewhere. You are as free to die from Covid as the rest of us are. thousands of unmasked people, expressing their freedom, and gathering together in tight quarters breathing each other’s air into each others faces.

Feel FREE to join them. Bet you don’t. After all what could possibly go? 😂😂😂
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I did join a peaceful demonstration the other day on my way home from work. It was in front of a government building in the heart of suburbia of all places but this shows how intensely people are opposed to vaccine mandates. What's happening in Austria has awakened a lot of people obviously.
 
Those who saw the article I posted on another Covid thread know that here in Britain there is an acceptance that this is something we just have to live with.
And if the press keep pushing they will always get the answer they want and present it as a scary headline.
Not surprised to see riots in Europe.l have always thought such protests were inevitable.
And it needs the people to rise up if their freedoms are not to be permanently removed.
The fact remains Covid has a better than 99% recovery rate and no one seems remotely worried about all the other viruses, bacteria and diseases we take our chances with on a daily basis.Which,if Governments took the same approach as they do with Covid,would lead to permanent lockdown and compulsory pre-emptive treatment.
Earlier in the year the Welsh Health Minister was informing us that in Wales we would have lockdowns to combat flu.Such things have been considered.
I openly admit the only reason I got vaccinated-and will have my booster jab next week-is because I feared being banned from things if I didn’t.
And so I have to carry my Covid Pass around with me to prove my vaccination status.Something I object too...but the alternative is not to do the things I enjoy or take a test that is not always accurate and could lead to me having to isolate.
I urge everyone to study previous Pandemics and compare how they were handled in relation to this one.It might lead you to the conclusion that the World got the handling of this one horribly wrong.
And they do have a strange habit of turning up every century or so.It is almost as if they are nature’s population control.
 
Alice November said:
Yes there are so many problems here in Europe. I live in Northwest France and not even a few days go by where there are not demonstrations or people in a parade with placards with words of disagreement with the latest mandates.

Its not as easy to get a vaccination as I would have liked. I understand back in the USA there have been real outreach programs for seniors and free vax. They canceled free vax in the summer in Fr. Although we do have one of the highest vax rates, still the Covid increases.

Most demonstrations are about Liberté, in the sense that french people are very heated up when any freedoms are removed. Being told to do anything by government seems to send them into rebellion, sometimes burning cars. Thankfully we rented a garage for the vehicle, so at least it isn't on the street to be kicked in or have th mirrors torn off. I exagerate a bit but still it can get to me at times.

As for Macron, he does well, he can't insist too much on anything or it would be Civil War.

I could go on but its getting long. 💤
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Yes, I was in France when the Yellow Vest movement was protesting about economic hardship. It was December 2019. We almost didn't get out of the country because of transportation strikes. This seems to be a constant occurrence in France. Don't get me wrong, I love France and was in Cannes at the time so I could have gladly stayed a big longer.

When we visited Greece in September, students were protesting over police involvement. On previous occasions, rocks had been thrown through store windows, graffiti was painted on the walls and there were constant protests due to economic belt-tightening.

We think we have it bad in the US, but in comparison it really isn't that different. I completely understand where you are coming from.
 
Furryanimal said:
Those who saw the article I posted on another Covid thread know that here in Britain there is an acceptance that this is something we just have to live with.
And if the press keep pushing they will always get the answer they want and present it as a scary headline.
Not surprised to see riots in Europe.l have always thought such protests were inevitable.
And it needs the people to rise up if their freedoms are not to be permanently removed.
The fact remains Covid has a better than 99% recovery rate and no one seems remotely worried about all the other viruses, bacteria and diseases we take our chances with on a daily basis.Which,if Governments took the same approach as they do with Covid,would lead to permanent lockdown and compulsory pre-emptive treatment.
Earlier in the year the Welsh Health Minister was informing us that in Wales we would have lockdowns to combat flu.Such things have been considered.
I openly admit the only reason I got vaccinated-and will have my booster jab next week-is because I feared being banned from things if I didn’t.
And so I have to carry my Covid Pass around with me to prove my vaccination status.Something I object too...but the alternative is not to do the things I enjoy or take a test that is not always accurate and could lead to me having to isolate.
I urge everyone to study previous Pandemics and compare how they were handled in relation to this one.It might lead you to the conclusion that the World got the handling of this one horribly wrong.
And they do have a strange habit of turning up every century or so.It is almost as if they are nature’s population control.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly!
 
We have choices: 1. Follow the "Chairman" and his comrades or 2. Rebel against the system. Both seem like extremes to me. Being a bit of a "lone wolf" I just followed my gut feeling and got the 2 jabs and will get the booster on December 24th. I figured it's the right thing to do for me. I think those sheep that follow the leaders blindly are just as bad as the rioters because they too are sheep following leaders who advocate violence. Best to think for yourself and do the right thing. I know I did and I did it without anyone forcing me.
 
Becky1951 said:
"Best to think for yourself and do the right thing"

Absolutely! And if not being vaccinated is what you think is right for you then being forced is wrong.
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It's so deeply personal and should be private. This is a decision that should be made between an individual and their physician. The government should have no say in this at all. When we begin to view healthy people as contagion and treat them as such, this opens a whole new and dangerous reality for people. No wonder Europe is on fire.
 

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