Male and Female

Another thing about this thread, it can separate the "open minded" folks, that really don't care and those that are only partially-to-not at all "open minded" and really dislike it.

Wife and I have a major tendency to be "not" open minded. To much weird stuff goes on today.
 
Gaer said:
Thank you Marciks, and Fast Trax for explaining that.
I agree with Pappy on this!
I think all this ( I'm trying to think of a nice word for crap) is a desire deviation for what is considered normal on the Earth.
Yes, I'm probably considered old fashioned for still believing there are only two sexual genders.
I think this might even be dangerous for impressionable children to experiment with crossdressing, transgender identities.
Like Pappy says, teach the children more history of our nation, spelling, math, literature; knowledge to lift and enhance their quality of thought and reach their full potential. This, IMO, does the opposite!
And, like Packer John said, "This is silly and rather stupid."
Thank you all for answering my question, but now I'm even more strongly against it. I think it perpetuates deviant behavior.
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There is nothing silly or stupid about twelve year old children committing suicide because they are forced to be something they firmly believe they are not. This is the brutal reality behind a refusal to deal with the situation in a kind and loving manner. I pray that their better angels teach those in authority a better way, I have been to far too many funerals over the years. Fortunately, Canada now makes accommodations for such differences.
 

This is a quote from the program that will be taught - "However, gender isn't about someone's anatomy, it is about who they know them self to be. "

The genders being taught are as follows -
  • Male: born with male parts, thinks they are male
  • Female: born with female parts, thinks they are female
  • Transgender: Those who cross over or challenge common gender roles but don't necessarily get surgery.
  • Transsexual: Typically identifies as the opposite gender, and usually gets surgery to realign their outward gender with what they believe they are.
  • Two-spirited: Native American catch-all term for those who don't fulfill typical gender roles
  • Intersex: Someone who is of ambigous gender. Medically, this involves mixing of male and female genetalia as well as chromosomal combinations beyond simple XY or XX.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Another thing about this thread, it can separate the "open minded" folks, that really don't care and those that are only partially-to-not at all "open minded" and really dislike it.

Wife and I have a major tendency to be "not" open minded. To much weird stuff goes on today.
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I think of it more as being informed and uninformed. If you are informed and disagree that's one thing but if you disagree without being informed you have formed your opinion in ignorance as opposed to with knowledge.
 
asp3 said:
I think of it more as being informed and uninformed. If you are informed and disagree that's one thing but if you disagree without being informed you have formed your opinion in ignorance as opposed to with knowledge.
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Well, there must be a whole lot of what you call "ignorant" folks out there! Like us, they don't care about "being informed", they just don't like it!
 
ClassicRockr said:
Well, there must be a whole lot of what you call "ignorant" folks out there! Like us, they don't care about "being informed", they just don't like it!
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ClassicRockr said:
Unfortunately, welcome to the New Age! I don't like it either, but we sure can't change it.

Actually, this thread is why we like to, when we can, stick around farm/ranch people. Don't have to think about "what sex is that person?" at a livestock auction!
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Just so you don't go off the deep end and find yourself "behind the barn" at the wrong rodeo.

International Gay Rodeo Association - Wikipedia
 
Lewkat said:
What the teachers are teaching is false. Even with surgical changes, there, in reality, are two genders only. You are male or female. Don't believe me? I'll invite anyone into a delivery room and prove it to you.
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Medically speaking a baby can be born with both *******ia. I suppose, medically speaking, there are 3 genders, although the third is rare. It used to be that parents were encouraged to raise the child as a girl and the excess parts were surgically removed. I think now, itā€™s better to wait, and see which way the child is orientated.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Medically speaking a baby can be born with both *******ia. I suppose, medically speaking, there are 3 genders, although the third is rare. It used to be that parents were encouraged to raise the child as a girl and the excess parts were surgically removed. I think now, itā€™s better to wait, and see which way the child is orientated.
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Another thing that can happen is that the child can be born with *******ia that does not match it's genetic gender. There's more about this in the Scientific American article I posted.
 
I am completely open minded, as are my children. It is not about who you love, itā€™s about the fact that you are loved.

My whole life my mother blamed me for being kidnapped and raped, ā€œI must have flirted with the manā€. I was 7. I did not know what the word flirt meant. In the not so old days, women, who were raped, were blamed, in court, because their clothing enticed a man to commit the act. Men who were raped never came forward.(A lot still donā€™t.)

A closed judgmental mind, IMO, allows horrific crimes to be committed, often in the name of God. Yet, we can not read Godā€˜s mind and the Bible says, in many ways, in many places JUDGE NOT LESS YOU BE JUDGED.

Children need to be taught the differences in sexual orientation so they can avoid a closed mind; and understand that when they see two people kissing itā€™s because they love each other. Gender has nothing to do with love. IMO.
 
Yes, when this happens, and it is so rare as to be almost non existent, the gonads are what determine the gender of the baby. If there are ovaries it is a female, if there are testes, it is a male. Androgynous types usually have an impaired chromosome so that one can look like either gender on the surface. Princess Stephanie of Monaco is an example.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I am completely open minded, as are my children. It is not about who you love, itā€™s about the fact that you are loved.

My whole life my mother blamed me for being kidnapped and raped, ā€œI must have flirted with the manā€. I was 7. I did not know what the word flirt meant. In the not so old days, women, who were raped, were blamed, in court, because their clothing enticed a man to commit the act. Men who were raped never came forward.(A lot still donā€™t.)

A closed judgmental mind, IMO, allows horrific crimes to be committed, often in the name of God. Yet, we can not read Godā€˜s mind and the Bible says, in many ways, in many places JUDGE NOT LESS YOU BE JUDGED.

Children need to be taught the differences in sexual orientation so they can avoid a closed mind; and understand that when they see two people kissing itā€™s because they love each other. Gender has nothing to do with love. IMO.
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As I read your post I felt a range or emotions from agreement to outrage to sadness, to agreement, to love.

Your closing sentence says it all, "Gender has nothing to do with love."
 
I don't think this thread was referring to one's preference as to whom they are in love with. This isn't about gays, it is about the number of genders people supposedly want to define themselves as. Fine, but, don't teach kids that there are several genders. Not a fact at all. 1 per individual, male or female. Genetics occasionally has to determine which is which, but again there are only 2 kinds.
Aneeda72 said:
I am completely open minded, as are my children. It is not about who you love, itā€™s about the fact that you are loved.

My whole life my mother blamed me for being kidnapped and raped, ā€œI must have flirted with the manā€. I was 7. I did not know what the word flirt meant. In the not so old days, women, who were raped, were blamed, in court, because their clothing enticed a man to commit the act. Men who were raped never came forward.(A lot still donā€™t.)

A closed judgmental mind, IMO, allows horrific crimes to be committed, often in the name of God. Yet, we can not read Godā€˜s mind and the Bible says, in many ways, in many places JUDGE NOT LESS YOU BE JUDGED.

Children need to be taught the differences in sexual orientation so they can avoid a closed mind; and understand that when they see two people kissing itā€™s because they love each other. Gender has nothing to do with love. IMO.
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That is horrible, Aneeda. Good lord, you were only 7, how in heaven's name could your mother come to such a conclusion. Mine would have castrated the S.O.B. and then called the cops. So very sorry this happened to you. What a trauma.
 
MarciKS said:
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans

The Six Most Common Karyotypes

  • X ā€“ Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turnerā€™s )
  • XX ā€“ Most common form of female
  • XXY ā€“ Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
  • XY ā€“ Most common form of male
  • XYY ā€“ Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
  • XXXY ā€“ Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female. Many times, these people are unaware of their true sex. Itā€™s interesting to note that everyone assumes that they, personally, are XY or XX. One study in Great Britain showed that 97 out of 100 people who were XYY had no idea. They thought they were a traditional male and had few signs otherwise.


I think what they're doing is trying to tell the kids if they have a man's body but feel like a woman that they are a different sex. Based on these karyotypes. I really don't think these kids need to know that crap. I think this is what's leading to all these people getting sex changes. If God had intended Bruce Jenner to be a woman I would think he would've made him into one in the beginning.
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Again, if one is born with testes, it is a male and if ovaries, it is female. To assign different genders is wrong. Chromosomes are flawed and one appear androgynous.
 
Lewkat said:
I don't think this thread was referring to one's preference as to whom they are in love with. This isn't about gays, it is about the number of genders people supposedly want to define themselves as. Fine, but, don't teach kids that there are several genders. Not a fact at all. 1 per individual, male or female. Genetics occasionally has to determine which is which, but again there are only 2 kinds.

That is horrible, Aneeda. Good lord, you were only 7, how in heaven's name could your mother come to such a conclusion. Mine would have castrated the S.O.B. and then called the cops. So very sorry this happened to you. What a trauma.
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Thanks. Even though my mother noticed I was gone, she never looked for me. When I didnā€™t appear for dinner, my dad was beyond angry thinking I was out playing. He found me locked in a rabbit skinning shed owned by the local handman. Police were not called. I was not taken to the doctor.
 
To be honest, I don't understand much about the variations of the sex chromosome. I doubt many people do. But that is science. Some think all you have to do is look between the legs to determine what gender a person is. It's not that simple. What do you do when you look and there's both. So what is it, male or female? Everybody says they know. It is a complicated process involving genes and hormones. And there aren't always easy answers. As far as karyotypes , if anybody can see them in a microscope, it doesn't matter if we never heard about them, in school, 40 years ago; they exist. Teaching the science of chromosome research in school is where its supposed to be taught. Plus, some of the terms are confusing- gender vs sex. We have a lot of bugaboos about sex, and gender, And I would have to say that most of my generation are not well informed about sexual matters. My 11 year old classmate seemed to know all the facts.
 
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