Many people are not exactly distraught over Queen Elizabeth’s death.

Grampa Don said:
It's also true that many justified their actions as bringing civilization to these "primitive peoples." Kipling's "The white man's burden"
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You can't argue that invading countries did bring civilization to parts of the world that wouldn't have advanced much if not for being conquered by an advanced civilization. Throughout history, along with oppression and death, conquering nations brought industry, trade, and organization to the places they conquered. And in more recent history, they also brought medical advancements, political organization, and even civil rights to parts of the world where those things didn't exist.

Way back in the time of swords and longboats, no one bothered to justify invading and conquering; it's just what you did if you wanted more real estate. And I'm not justifying it either - I highly doubt the motto "Making the World a Better Place" was carved onto the sides of invader's boats, or that they wore MWBP hats while slaughtering villagers - I'm just pointing out a common residual effect.

Justifying an invasion is a fairly modern thing.
 
@Murrmurr You're right, colonization was sometimes a mixed bag. Places like Hong Kong would not have been as prosperous without the British setting up a trading post there. And, if the British hadn't done it, other countries would have. It was a victory of superior technology.

I'm reminded of the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian.
 

deaver said:
well to begin with you need to research the british monarchy and learn what it really is....you will be suprised!!
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I doubt many Canadians would be surprised. Our own history is chequered, as the residential school burial sites clearly indicate. Hopefully, humanity learns from its mistakes without tossing out all that is good. I have flinched at the anti Indigenous racism I have heard right here on this forum. Our beloved Queen is dead, and Canada mourns. Only a Creator is perfect.
 
According to all knowing GOOGLE:

How did colonization affect countries?



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Colonialism's impacts include environmental degradation, the spread of disease, economic instability, ethnic rivalries, and human rights violations—issues that can long outlast one group's colonial rule.
 
It's laughable and rather silly that whenever someone dies, the stories come out how strange or evil those people were. I remember when country singer, Buck Owens died. Shortly after there were stories of how abusive Buck to his wife. Apparently, he tried to hit his wife with a golf club? Then when Liberace and Rock Hudson died we found out that both of them prefered "boys" to girls. What a "shocker" for fans of Rock Hudson, the handsome man from Hollywood and the heart trob of many a lady.

Stop blaming the poor Queenie as having ruled an "empire of evil." Remember, the Belgians, the Germans, the Italians and even Spain and Portugal had empires. If you care to study history, this period of time was called the "Age of Empires."

You can't change history but you certainly can learn from it.
 
Dissolution of the monarchy was the term I had read. Not abolition though it means the same thing pretty much. My error.
 
The thing that makes me uncomfortable is that, with all the attention and riches bestowed on royalty, can it be described as idol worship?
Britannia's definition of idolatry includes "Gross or overt idolatry consisting of explicit acts of reverence addressed to a person or object, the Sun, the King, an animal, a statue."

But we have that here too with Hollywood stars, Rock Stars, Sports stars, Fashion industry, etc...all overpaid, all enjoying the attention and riches. But who's to say that these idols aren't giving a lot of their riches away and just not boasting about it? Who can judge because many of us have "things" that take up too much of our attention.
 
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The queen came as the empire/UK was unloading territory.

History is not clean and when analyzed using current day standards, knowledge and experience of course in hind sight how dare those historical figures make such decisions.

As a person she lived about a century doing a job for 3/4 of century with more scrutiny and pressure daily than most could not handle in a life time. I don't care about royalty and one doesn't even have to praise her but does she really need to be smeared with things she isn't responsible for other than some problem children.
 
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I guess some people BLAME the Queen and/or the Monarchy for the colonization of poor countries. Looking at the history of Apartheid though gives us a glimpse of how terrible conditions got under British rule. It is not their fault but throughout our history conquering invaders have taken over countries and slaughtered the indigenous people. The feudal system should be scrapped now. No more symbolic rulers, and no more empires.
 
Lara said:
I don't understand why Camilla is disliked more than Charles by many. They both cheated behind Diana's back and the family unit equally.
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It is part of the 'Eve Complex' where the woman in most acts is at fault for any wrongdoing based on her sexuality & her seductive, not to be trusted, ways.

As part of our culture for thousands of years I think it's become a hard habit to break. 🙂
 
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I m sorry to see the Queen gone, because I can't stand ole Charlie since I once saw him admit that he was tired of waiting to be king. So seems to me he was wishing his mother dead!
 
That Readers Digest story is just quoting the Andrew Morton book which was entirely Diana's words telling her side of the story. At the time that's all anyone heard because Charles was hardly in a position to go on TV like she did and have a tit for tat fight. The royals just don't air their dirty laundry in public.

Diana cheated on Charles first and he just turned to his long time best friend for comfort. Diana is the one who had endless affairs, some with married men, and was such a pain in the palace she fired over forty servants.
https://www.newsweek.com/princess-d...rry-mannakee-royal-protection-officer-1639903
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9703/05/britain.diana/
 

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