Maybe I'm just old....

Been There said:
What’s the use of arguing about this transgender stuff? You will never convince people this is or isn’t normal behavior. So, everyone should just believe what they want and if you don’t like it, devoid yourself of it.
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I agree. People should just be good and decent people, stop trying to be special, just be what you are.
Protect children and the elderly. Be a good citizen. Don't litter. Be proud but humble.
Live your best life without interfering with other's lives. Respect each other.
 

To me ... this is simply a woman in a lesbian relationship who wants to dress up and behave like a man.

She is still a Female and no doubt received a sum of money from the magazine.

I know two lesbian couples and they are totally disgusted with this display and another one that hit the news recently.
 
Most mistakenly express dislike for "judgmental comments" when most are merely expressing their 'revulsion'. Which is a human feeling or dislike...not a judgement!
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Most mistakenly express dislike for "judgmental comments" when most are merely expressing their 'revulsion'. Which is a human feeling or dislike...not a judgement!
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Too many busybodies think its their right to tell you what to think and how you need to feel, thus doing the very same thing they accuse you of doing. Yet they feel virtuous for doing so.
 
Sassycakes said:
The only thing that concerns me about this is about the child growing up under these circumstances.
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Hi, Sassycakes.

I know 2 same-sex couples who have kids. I know that's a small sample, but all the kids are doing great. One of the couples has a 19yr-old son who graduated high-school with honors last year and earned a college scholarship. He's doing well in college and his parents are extremely proud of him. He's a really good kid, has a lot of friends, and a solid plan for his future.

The other couple has a 5yr-old adopted son and a 12-yr old daughter from the "husband's" previous marriage. They're happy, perfectly normal kids. The 5yr-old is all excited about starting kindergarten this fall, and the 12yr-old is gearing up for junior high. She's a close friend of my granddaughter, Ariel, who just turned 13. They met when they were in 2nd grade, and even though school is still a few months away, Ariel is helping the girl pick out her jr.high wardrobe.

Both couples are really good parents.
 
To some of us old folks, these things are hard to accept. It isn't the way we were raised. But, my granddaughter tells me that to her generation it's no big deal. In the mid 70's, I went back to college to take some evening classes. There was a poster for a gay men's club. That would have been unthinkable 15 years earlier.

"In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked at as something shocking, but heaven knows, now anything goes."
 
I grew up with a gay brother and his several gay friends. I also have a gay uncle. My husband's younger brother was gay as well. I have enjoyed knowing MOST of these people, and spent time with a few others I met over the years. One of my favorite dance partners was a gay man. That said, I also had a friend who transitioned. He was not happy as a man and father. Later, he was not happy as a woman either and killed himself. The several I have met who transitioned or wanted to ALL had mental issues that needed to be addressed and changing sex was never going to fix that. The BEST part of all these people is that none of them were militant in your face types spreading their hate on anyone who did not completely agree with them.
 
oldaunt said:
I grew up with a gay brother and his several gay friends. I also have a gay uncle. My husband's younger brother was gay as well. I have enjoyed knowing MOST of these people, and spent time with a few others I met over the years. One of my favorite dance partners was a gay man. That said, I also had a friend who transitioned. He was not happy as a man and father. Later, he was not happy as a woman either and killed himself. The several I have met who transitioned or wanted to ALL had mental issues that needed to be addressed and changing sex was never going to fix that. The BEST part of all these people is that none of them were militant in your face types spreading their hate on anyone who did not completely agree with them.
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Well, MY impressions were from several experiences where they WERE in my face!
I won't tell of them here because they are TOO GROSS to relate!
Horrible! Horrible memories! Ugh!
 
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Murrmurr said:
Hi, Sassycakes.

I know 2 same-sex couples who have kids. I know that's a small sample, but all the kids are doing great. One of the couples has a 19yr-old son who graduated high-school with honors last year and earned a college scholarship. He's doing well in college and his parents are extremely proud of him. He's a really good kid, has a lot of friends, and a solid plan for his future.

The other couple has a 5yr-old adopted son and a 12-yr old daughter from the "husband's" previous marriage. They're happy, perfectly normal kids. The 5yr-old is all excited about starting kindergarten this fall, and the 12yr-old is gearing up for junior high. She's a close friend of my granddaughter, Ariel, who just turned 13. They met when they were in 2nd grade, and even though school is still a few months away, Ariel is helping the girl pick out her jr.high wardrobe.

Both couples are really good parents.
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My Niece is gay and she married the love of her life, so I have no problem with people who are gay. It just makes me wonder what the baby will go through growing up. My niece has 4 children that the woman she is married to gave birth when she was in a marriage before she accepted being gay.
 
Gaer said:
Well, MY impressions were from several experiences where they WERE in my face!
I won't tell of them here because they are TOO GROSS to relate!
Horrible! Horrible memories! Ugh!
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In a conversation with a particularly flamboyant gay guy, I said something like "I'm sick to death of all this PRIDE crap in my face. I'm not out parading my heterosexuality everywhere I go."

And he said, "Well there's nothing special about your heterosexuality, Darling. And looking closer, there's nothing special about you, either. But I could be wrong...turn around." :ROFLMAO:
 
Murrmurr said:
Hi, Sassycakes.

I know 2 same-sex couples who have kids. I know that's a small sample, but all the kids are doing great. One of the couples has a 19yr-old son who graduated high-school with honors last year and earned a college scholarship. He's doing well in college and his parents are extremely proud of him. He's a really good kid, has a lot of friends, and a solid plan for his future.

The other couple has a 5yr-old adopted son and a 12-yr old daughter from the "husband's" previous marriage. They're happy, perfectly normal kids. The 5yr-old is all excited about starting kindergarten this fall, and the 12yr-old is gearing up for junior high. She's a close friend of my granddaughter, Ariel, who just turned 13. They met when they were in 2nd grade, and even though school is still a few months away, Ariel is helping the girl pick out her jr.high wardrobe.

Both couples are really good parents.
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I know a gay couple in their 30s who adopted 2 children, and they are the most doting parents anyone could want. They moved out of our idyllic neighborhood (which is mostly older) to access better schools for their kids. I also know a gay couple who are in there 60s and 70s. They came out really late. They were both married and have children and grandchildren. They just left Dallas for San Antonio to be close to them. I actually can't imagine a better household to grow up in than with two gay fathers, two gay mothers or trans parents. They would be the most nurtured, educated and accepting kids ever.
 
seadoug said:
I know a gay couple in their 30s who adopted 2 children, and they are the most doting parents anyone could want. They moved out of our idyllic neighborhood (which is mostly older) to access better schools for their kids. I also know a gay couple who are in there 60s and 70s. They came out really late. They were both married and have children and grandchildren. They just left Dallas for San Antonio to be close to them. I actually can't imagine a better household to grow up in than with two gay fathers, two gay mothers or trans parents. They would be the most nurtured, educated and accepting kids ever.
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There's no shortage of nurturing in the 2 families I know, that's for sure.

And tbh, I think the fear of being perceived as failures at parenting because they are gay is probably one of the reasons they do everything they can to succeed at teaching their kids to be good, healthy, kind people, and giving them every advantage in life that they possibly can.
 
Gaer said:
@Murrmurr, I wanted to respond but I erased it.
It's too sickening!
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This guy was just being funny, though, hon. And he's a friend of mine. I wouldn't have griped to him like that if he wasn't.

But I have seen the kind of thing I assume you were thinking of, and yes, there are those who take things way, way too far. Purposely. For the shock value, for the attention, for theatrics, and sometimes because they are sick.
 
Jeepers creepers...there is such a lot more going on in the world without people taking umbrage at a picture of a "man" with a big belly. I'm sure most of us have seen men with big beer bellies and didn't bat an eyelid.
Logan, is still a woman ... the picture might be confronting to those still stuck in a time warp...we've moved on people.
I bet that child will be doted upon, so that's a good thing surely!
Logan and partner must b laughing all the way to the bank :D
 
@Murrmurr:

Ok. Here goes:
My brother who had stage four Cancer wanted so badly to take me to lunch. We had to wait for a table outside on a bench.
Next to us was a sweet old, old, old couple. He was dressed in a suit with a tie and she in a lovely dress with a corsage.
It might have been a special occasion for them. They were so beautiful and were holding hands.
About 50 young, gays appeared and put on a show in front of us, like a lap dance. Squealing, giggling, waving their shirts in the air.
Rubbing and touching each other, passionate kissing, lisping, bumping each other. It was like watching an orgy.
One landed in my brother's lap and "grinded" and said, "OOOH! My Lover is too anxious!" He kissed my brother's cheek.
and was hugging him. I got up to kick him off and my brother grabbed my arm and whispered, "No Don't!"
He was too weak to fight this "gay" off. He was very ill. He was ashamed he could fight no more.
Another sat down by the elderly woman and stuck out his tongue, with one long lick from her neck to her forehead,
her eyes filled with tears. I saw tears running down her cheeks. Again, I got up to knock him off her and my brother
said, "please don't". Her husband was too old to do anything but look down and clasp her hand tight.
It was sickening! This I will never forget.
This turned out to be the last meal I ever had with my brother and the most horrible memory is of these terrible people.

And they are proud of what they do? Angels are watching. Are they proud to show what they do, to the angels and to God?
 
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Gaer said:
Ok. Here goes:
My brother who had stage four Cancer wanted so badly to take me to lunch. We had to wait for a table outside on a bench.
Next to us was a sweet old, old, old couple. He was dressed in a suit with a tie and she in a lovely dress with a corsage.
It might have been a special occasion for them. They were so beautiful and were holding hands.
About 50 young, gays appeared and put on a show in front of us, like a lap dance. Squealing, giggling, waving their shirts in the air.
Rubbing and touching each other, passionate kissing, lisping, bumping each other. It was like watching an orgy.
One landed in my brother's lap and "grinded" and said, "OOOH! My Lover is too anxious!" He kissed my brother's cheek.
and was hugging him. I got up to kick him off and my brother grabbed my arm and whispered, "No Don't!"
He was too weak to fight this "gay" off. He was very ill. He was ashamed he could fight no more.
Another sat down by the elderly woman and stuck out his tongue, with one long lick from her neck to her forehead,
her eyes filled with tears. I saw tears running down her cheeks. Again, I got up to knock him off her and my brother
said, "please don't". Her husband was too old to do anything but look down and clasp her hand tight.
It was sickening! This I will never forget.
This turned out to be the last meal I ever had with my brother and the most horrible memory is of these terrible people.

And they are proud of what they do? Angels are watching. Are they proud to show what they do to the angels and to God?
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I believe in live and let live, however this group crossed the line. :mad:
You showed great restraint, I would have stomped the crap out of them, likely ending up in jail.

I'm so sorry you and your brother and older couple had to experience that. 🤗
 
Gaer said:
@Murrmurr:

Ok. Here goes:
My brother who had stage four Cancer wanted so badly to take me to lunch. We had to wait for a table outside on a bench.
Next to us was a sweet old, old, old couple. He was dressed in a suit with a tie and she in a lovely dress with a corsage.
It might have been a special occasion for them. They were so beautiful and were holding hands.
About 50 young, gays appeared and put on a show in front of us, like a lap dance. Squealing, giggling, waving their shirts in the air.
Rubbing and touching each other, passionate kissing, lisping, bumping each other. It was like watching an orgy.
One landed in my brother's lap and "grinded" and said, "OOOH! My Lover is too anxious!" He kissed my brother's cheek.
and was hugging him. I got up to kick him off and my brother grabbed my arm and whispered, "No Don't!"
He was too weak to fight this "gay" off. He was very ill. He was ashamed he could fight no more.
Another sat down by the elderly woman and stuck out his tongue, with one long lick from her neck to her forehead,
her eyes filled with tears. I saw tears running down her cheeks. Again, I got up to knock him off her and my brother
said, "please don't". Her husband was too old to do anything but look down and clasp her hand tight.
It was sickening! This I will never forget.
This turned out to be the last meal I ever had with my brother and the most horrible memory is of these terrible people.

And they are proud of what they do? Angels are watching. Are they proud to show what they do, to the angels and to God?
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And there are just as many, if not more, straight people who act the same way. Shall we condemn all straights because many of them are obnoxious jerks?
 
Gaer said:
Ok. Here goes:
My brother who had stage four Cancer wanted so badly to take me to lunch. We had to wait for a table outside on a bench.
Next to us was a sweet old, old, old couple. He was dressed in a suit with a tie and she in a lovely dress with a corsage.
It might have been a special occasion for them. They were so beautiful and were holding hands.
About 50 young, gays appeared and put on a show in front of us, like a lap dance. Squealing, giggling, waving their shirts in the air.
Rubbing and touching each other, passionate kissing, lisping, bumping each other. It was like watching an orgy.
One landed in my brother's lap and "grinded" and said, "OOOH! My Lover is too anxious!" He kissed my brother's cheek.
and was hugging him. I got up to kick him off and my brother grabbed my arm and whispered, "No Don't!"
He was too weak to fight this "gay" off. He was very ill. He was ashamed he could fight no more.
Another sat down by the elderly woman and stuck out his tongue, with one long lick from her neck to her forehead,
her eyes filled with tears. I saw tears running down her cheeks. Again, I got up to knock him off her and my brother
said, "please don't". Her husband was too old to do anything but look down and clasp her hand tight.
It was sickening! This I will never forget.
This turned out to be the last meal I ever had with my brother and the most horrible memory is of these terrible people.

And they are proud of what they do? Angels are watching. Are they proud to show what they do to the angels and to God?
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That's horrible, Gaer. Those guys have an absolute lack of empathy and respect for other people, but that isn't because they're gay. I could tell a very similar story about some of the gang members in my old neighborhood in South Side.

I stopped two of them from shaking down an elderly man on my way to the gas station convenience store near my old apartment. They'd asked him for money and he said he didn't have any change, so they were spinning him around while going through all his pockets. There were half-a-dozen people within 20 feet, mostly pretending not to notice. A lady at one of the gas pumps was crying.

Don't let anyone stop you if that kind of thing ever happens again. All I had to say was "Get the f*** away from him!" while I kept walking straight toward them. They hesitated for a second, but they scattered. All bravado. Total BS.
 

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