Measles vaccination.

C'est Moi said:
Oh, well that's different. If it's "on the net," it definitely MUST be true. :rolleyes:
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Well, we're all here aren't we...or are we...are we just a figment of all that is going on.

And I don't believe everything on the net, I don't believe a LOT of much but a lot of what I do say is on the net from some of the 'experts'.....I question so much...and we'll never know the truth on all the damage done and want to go to autism area? I don't but have read enough to make me wonder.
 
So who is this Erin Elizabeth? She's Dr. Mercola's "better half". Supposedly won a Doctors Who Rock award whose website is another front to sell more products. https://doctorswhorock.com/products

The article doesn't make any sense. It's just a come-along to get attention so she/they can hawk "Health" products; a water machine for close to $10,000. another for over $6,000. and $80.00 for 60 effervescent magnesium tablets!

Also for sale are jewelry, hologram cards and other gimmicks.

Here are a few things for sale on that website-
https://trusii.com/?afmc=HEALTHNUTNEWS

"The statements on this site have not been evaluated by the FDA.
Our products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease"


Just because something is on the Internet, doesn't make it true.
 

RadishRose said:
So who is this Erin Elizabeth? She's Dr. Mercola's "better half". Supposedly won a Doctors Who Rock award whose website is another front to sell more products. https://doctorswhorock.com/products

The article doesn't make any sense. It's just a come-along to get attention so she/they can hawk "Health" products; a water machine for close to $10,000. another for over $6,000. and $80.00 for 60 effervescent magnesium tablets!

Also for sale are jewelry, hologram cards and other gimmicks.

Here are a few things for sale on that website-
https://trusii.com/?afmc=HEALTHNUTNEWS

"The statements on this site have not been evaluated by the FDA.
Our products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease"


Just because something is on the Internet, doesn't make it true.
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Oh more who don't like Dr. Mercola and all he's done and yes made some bucks, but it's OK for the western medicine doctors to make all their money and take all the payola they take.
 
Any doctor (MD or not) has the capacity to do harm - either with a prescribed drug or a natural one.

Conrad Murray is an MD, and (speaking of payola) he was paid $185,000.00 per month to keep his patient healthy. Instead, he (along with a group of other MD's) provided him with drugs under fraudulent names, used a drug that is forbidden to be used except in a hospital setting with complete monitoring, (Propofol) & chatted on the phone with his girlfriend while his patient was dying, & killed his patient & was convicted of manslaughter. His is not an isolated case; the list of doctors who discovered the gold mine in supplying patients with drugs is a long one. Most were never prosecuted. Steven Tyler (the lead singer for Aerosmith) was interviewed on Dr. Oz. He said, "So...I'm at my regular doctor visit, my doctor KNOWS I've been in drug & alcohol rehab, & he asks me, "Hey, Steve....I can give you something to help you sleep." Then he tells Dr. Oz, "Doctors are the biggest drug pushers on the planet."
 
Win: Yes, all legally paid.

I think about my sister who would call me and say "my doctors want to try a new MS drug but it's $25K a month and we're fighting with the insurance company now" so I can try it. Oh how I tried to get her to do more work herself vs putting her life into the hands of all the docs and their drugs, she lost her battle a couple yrs ago in spite of all those drugs that the docs kept telling her would slow down the progression. Yes, it's a horrible disease but I think when the body is bombarded with more and more drugs, things only go downhill. A little OT but along the medical lines.
 
Back to the original question -- I had both measles and rubella as a kid. Chicken pox too.

Got all the usual immunizations and exposure to a few exotic ones.

If a whooping cough shot were necessary to protect someone I was in contact with, would line up for that one also.

Because I love to travel, that's why! And don't want to end up in the stupid line.

Sorry for the harshness, but at some point it might be helpful to think about what one might be exposing others to, as well.
 
I did decades of travel on the one series for 1st grade and all this noise was never a huge issue as it's made to be today. And NOW, I don't travel and have no desire. I believe everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
 
jaminhealth said:
I did decades of travel on the one series for 1st grade and all this noise was never a huge issue as it's made to be today. And NOW, I don't travel and have no desire. I believe everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
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I was just wondering how you would feel about someone not getting a vaccine and contacting measles and passing it on to someone else who wasn't old enough to get vaccinated. Would it upset you?
 
S.C. I don't know how I would feel and as I've said here I've had measles and the other childhood diseases and have lived just fine. I don't think about issue too much but I do like for people to have choices. And not be force vaccinated or forced to do anything. My thinking is very swayed as I'm a pretty holistic thinking person. From vaccines to mass medication of the fluorides in our public waters. I have fought my battles and still do to a degree.
 
Sassycakes said:
I was just wondering how you would feel about someone not getting a vaccine and contacting measles and passing it on to someone else who wasn't old enough to get vaccinated. Would it upset you?
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It wouldn't be possible to prove where someone contracted measles - or who gave someone the flu, a cold or any other illness. People get illnesses & some are contagious. Looking for someone to blame is not productive or beneficial, especially when it's impossible to find who to blame. That same silly guilt tactic is used to sell more flu shots - "If you don't get the flu shot, you'll make others sick." 38 years ago, I got the flu while I was at work. I went home & recovered in 3 weeks. I didn't try to find out who touched my phone or sat at my desk or breathed near me.

BTW, that was the only time I got the flu & I've never had a flu shot & I've been around sick people for the past 38 years. Miraculous, ain't it??
 
Boy this is true. Why couldn't I think of this. I think over my life of people saying I got this cold from so and so, or I got the flu from that so and so. I don't think I ever said that...one just "gets it" and no way to prove from whom. Or what is in the air. One could end up with cold or flu from being in a crowd or being alone.
 
Trying to find out who gave you your cold, flu, or measles is like eating a bowl of beans, then trying to find out which bean made you fart.

Yeah, yeah....I know...... I'm a real card.
 
jujube said:
I'm completely up to date on all my vaccines, but still managed to get both pneumonia AND the flu last year. Sigh. Maybe i had milder cases because of the shots, though. Anyway, I'll continue getting whatever shots my doctor recommends.
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Good grief, all the vaccines and still got so sick. I'd sure think about that and make some changes....doctors love patients like you. Maybe vaccines are NOT your friends.
 
I had measles as a child, so don't have to worry about that one. Measles actually aren't that awful for most who get infected; it's been made the boogie bear illness for some reason though lasting complications are rare. I have several autoimmune diseases and don't get any vaccines except tetanus. Years I did get the flu vaccine (in the fall), I'd get a horrible case early spring at the tail end of the flu season. Makes me wonder if vaccines were ramping up my immune system and steeply dropping off like a sugar high subsequent hypoglycemia. When I don't get vaccinated, I either don't get the flu or it's pretty mild.

Autoimmune diseases run in my family. Several kids in the family have been vaccine damaged -- autism onset in normal toddlers following vaccines. I so wish there was more research in what makes a subset of kids so vulnerable to vaccine injury so screening procedures could be put in place.
 
RadishRose said:
I knew a family from outside the US (I forgot where) whose first child died from encephalitis caused by measles.
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We are all vulnerable to dying of something minor. People have died from the common cold, an infection from a minor cut, the flu (with or without a flu shot), some people have eaten shellfish & ended up having both arms & both legs amputated due to a toxin, & I just read about a guy who also lost all four limbs from being licked by dog. I couldn't believe it, so I researched it:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-loses-four-limbs-dog-lick-leads-severe-infection-023428025.html

I wouldn't want to live without dogs (or any animals), so I'm willing to take the risk. I've had friends tell me I shouldn't care for wild opossums & raccoons & touch them, either, but...again, I love animals & am willing to take whatever risk there may be. If we want to be really safe, we could stay home...but even that wouldn't protect us from an earthquake.

We're all free to make our own decisions about the risks/benefits for any vaccine, drug, surgery.

BTW, my doctor told me, at 66, that's I'm 26 years late for my colonoscopy. I suggested he keep waiting....patiently.
 
RadishRose said:
I knew a family from outside the US (I forgot where) whose first child died from encephalitis caused by measles.
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My previously healthy 19 year old cousin's child died of sepsis from strep throat; there are always very sad outliers.


The fear surrounding measles is a new one. It was treated as comedy on one Brady Bunch episode I remember ...off to see if I can find the one....

....Found a video with clips from several old shows.

 
AnnieA said:
The fear surrounding measles is a new one. It was treated as comedy on one Brady Bunch episode I remember ...off to see if I can find the one....
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I remember it that way also. Growing up around Measles, Chicken Pox and Mumps, and no one really very concerned when anyone in the family came down with any of these.
I remember I got lots of ribbing over the way my face looked when I had the Mumps.
 
Geezerette said:
My family was pro vaccinations as am I. I didn't have measles or rubella as a child but having worked in health care settings just about all my life, we so got any required ones or boosters as needed such as MMR. Grandson' s daughter was born 3 years ago during s time of a whooping cough scare & they wouldn't let anyone visit the baby that hadn't had a fresh booster, so if course I got one.
i think some of the younger people on the board may not have had the experience as many of us "really" old folks have had, having someone they know contract polio and die or become crippled. Was thrilled when the polio vaccines were developed.
I do have a lot of irritation sometimes the way modern medicine & science are practiced, but it is horrifying to see people,especially children sicken and even die from preventable diseases.
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I strongly agree. I DO remember kids getting polio and the dreaded iron lung. I remember what a boon it was to all when the polio vaccine became available. My parents both had diphtheria when they were young and had life-long aftereffects from it.

I think it is irresponsible of people not to be fully vaccinated. My doc says I don't need the measles vaccine as I had it as a child.
 
Butterfly said:
I strongly agree. I DO remember kids getting polio and the dreaded iron lung. I remember what a boon it was to all when the polio vaccine became available. My parents both had diphtheria when they were young and had life-long aftereffects from it.

I think it is irresponsible of people not to be fully vaccinated. My doc says I don't need the measles vaccine as I had it as a child.
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Polio, smallpox, tetanus. There are some really wonderful vaccines that have controlled or eradicated horrible diseases.

But, it's the successes of these vaccines that have turned the industry into a $cash cow$ for other vaccines that we don't always need and that I believe have much more capacity for harm that is realized by the general population.

Why do all newborns in the US get a Hep C shot at birth when it's only those babies with mothers who are infected or live risky lifestyles that need it?

Why are there now two MMR boosters recommended by the CDC after the 12 month shot with no research backing up the need? Or why was the study showing that delaying the MMR past 12 months reduced the risk of vaccine injury in African American boys (see the documentary Vaxxed) suppressed?

The vaccine issue has fallen along the lines of polarizing dichotomy so prevalent in our society. There are not only Pro-vaxxers and Anti-vaxxers as you usually see presented in the media and online. There is a large group of people into which I fall that are "Safer-vaxxers" ...we do not believe the current schedule for children is safe, that many of the adult promos are necessary, but we are not anti-vaccine. We want to see many more rigorous safety studies for an industry that has liability immunity.

We also don't want flu vaccines shoved in our arms that time and time again prove ineffective. I have worked for over 20 years in geriatrics, and can tell you that the flu regularly makes the rounds in nursing homes in which every resident was vaccinated. Not every year, but certainly last year was one of the bad years. We had a recent admission for dementia in a person whose mind was perfectly fine until days after the shingles vaccine. Also have a personal friend who never had allergies until the shingles vaccine at age 64; for the past ten years she stays ill for weeks in the spring.

I can also tell you as the daughter of a farmer, that anecdotal evidence of vaccine injury from over vaccination is not limited to humans. My father's veterinarian--a really old cogder himself--has seen an uptick in cancer, autoimmne and allergy issues in pets in recent years as the vaccine recommendations have increased for animals.

Again. I am not anti-vaccine. But I do not trust Big Pharma and their lobbying dollars and their history of paying CDC employees big bucks as 'consultants'. I also do not trust Big Pharma's heavy hand in the continuing education of US health care providers. I've been on the receiving end of many a spiel touting a product as the latest and greatest by drug reps and conference presenters based on 'studies' only to read the fine print disclaimer showing that their employers funded the 'studies'.

It would be so nice to trust ...to believe that people who make money off medical products have my best interests at heart. But since the days of snake oil salesmen, a lot of them haven't.
 
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AnnieA said:
Polio, smallpox, tetanus. There are some really wonderful vaccines that have controlled or eradicated horrible diseases.

But, it's the successes of these vaccines that have turned the industry into a $cash cow$ for other vaccines that we don't always need and that I believe have much more capacity for harm that is realized by the general population.

Why do all newborns in the US get a Hep C shot at birth when it's only those babies with mothers who are infected or live risky lifestyles that need it?

Why are there now two MMR boosters recommended by the CDC after the 12 month shot with no research backing up the need? Or why was the study showing that delaying the MMR past 12 months reduced the risk of vaccine injury in African American boys (see the documentary Vaxxed) suppressed?

The vaccine issue has fallen along the lines of polarizing dichotomy so prevalent in our society. There are not only Pro-vaxxers and Anti-vaxxers as you usually see presented in the media and online. There is a large group of people into which I fall that are "Safer-vaxxers" ...we do not believe the current schedule for children is safe, that many of the adult promos are necessary, but we are not anti-vaccine. We want to see many more rigorous safety studies for an industry that has liability immunity.

We also don't want flu vaccines shoved in our arms that time and time again prove ineffective. I have worked for over 20 years in geriatrics, and can tell you that the flu regularly makes the rounds in nursing homes in which every resident was vaccinated. Not every year, but certainly last year was one of the bad years. We had a recent admission for dementia in a person whose mind was perfectly fine until days after the shingles vaccine. Also have a personal friend who never had allergies until the shingles vaccine at age 64; for the past ten years she stays ill for weeks in the spring.

I can also tell you as the daughter of a farmer, that anecdotal evidence of vaccine injury from over vaccination is not limited to humans. My father's veterinarian--a really old cogder himself--has seen an uptick in autoimmne and allergy issues in pets in recent years as the vaccine recommendations have increased for animals.

Again. I am not anti-vaccine. But I do not trust Big Pharma and their lobbying dollars and their history of paying CDC employees big bucks as 'consultants'. I also do not trust Big Pharma's heavy hand in the continuing education of US health care providers. I've been on the receiving end of many a spiel touting a product as the latest and greatest by drug reps and conference presenters based on 'studies' only to read the fine print disclaimer showing that their employers funded the 'studies'.

It would be so nice to trust ...to believe that people who make money off medical products have my best interests at heart. But since they days of snake oil salesmen, a lot of them haven't.
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EXACTLY! And their tactic is working. Look how many people bring up other useful vaccines to justify these new cash cow vaccines.
Another effective sales tactic: They'll say, "25,000 people die of the flu each year; you don't want to die, do you?" But they don't tell you where most of those people died - in countries where people are starving & so malnourished, ANYTHING will kill them.

My favorite is that TV ad for a full body scan to detect aneurisms or clots, etc. They show a group of friends sitting at a patio, & someone picks one of them up by the shirt & takes him away while someone says, "Don't let a heart attack or stroke take your loved one away from you; for only $150.00 you can get a full-body scan & detect this before it's too late." Or they'll show a body in the morgue with a toe tag on it.

What they don't tell you is how much radiation you'll absorb from a full-body scan & how much it will increase your chances of getting cancer. I remember when Oprah Winfrey's doctor talked her into having it & she was paid a fortune to show her scan on her show, while her doctor talked about how wonderful it is. BUT, after Oprah found out later how risky it was, she apologized to everyone on national TV for promoting something that was so dangerous.

Yeah....the equipment is expensive & they gotta make the cost back before they can profit. That's also why mammograms are advertised so heavily.
 
Posters above who have never known anyone who suffered terribly before vaccines became available for "childhood diseases" should consider yourselves lucky. I remember friends whose houses had foreboding "Quarantined!" signs hung on their doors because of whooping cough. A cousin of mine was stillborn because his mother contracted German Measles during the pregnancy. An aunt on a different side of the family had polio as a child and suffered with terrible back pain throughout her life. I knew several people my age and older who suffered from the after-effects of polio, and it will forever be painful for me to report that one of my siblings died after complications from the chicken pox.

I had German Measles, measles, and chicken pox. They weren't anything remotely as mild as a cold. Quite the opposite - they made most kids very sick. Parents were delighted and relieved when polio and other vaccines became available. My father was a scientist who understood the extraordinary benefits of vaccines, and was particularly eager for the rest of his children to get in line as they became available since he had already buried one child.

The international scourge of smallpox was wiped out by vaccines. Simply because there are some charlatans in health care (I daresay the supplement field is loaded with them, as well) does not mean that all docs and all pharma companies are evil. Delegitimizing vaccines - or most of western medicine - is irresponsible and without merit. I daresay that western medicine and big pharma have saved the lives of most of us on this forum, or someone we hold dear.

I'm not someone who thinks all doctors and all pharmaceutical companies should be sanctified. Far from it. On the other hand, I am a thinking person who gives credit where it's due.
 
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