Medical Aid in Dying (MAID)

I have such mixed emotions about all of this, as I am still haunted by the fact that I had to have my dog put down four months ago.
It took several people to convince me that it was the right thing to do/ given all the pain, etc .. and nothing could be done to help at that point.


Now if it was ME in that situation, I would have no problem with ending my own pain and saying Good-bye. That’s how I feel about it all.
 

There are different opinions on this issue and it’s best not to get tangled in the web of “what ifs.” I have filled out and had it notarized my Advanced Directive and filed it with my attorney, doctor and family. What I have chosen is my business. No need for discussion or debate.
 
JustBonee said:
I have such mixed emotions about all of this, as I am still haunted by the fact that I had to have my dog put down four months ago.
It took several people to convince me that it was the right thing to do/ given all the pain, etc .. and nothing could be done to help at that point.


Now if it was ME in that situation, I would have no problem with ending my own pain and saying Good-bye. That’s how I feel about it all.
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One thing about euthanizing animals, especially household pets, that i feel very strongly about is that a family member should be with them. They deserve a loving goodbye. As difficult as it is, i've never regretted doing so.

Also think it is a good idea, if you have multiple pets to keep something that is infused with their scent around for the others and keep an eye on them, animals grieve too.
 

It's only a matter of opinion that one life form is superior to another. Seriously at the end of the day it really is. I know people who would let a complete stranger perish in an emergency because they would be busy saving their beloved pet. I'm not saying it's right nor wrong, but I am able to see where they're coming from. It's my view point, not looking to offend others, nor am I looking for an argument.
 
Flarbalard said:
It's only a matter of opinion that one life form is superior to another. Seriously at the end of the day it really is. I know people who would let a complete stranger perish in an emergency because they would be busy saving their beloved pet. I'm not saying it's right nor wrong, but I am able to see where they're coming from. It's my view point, not looking to offend others, nor am I looking for an argument.
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You get only agreement and support from me. I feel all animals have consciousness, to different degrees, but they have it and studies have shown some of them have a sense of fairness, and of compassion.
 
I've targeted 88 in my wishes, but I only pray to be able to do what I have to do by then.
I probably won't make it.

Some claim Trees talk. Some say if they don't like it where they are they grow sons and daughters somewhere else.
Rain Forests create their own rain. Are they sad and crying all the time?
 
BlueDragonfly said:
Your opinion.... And just because you say it is so, does not make it so. Even if you use lots of words to tell me, or others, that we are wrong because we have an opinion contrary to yours.

You're in Oz. Don't presume to understand what rights I have as an American. Over here, everyone imposes their fill-in-the-blank on everyone else. :ROFLMAO:

Again, I am against murder - no matter what wordage is used to make it seem not so wrong. Not because I feel so, but because of my belief system that tells me so. The one that you "don't like", blanket judging 'born agains'. ;)

On that note, I will not engage you further. It's a waste of both of our time and Matrix's patience.
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No it isnt about having an opinion contrary to mine - you can have whatever religious opinion or belief system you like and apply it to your own life - but you do not have the right to impose that on others - and that isnt about America or any country, it is a general statement about anywhere.

I am not against any belief system that people apply t o themselves - I am against them presuming to apply that to everyone else.
 
One thing we all MUST do is to ACCEPT everything bad which happens to us. We MUST accept pain, impairment and even death. If we do not have an ACCEPTING attitude, we will only suffer more than necessary. We must accept paralysis, pain, loneliness, confinement to a nursing home and even death. Then we will always be happy no matter what our situation!

I notice when I play that PC game of "Civilization VI," I am totally happy and totally ignore any pain, paralysis or bad things which could or even did happen to me.

I strongly recommend playing "Civilization VI" every day for many hours. Then we can imagine we are President of the USA or even Stalin or Hitler. We run a nation and plan their battles. Of course, we could lose in that game but in real life national leaders also lose at times.
 
January said:
When I used t o work in Aged Care you sometimes found that - people who just, for no apparent reason, stopped eating - and then soon after passed away
Non communicative and advanced dementia residents - so I dont think they could have thought it out - but somehow just took this step.
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Mum held a belief that when someone was dying, they were accompanied by beloved departed ones. On the day that she first refused food she was in a state of ecstasy, waving her hands about and singing like an opera diva. When she saw me, she made a gesture with her hands that I had never seen her do before. She placed one hand over the other, palms down, fingers forward towards me, and made a downwards movement while saying very clearly, "No more".

She had been nonverbal for a long time by then.

That is when I asked whether she had eaten and I was told that she had refused food. I instructed them to offer her food but not to force her in any way. I was told to put the instructions in writing which I did after talking to my sister in another state.

It was her joyful state that intrigued me. She was neither depressed nor manic. She was happy, even excited. To this day I believe that she had had a vision of my father who had died some 50 years before. Either that, or her mother, who hung on to life until after Mum was married, and who died before I was born.

Life and death are times of deep mystery. We don't remember our birth and have not yet experienced our own demise. I hope to go out like Mum, not regretfully but with an aura of peace and contentment. The undiscovered country will beckon me when the time is right.
 
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papa tiger said:
But the average is people are basically worthless after 75. ... :ROFLMAO: ... nothing of value and has freedom of choice about stuff.
Its like a rock band of the 70's perform with arthritis and fobbed music tracks.
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I read all the posts and I can honestly say I understand/sympathize with both sides of this controversial issue of assisted dying.

But this comment "But the average is people are basically worthless after 75", is offensive on so many levels. :(
 
feywon said:
One thing about euthanizing animals, especially household pets, that i feel very strongly about is that a family member should be with them. They deserve a loving goodbye. As difficult as it is, i've never regretted doing so.

Also think it is a good idea, if you have multiple pets to keep something that is infused with their scent around for the others and keep an eye on them, animals grieve too.
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21 years ago I started to rescue older dogs and often had four at once. I have eight urns in my closet. Seven of the dogs were small so I held them on my lap. I had one big dog and I sat on the floor next to him. As hard as it is to do, I believe it the last gift we give our loyal companions.

Eight years ago, I realized there were vets that would come and euthanize in your own home and I started to do that which was much less stressful for everyone involved. The vet that came the first time said to make sure to let the other dogs watch what was happening and sniff their body when they were gone because then they would understand that they were dead and would not look for them.

I have done that ever since, and it has worked out exactly the way the vet said. Before when I would have a pet put to sleep at the vets office the other pets at home would sometimes look for them for weeks. It was heartbreaking.
 
If pain and suffering are really bad, just buy the game of Civilization VI and all will be fine. I almost traveled to Switzerland for doctor assisted suicide 15 years ago due to terrible arthritis pain. Luckily for me I was too sick to make the flight after booking it. Thus, I never went there. I lost $ 1,000 which was my deposit on their fee. I'm 90 now and can take any pain or suffering. I just play Civilization VI 5 to 10 hours per day and all pain and suffering are totally contained. The Swiss doctor, who was supposed to get me out of life died from brain cancer a few months later.
 
C50 said:
This may sound morbid but I think we should all have a suicide kit, I hope to decide my own exit time regardless of the law or others. I have a small trinket box and under the lining I have enough pills to put me out for good. My thinking is if I ever end up debilitated or in a home I can ask one of my kids to make sure they bring me my little box, if anyone looks in the box all they will see are some keepsakes from my life. I just hope I'm not so far gone I forget about it!

I also have a death book, labled as such. It contains copies of my estate papers, where all monies and investments are and instructions for my after life affairs.
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After reading your post I started wondering, how do you know what is "enough" to do the job. I have heard "The Peaceful Pill Book" doesn't actually give dosage info. I googled the question asking if this info is in the book and got the AI answer that it is illegal to answer the question. 🤷‍♀️ So, does anyone know how you would get this information or if the book does or does not provide it. The book is expensive and I don't want to purchase it only to find no specific info.
 
papa tiger said:
I've targeted 88 in my wishes, but I only pray to be able to do what I have to do by then.
I probably won't make it.

Some claim Trees talk. Some say if they don't like it where they are they grow sons and daughters somewhere else.
Rain Forests create their own rain. Are they sad and crying all the time?
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The reason I don't click "like" is that I never quite understand you.
 
Mitch86 said:
If pain and suffering are really bad, just buy the game of Civilization VI and all will be fine. I almost traveled to Switzerland for doctor assisted suicide 15 years ago due to terrible arthritis pain. Luckily for me I was too sick to make the flight after booking it. Thus, I never went there. I lost $ 1,000 which was my deposit on their fee. I'm 90 now and can take any pain or suffering. I just play Civilization VI 5 to 10 hours per day and all pain and suffering are totally contained. The Swiss doctor, who was supposed to get me out of life died from brain cancer a few months later.
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deal with ya own death wishes - you will probably do it better than anyone else?
 

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