Medical Marijuana.. what do you think about it?

AutumnOfMyLife said:
My body is wracked with arthritis and I live in a state where mmj is legal so I've tried it in the past. It does have a degree of pain relieving capabilities but in my opinion not enough to walk around stoned all day. It wasn't for me. On the other hand, the CBD oil seems to have a large place amongst those who suffer from seizures. I hope that aspect of it becomes legal in all states one day.
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Either the dispensary you went to was really low-grade or you went a long time ago.

One of the biggest false beliefs is that medical marijuana gets you stoned. Increasingly, it doesn't - it is grown specifically NOT to, i.e. it has a low THC content.
 

AutumnOfMyLife said:
My body is wracked with arthritis and I live in a state where mmj is legal so I've tried it in the past. It does have a degree of pain relieving capabilities but in my opinion not enough to walk around stoned all day. It wasn't for me. On the other hand, the CBD oil seems to have a large place amongst those who suffer from seizures. I hope that aspect of it becomes legal in all states one day.
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I fully understand and am sorry it didn't work for you. Feeling "stoned" or "high" is not a characteristic of all cannabis strains. We have patients that take months to figure out which one(s) work best for them--daytime and nighttime.
 
I have a whole little ackage that my son`s buddy packed up for me. Oils and what have you. He wants me to use it to prevent my breast cancer from returning. I hadn`t tried it yet,then I read an article stating that cannabis can be bad for some breast cancers-notably estrogen driven tumors-which is what I had. So now I`m afraid to try it. I have never been a "smoker"-at least not since high school and even then not until I was married,so at 17. Then,within a couple of months of smoking it recreationally,I found out I was pregnant and had an aversion to smoke of any kind-and most everything else. Smoked a few more times over the years but just never cared much for it.
 
AutumnOfMyLife said:
My body is wracked with arthritis and I live in a state where mmj is legal so I've tried it in the past. It does have a degree of pain relieving capabilities but in my opinion not enough to walk around stoned all day. It wasn't for me. On the other hand, the CBD oil seems to have a large place amongst those who suffer from seizures. I hope that aspect of it becomes legal in all states one day.
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I have thought about trying the oil. Is that what you used? My friend said she does not get stoned on it. My rheumatologist is urging me to have a pain pump put in....I would rather something not as invasive.
 
ndynt said:
Sunday morning just had a segment on Medical Marijuana for seniors. Very interesting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/seniors-and-marijuana/
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I seems to me that the biggest losers, if medical marijuana became readily available, would be the big drug companies. MJ could probably replace most of the heavily advertised, and pricey pain drugs, and with far fewer Side Effects. The news is full of reports about the growing drug epidemic with prescription Opioids, killing more and more people every week, but seldom is there a report of someone "overdosing" on MJ. These prescription drugs are a multi-billion dollar Cash Cow for the drug companies, and their side effects are often worse than the "illness".
 
Mrs. Robinson said:
I have a whole little ackage that my son`s buddy packed up for me. Oils and what have you. He wants me to use it to prevent my breast cancer from returning. I hadn`t tried it yet,then I read an article stating that cannabis can be bad for some breast cancers-notably estrogen driven tumors-which is what I had. So now I`m afraid to try it. I have never been a "smoker"-at least not since high school and even then not until I was married,so at 17. Then,within a couple of months of smoking it recreationally,I found out I was pregnant and had an aversion to smoke of any kind-and most everything else. Smoked a few more times over the years but just never cared much for it.
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Who funded that article you read Mrs. Robinson? Because I have heard that the oil is excellent at stopping cancer cell growth. A Nova Scotia man cured his own cancer and went on to cure cancer for friends and acquaintances by growing the pot, turning it into oil and then giving it away whenever someone with cancer came to him. His 'patients' had brain cancers, skin cancers as well as other diseases that the oil cured. If you are curious, here's the link to his video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYNLNF7NBw Maybe it mentions breast cancer in there.
 
Here is a link to an article cautioning the use of medical marijuana by heart patients: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/06/does-marijuana-hurt-your-heart-doctors-urge-caution/

I discovered this information on another site a few years ago when I was researching medical marijuana in case I ever went into business as a manufacturer of food products that contain it.

What got me started with idea was a fiction book I had just read: Betty's (Little Basement) Garden. http://www.amazon.com/Bettys-Little...den&qid=1462120930&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1

The story centered around a 58 year old widow who needed more income. The author included a lot of interesting factual material about marijuana, which piqued my interest. I thought it was a really good book, too.

I am still vaguely interested in developing my product, but it isn't feasible. First, I'd have to procure certain types of marijuana or grow it myself (illegally). Second, even if it were legal, my husband would never in a million years agree with my project. He still thinks I was pulling his leg about this, even though I assured him I was not.

Mind you, hubby is used to hearing my Great Ideas. The plan to raise chickens for eggs and food when we moved to the country is a good example. My plan was to keep the chickens in the basement during the winter months so they wouldn't freeze to death (we have a pellet stove down there). I saw a chicken once, at a zoo, a long time ago, and that is my sole encounter with the birds.

My husband had spent summers on his uncle's farm when he was a kid. He knew about chickens, and my plan went straight down the drain. I am glad I didn't buy the chickens before I told him about it.
 
I live in a progressive state where MJ is legal. My daughter convinced me to try MJ for my diabetes. I purchased a vaporizer & my first 'bag' to give it a go. I had no desire to take it like I did when I smoked 2 1/2 packs a day. I didn't want to go down that path, any way spending over $300 for all my gear I tried it. Couldn't tell much difference, no love of flowers or getting mellow watching the tropical fish, of course we have NO fish so that could have been the problem.

Gave up vaping & decided to give 'hemp hearts' a try. Poor man's high, you get a trace of THC but not enough to matter. I think it has helped with weight, diabetes & mood, enough so I query the wife whenever we get around a supply, 'Do we have enough hemp hearts?' I start with 1 Tbsp in my oatmeal & add 1 Tbsp in my noon & evening cottage cheese, I do avoid taking it at bedtime, the one time I did I had trouble sleeping, don't know if it was the HH or not.
 
WheatenLover's reference to the "medical" article - the article seems to be a combination of supposition and downright falsehoods, factored in with a lack of knowledge of the biochemistry of marijuana. Stating things like there is a connection between marijuana and bipolar disease is just totally false. It smacks of the old "Reefer Madness" days.
 
Here in Canuckistan, where marijuana is a regular staple among many vets suffering the crippling effects of severe PTSD, a current study is underway looking to determine how to best treat them. Yes, they are talking to the vets themselves. It is now

acknowledged by most medical health professionals , particularly peeps like me who counsel vets, Big Pharma drugs have failed the majority of our service people affected by the trauma of war. Huge cocktails of drugs, full of side effects, some

promoting the very depression and suicide already systemic among the forces, have benefited no one but the drug companies, and docs who receive payments for selling them. Medical and recreational pot, and service dogs, have a better record of being

efficacious for many damaged men and women. I certainly have noticed marked improvement among many of my clients. Also, therapy is a must for most of course.
 
SifuPhil said:
WheatenLover's reference to the "medical" article - the article seems to be a combination of supposition and downright falsehoods, factored in with a lack of knowledge of the biochemistry of marijuana. Stating things like there is a connection between marijuana and bipolar disease is just totally false. It smacks of the old "Reefer Madness" days.
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Yeah, I wondered about that, but the article is from The Cleveland Clinic, famous for their fabulous cardiac programs.

Here's an article about how mj use effects people who have bipolar disorder: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150313130855.htm

Another one from the National Institute of Health (NIH): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

Nonetheless, I do have cardiac disease, so I am going to exercise great caution before using medical mj. I had emergency double bypass surgery when I was 45 (no risk factors), a heart attack 5 years ago, and have 11 stents (or maybe 9, I can't remember which it is).
 
WheatenLover said:
Yeah, I wondered about that, but the article is from The Cleveland Clinic, famous for their fabulous cardiac programs.

Here's an article about how mj use effects people who have bipolar disorder: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150313130855.htm

Another one from the National Institute of Health (NIH): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

Nonetheless, I do have cardiac disease, so I am going to exercise great caution before using medical mj. I had emergency double bypass surgery when I was 45 (no risk factors), a heart attack 5 years ago, and have 11 stents (or maybe 9, I can't remember which it is).
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One of the problems with the lack of studies on marijuana is that the government makes it almost impossible for scientists to procure any for their studies. When they DO get it, IF they do, it might not be representative of what is purchased in the real world - they might send the labs some "super pot", when the stuff you buy is half or quarter as strong.

You're probably right to be careful, though, at least until you can be sure of a product's provenance.
 
Ya, Phil, that book I referenced had a lot of information about the history of mj and why it became illegal, along with what the benefits are ... really in-depth stuff that fascinated me. Also interesting was the author's discussion of the various chemicals found in different strains of mj, and how those chemicals benefit different ailments. I liked how the author made sure that her character knew what was up with mj, instead of being careless about it.

I did a little research online to make sure the author's assertions were accurate, at least in major ways. Key phrase is "a little" ... I didn't make a hobby of my research. One of my sons actually went to the house of someone who grows pot for commercial medicinal purposes in RI. He was astonished that I already knew what a pot growing operation looks like ... all because of that book! So I got a few "cool mom" points for that!
 
SifuPhil said:
WheatenLover's reference to the "medical" article - the article seems to be a combination of supposition and downright falsehoods, factored in with a lack of knowledge of the biochemistry of marijuana. Stating things like there is a connection between marijuana and bipolar disease is just totally false. It smacks of the old "Reefer Madness" days.
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You know, I've wondered about that bi-polar or even schizophrenia connection and I can't help but wonder if people who SEEM to become schizophrenic after beginning to smoke pot, wouldn't have gotten schizophrenia anyway even if they didn't smoke? How can they really tell that it was the pot? After all, there are no controls, it's an experiment of one and the genii can't be put back in the bottle to 'try it the other way'. Know what I mean? Or maybe smoking masks symptoms that are already starting until the disorder reaches a certain level and becomes apparent and then the researchers said 'there, see, he was smoking pot for six months, now he's schizophrenic so it must be the pot'. How do they really know there is a cause/effect thing happening there? Or maybe in those people they studied, there were also issues with things like cocaine and it was cocaine abuse that pushed them over the edge. I knew a guy who smoked pot all day long, but he also did coke like it was Lickamade (remember the little packets of flavoured sour sugary candy?) and there came a point where it was painfully obvious that he had some major issues and then we lost track of him. So was it really the pot or was it the cocaine? And maybe when people smoke pot and are beginning to develop schizophrenia, maybe they started because they were struggling to find some way to cope with the mental health problems they were already experiencing.

Or is it simply more BS to frighten people away from smoking pot because the pharma companies don't want to lose customers?
 
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AutumnOfMyLife said:
All it really does is put your mind in a state of being stoned so you don't notice the pain as much. Not really a good solution to long term pain relief in my opinion.
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Except sometimes the placebo effect of a substance can give your mind enough of a break from unrelenting pain or discomfort that it can begin to heal itself. The placebo effect is very real and in some people, can be very effective.
 
Debby said:
You know, I've wondered about that bi-polar or even schizophrenia connection and I can't help but wonder if people who SEEM to become schizophrenic after beginning to smoke pot, wouldn't have gotten schizophrenia anyway even if they didn't smoke? How can they really tell that it was the pot? After all, there are no controls, it's an experiment of one and the genii can't be put back in the bottle to 'try it the other way'. Know what I mean? Or maybe smoking masks symptoms that are already starting until the disorder reaches a certain level and becomes apparent and then the researchers said 'there, see, he was smoking pot for six months, now he's schizophrenic so it must be the pot'. How do they really know there is a cause/effect thing happening there? Or maybe in those people they studied, there were also issues with things like cocaine and it was cocaine abuse that pushed them over the edge. I knew a guy who smoked pot all day long, but he also did coke like it was Lickamade (remember the little packets of flavoured sour sugary candy?). So was it really the pot or was it the cocaine? And maybe when people smoke pot and are beginning to develop schizophrenia, maybe they started because they were struggling to find some way to cope with the mental health problems they were already experiencing.

Or is it simply more BS to frighten people away from smoking pot because the pharma companies don't want to lose customers?
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Very true - I've often wondered the same thing - poor experimental design, shoddy or no control groups.
 
Debby said:
Except sometimes the placebo effect of a substance can give your mind enough of a break from unrelenting pain or discomfort that it can begin to heal itself. The placebo effect is very real and in some people, can be very effective.
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And it isn't even just a placebo effect - marijuana has very specific actions upon certain receptors in the brain that control pain.

You don't just get stoned - many times, you don't even just cover up the symptoms like most Big Pharma products do - it actually gets rid of pain.
 

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