Men are denied the greatest joy in life in that they can't give birth!

Ralphy1

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Women will tell you that giving birth is the greatest thing in the world. Not necessarily the the pregnancy or the delivery which can be bothersome and painful, but bringing new life on the earth. Men have nothing like it in comparison. Makes sense to me and it probably does for you...
 

Completely true, Ralphy.
To say "I am now a mother" is a very different thing to knowing that one has become a father.
Both experiences are wonderful but at the same time not really comparable.
 
And I note that women relive this experience to a great degree when they become grandmothers...
 

Not really.

I was present at the births of two of my six grandchildren and it was terrifying.
Not the same experience at all. It was probably closer to the experience of fathers.
 
I did not mean being present at the actual birth but the vicarious exaltation of the experience. And, fortunately, men weren't in the room when my kids were born, and I am glad that I wasn't...
 
When it was happening.... I wished I wasn't either... but I didn't have a choice.


Isn't it enough men control everything else... NOW they are jealous of the birth process? I say... anytime they want to take over that.... go for it.
 
No, not the physical process, but the intense bond between mother and baby...
 
Biology is destiny and men got short changed...

Oh sure... short changed are ya?.. Men control nearly every government.. Men far outweigh the women in Corporate executive positions.. Men make more money than women for the same jobs.. I believe nearly 30% more.. and even more in the case of women of color. Men's bodies are not the subject of debate and regulation. Men who rape, have their victims as much on trial as they are. Men control women by the simple fact of biology.. as the majority of the poor are single mothers. So now... WHO has been short changed? I think men can pay lip service to the "miracle of birth and motherhood" but other than that, I sincerely doubt there is a single one of you who REALLY would like to be a woman. While I can think of many many women who have said.."next time.. I would like to come back as a man"
 
But the miracle of birth and motherhood probably gives the greatest satisfaction of all...
 
But the miracle of birth and motherhood probably gives the greatest satisfaction of all...

Not much consolation if you are poor and hungry. Most welfare and food stamp recipients are single mothers and their children... and that is being chipped away at little by little with cuts. It amazes me how pregnancy and birth are SOOOO glorified and the aftermath of physical care of the mother and child are so maligned and resented.
 
Comparing those pour souls with the middle class ladies who plan way in advance and plan a family according to their means and family stability is a tangent that does not have merit...
 
Well Ralphy.... I understand that there is a way men can simulate the experience... Some men have actually strapped on a "pregnancy suit" to be able to empathize with their pregnant wives.. The rest I'm told involves something about a vice and testicles... lol!!!

NO... Ralphy.... I'll concede.. Men can't really be mothers, but to lament this in light of all the advantages men have over women, including the middle class woman who practices family planning.. has no merit either.
 
Let's see Ralphy. I'll give you an outline of my first birth experience and you can decide how satisfying you would find it.

At midnight, one week before my due date, my waters broke, which is an indication that you should go immediately to hospital so my husband drove me there with my suitcase. He was dismissed by the Sister on duty and I was taken in, shaved and then given an enema. Both experiences were new to me and very embarrassing, humiliating even. I was 20 yo at the time and not very sophisticated. I was put to bed in the general maternity ward and must have been given some knockout drops to make me sleep.

Labour started sometime the next day but I was still groggy until around 5.00 pm and was unable to sit up to eat meals that were put before me and as far as I know did not drink either. In my befuddled state I decided that I was hot and I remember removing my hospital gown and throwing it on the floor in front of other patients visitors.

That's when they decided to move me down to a delivery room. As I said, by evening the fog in my head lifted and I was thereafter able to control my actions. Contractions were strong and I tried to do the right thing with the breathing but I was alone in the delivery room. Nurses looked in from time to time and helpfully took a look at the business end. More than once they encouraged me by telling me that my baby had black hair.

My doctor was apparently on holiday so they brought in someone else. I have no idea who he was. He might have been a locum or he may have been on duty that night but he was a tanned man with hairy arms and I thought he looked like a gardener. Then my contractions stopped because I was quite exhausted, having had no nourishment for 24 hours. They offered me some orange juice which I drank, then projectile vomited over someone in the room. I apologised.

Eventually the contractions began again and I pushed and pushed but had trouble holding up my head because I was pretty exhausted. I remember a nurse with a Chinese face who held my head up to help me push. Just before my baby emerged they held a mask over my face and told me to breathe deeply. It was something like ether and I began to float but was still alert. I thought they were about to cut me open and in mild panic I muttered "I'm still conscious" to warn them that the anaesthetic hadn't yet taken effect. I had no idea that the mask beside the bed could have been used during labour for pain relief. No-one told me.

My baby was born around 10.00 pm but was not shown to me. I did not get to hold her that night. Her birth weight, I found out later, was a hefty 8 pound 15 1/2 ounces. I was a small woman just 5 ft 1 1/2 in tall but blessed with what people described as a magnificent set of child bearing hips.

They took her away to the nursery and proceeded to attend to me, afterbirth, stitches etc. Then everyone buggered off and left me alone again. Around midnight I was returned to the ward but could not sleep easily. I felt I had to lie on my back all night lest my poor overstretched abdominal organs fall out. It was the weirdest feeling.

Next morning, at 6 am trolleys of babies were wheeled out of the nursery and mine was not there. She didn't show up until 10 am, a full 12 hours after the birth. That was the first time I saw her and was able check out the number of fingers, toes etc. I had been needlessly worried because I feared she might have deformed feet because I had a cousin who was born with club feet.

Finally, hubby was allowed in to visit me for one hour at 2.00 pm i.e. during normal visiting hours.

Ralphy, if this is the experience you envy, I wish you all the best. Perhaps in your next incarnation?
 
You guys are going off the track. I have already said that I wouldn't want to go thru pregnancy and delivery but you have to agree that women have an experience when they see and hold their baby that is unique...
 
Ralphy... Let me give you a way to experience birth.. First.. strap yourself down to a hard table...Put your legs in the air.. NOW.. take both your hands and grasp your lower lip... firmly.. NEXT... Pull your lower lip up.. and over the top of your head... :p
 
But the miracle of birth and motherhood probably gives the greatest satisfaction of all...


The downside that most ignore is all the mechanics of what makes this miracle possible and I'm betting there aren't too many women who exult over that. Having to deal with the misery of menses every 28 days for 30 or 40 years, and after that all the aggravations of menopause (years of hot flashes, weight gain, dry skin, thinning hair, other hairs that start growing where they never used to...) and if we're lucky after all of this, our kids don't stick us in a nursing home and ignore us til it's time to read the will!

Boy, doesn't that sound a little jaundiced and cynical! But seriously Ralph, I appreciate where you're coming from....as a matter of fact, the last dream I had before I woke up this morning included my daughter having our second little grand baby (so cute!) and walking into her hospital room to see our grandson balancing his new little sister up against his upraised legs while he laid on mom's bed on his back (horrifying! She's too new, you can't play with her like she's a football!) Dreams are so weird aren't they?

But yeah, there's no beating the supernatural, wonderfully, weird feeling of that little individual stretching and rolling around in there! Very cool but one that's only for women. Sorry guys.
 
No Ralphy, you are the one who has failed to see what the track is.
I'm pretty sure my husband also felt a rush of love when he was eventually allowed to hold his baby daughter.
I don't think that feeling is gender specific. It is a bit like falling in love for the first time, all over again.
 
Yes, even the dream experiences of women and men are different when it comes to babies; in fact, I never had any dreams about babies and I doubt that men do...
 
Yes, even the dream experiences of women and men are different when it comes to babies; in fact, I never had any dreams about babies and I doubt that men do...

Me neither... but I have had dreams of discovering I was pregnant! That went straight into the nightmare classification. Unless you think waking up in a cold sweat is a wonderful experience.
 
Feeligs of love on the part of both genders is there, but the experience that leads to the whole maternal experience dictated by biology is different, namely, estrogen...
 


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