Men are denied the greatest joy in life in that they can't give birth!

Don't need oxy, just a good martini will do...:D
 

Well I think poor Ralphy is kind of getting beat up for simply trying to acknowledge that women are more important than men, and can do something very special in this world. He obviously went wrong by saying "Hey. We men got cheated."
Everyone is different, and that goes for women too. Observation tells me that not all are over joyed by motherhood. Still; I think for most, there is a bond with their children beyond any other. After all, that child was at one time, and in some ways still is, a part of her very own body. I lost my place of importance as number one, as soon as our first child was born, soon to move further down the line, until our kids were grown. I think that's natural. I was very happy to step back and watch my wife do her thing.
As to giving birth; Plant a tiny seed inside me, watch it grow to hopelessly impossible proportions through nine months of discomfort and nausea, and then try to squeeze it through a soda straw? No.Thank you very much.
I have unstinting admiration for the courage of any woman who voluntarily decides to do that. I am ever in my wife's debt for having done it twice, despite doctors warnings about risks to her health.
Just a few thoughts from another old guy who hasn't a clue.
 
Debby said:
Good points all QuickSilver, but if it's any consolation, you know that the same thing will happen to them. My grandkids are lovable, cuddly, affectionate, etc., but you and I both know (and I refrain from popping my daughters bubble with this info when she's going on and on about them), that as they grow up, it will change and become something different. Good case scenario, they will still love their mom, but they're unlikely to give their lives for her. Bad case scenario, they will simply become distant and unreachable.

While I went through that process of trying to redefine myself once they moved out and I was no longer 'mommy' as I'd been for 20 years, I don't think I've ever felt disappointed as a result of the kinds of changes you mention because I had zero expectations on how it would turn out. If you don't 'expect' you can't be disappointed right? Then all the good things (if any) that come along in any relationship (children, friends, spouses, etc) are a blessing and a bonus. It's when we live with expectations of certain outcomes that we set ourselves up for disappointment. In my opinion anyway.
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Excekkent post! Very well put. I agree 100%. I think in the natural order of things, parents are always more concerned about their offspring than vise versa. How often do we think of our children? How often do we think of our parents?
 

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Ralphie, the initial bonding between a mother and a newborn is amazing. Still frequently the bond that develops between a father and baby is sometimes even stronger and more remarkable.
I am sorry birth was such a horrible experience for others. I had 7 births, all natural....and worked in high risk Labor and Delivery for 6 years. And no matter how many deliveries there were I always found it a very emotional, spiritual and beautiful experience.... Though, admittedly there were some sad outcomes...the actual birth, getting baby to breath and placing the baby on mom's chest and watching them bond....even now I tear up...
 
How is the blessing of birthing a baby achieved if there had not been a man's sperm involved in bringing about the baby's conception? So I'd say that a man knowing he gave his most important contribution to the conception of the baby being birthed by the woman is quite something for him to have great satisfaction over.......
 
QuickSilver said:
When it was happening.... I wished I wasn't there either... but I didn't have a choice.
Now men say they are jealous of the birth process? I say... anytime they want to take over that.... go for it.
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I've been shot, stabbed and had three kidney stones and I know that the pain I felt was not even close to the excruciating pain that a woman must feel during childbirth.....I'm not the least bit jealous nor do I have any desire to ever take over the birthing process.
 
You wonder if humans are supposed to be the top rung of the food chain and prey on everything else why we haven't evolved into a simpler birth method.

For instance. Why can't we just lay an egg like a chicken?
 
I think if fatherhood is looked at as more than being a sperm donor but as a partner in raising the children they wanted, the idea that birth is only a great experience for a woman IMO is a little unrealistic. I'm not excluding the fact that a woman carries a life or the pain of delivery. My point is about the joy both parents share as that life or lives developes over the years. Holding your child at birth and realizing that life depends on you to keeping it alive can be very sobering. Really satisfying is once your children leave home to make their own way in the world, and they do, and you become "friends" life takes on a whole new meaning.
 
Falcon said:
Adam was lying back contemplating his navel............................WAIT !

Adam didn't HAVE a navel, if you stop and think about it.
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I have thought about it. If you believe in the theory of evolution the first human came from someone who was not quite a human yet. When I start thinking of this stuff I get a headache.
 
Falcon, that post came from an internet savvy hen. She hatched a rooster...poor thing, he'll miss out on ever having labor pains. :(
 
Reading this brings back memories of when I gave birth. I have 2 children and when the first one was born husbands were not allowed in Delivery. After the baby arrived and my husband came in he looked worse than I did. He said he was worried sick thinking what I was going through while he was just sitting in the waiting room just worrying. I felt soo bad for him and actually thought he had a harder time then I did. When my second child was born men were allowed in the delivery room. While I was going through all the pain they decided to give me an epidural. After the injection there was a problem. I couldn't see good and had bad pain. They said the epidural hadn't gone in right and they rushed me into delivery. They told my Husband he couldn't come in. Again I felt more sorry for him then I felt for myself. After all that went on I do believe giving birth is the most wonderful thing and I am happy I am a woman and not a man. At least during delivery I am busy giving birth while Husbands are worrying about their wives and the new baby coming to them.
 
My daughter gave birth to her 3rd and 4th babies at home and I was present as the chief cook and bottlewasher as well as wrangling the first two. I saw the moment of birth for each and I was terrified. That was my daughter, my firstborn baby labouring there and my grand child suspended between life and death.

I think I understand how a father feels when his babies are born.
 
'Bringing new life on the earth' ...ok I agree with that but I'm sure if men gave birth we wouldn't have a population problem !
 
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