Men are falling behind

SeniorBen

SeniorBen

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From the video...
  • The author talks about a gender gap in four year higher education attainment. In 1972 the disparity was 13% in favor of males. Now it's 15% in favor of females.
  • Men, on average, earn less today than they did in 1979, which is related to the collapse of traditionally male jobs in manufacturing and heavy industry.
  • Later in video, author claims there's a 60-40 female/male population, which is a 20% disparity — not 15% as claimed earlier.
  • There's been a decline in male teachers in primary education, which affects motivation for boys to go on to higher education.
Thoughts?

[EDIT] Here's the article that led me to the video:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/20/modern-male-problems-men-face
 

There's a lot of room for divergent views on these issues. My view on "Men, on average, earn less today than they did in 1979, which is related to the collapse of traditionally male jobs in manufacturing and heavy industry".
True, manufacturing and heavy industry jobs were allowed to 'migrate' away in the 1980s to areas in the world where labor was cheaper. Less labor= less labor unions, plus higher corporate profits.

Regarding: " 60-40 female/male population, which is a 20% disparity — not 15% as claimed earlier."
??? Not sure where the author gets his figures. All over Google search the figures are 49.5 percent male and 50.47 percent female - constant with US Census data for 2021

And: "There's been a decline in male teachers in primary education, which affects motivation for boys to go on to higher education."

My opinion: I'd like to see how the author came to that conclusion. I'm sure there is a whole host of factors that affects the motivation of boys to go on to higher education, the least of which(I believe) is the decline in male teachers in primary education. Perhaps there are reasons that boys are not interested in becoming primary school teachers, perhaps the pressure for better pay...
 
SeniorBen said:
These sources confirm the 60-40 ratio:
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
https://nscresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/CTEE_Report_Fall_2020.pdf

This one, the 15% gender disparity:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...sis-is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/

So males pretty much have it made these days at universities regarding getting a date. [B/] :ROFLMAO:
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Well, that is one way of leveling the dating field. Perhaps now, college women will have a shorter make or break list.
 
The problem I have with these "studies" is they are always described in terms of male vs female. Females are doing so much better than males by X. It's intimated that women have taken something away from men. It's implied that if a woman goes to college, that takes away an admission for a male. If the statistics for men are down, it is because of a factor for men. If women outnumber men in college is not the women's fault that men aren't applying to college. And the stuff about male vs female teachers is conjecture, at best.
 
Let's just say that most of these stats are true or close to being true. I am glad that women are finally outperforming men. It is important to me to have more women in leadership positions in all sectors of our life. If it were up to me women would have dominance in our society. I think it would be a better society.
 
SeniorBen said:
Thoughts?
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I think its all in how you measure or count...

The good news is that the details of this discussion are very different from just a few years back. When we were younger to suggest women might be rivaling, in this way, men wasn't taken seriously. And unfortunately there are still parts of the world like that.

Slow progress, but in the right direction. Unfortunately change like this seems to take generations. Not sure complete equality will ever be achieved, equality in opportunity might be the best we can hope for. And we are slowly getting there, two steps forward and one back.
 
When I was a teacher I suggested that one way to bring up the districts test scores was to get the boys to do as well as the girls. It's an ongoing problem in most public schools. Boys are falling behind in many areas.

Alas, my principal and assorted assistant superintendents are almost all female and did not think much of my idea. They are working hard to get girls into STEM classes, and I applaud that. But, they also seem to be working hard at ignoring the plight of boys.

If you have sons or grandsons in school, don't ignore this. Your boys need an advocate.
 
Nathan said:
There's a lot of room for divergent views on these issues. My view on "Men, on average, earn less today than they did in 1979, which is related to the collapse of traditionally male jobs in manufacturing and heavy industry".
True, manufacturing and heavy industry jobs were allowed to 'migrate' away in the 1980s to areas in the world where labor was cheaper. Less labor= less labor unions, plus higher corporate profits. I agree

Regarding: " 60-40 female/male population, which is a 20% disparity — not 15% as claimed earlier."
??? Not sure where the author gets his figures. All over Google search the figures are 49.5 percent male and 50.47 percent female - constant with US Census data for 2021

And: "There's been a decline in male teachers in primary education, which affects motivation for boys to go on to higher education."

My opinion: I'd like to see how the author came to that conclusion. I'm sure there is a whole host of factors that affects the motivation of boys to go on to higher education, the least of which(I believe) is the decline in male teachers in primary education. Perhaps there are reasons that boys are not interested in becoming primary school teachers, perhaps the pressure for better pay...
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The male/female population ratio should be broken up into age categories. Women live longer.

I wish there were more male teachers than there currently is. My sons did much better in school when they had male teachers, for whatever reason. And my honorary son became a teacher 100% because of a male teacher.
(honorary son was a close friend of my kids who moved in with us when he was 12, after his parents divorced, and stayed for a couple of years)
 
Historically, there have always been slightly more males born, than females. However, in recent centuries, that ratio is slowly declining. If humans survive thousands of more years. males may become similar to Bulls and Bucks....where females dominate the species, and males have little responsibility other than donating sperm.
 
I remember readying something years ago that said women were actually human beings, just like men!!!! I don't comment on rumors. As to women attending college, why shouldn't they? The cause of why male college numbers is down, depends on the men, themselves. I doubt men are not going on to higher education is that they may have to sit next to a female- catch couties?? There's a lot of armchair psychoanalysis, but few facts. We do have a spate of these veiled anti-feminist articles just before the election.
 

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