Modern Feminism Ignores Working-Class

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Interesting short clip (about 13 minutes). A lot of bearing on the mental health impact.

Christina Hoff Sommers: Modern Feminism Ignores Working-Class Men

Feminist philosopher and author Christina Hoff Sommers critiques the selective focus of modern feminism, which she argues prioritizes elite gender battles over the real struggles of everyday men and women. The demographics of Fortune executives have no bearing on more pressing issues, such as boys falling behind in education and girls facing serious mental health struggles. Christina argues that both men and women are ultimately impacted by these unaddressed challenges and suggests that a balanced approach—one that values resilience and stoicism alongside empathy—would promote healthier relationships and more prosperous lives for all.​

 

dilettante said:
Interesting short clip (about 13 minutes). A lot of bearing on the mental health impact.

Christina Hoff Sommers: Modern Feminism Ignores Working-Class Men

Feminist philosopher and author Christina Hoff Sommers critiques the selective focus of modern feminism, which she argues prioritizes elite gender battles over the real struggles of everyday men and women. The demographics of Fortune executives have no bearing on more pressing issues, such as boys falling behind in education and girls facing serious mental health struggles. Christina argues that both men and women are ultimately impacted by these unaddressed challenges and suggests that a balanced approach—one that values resilience and stoicism alongside empathy—would promote healthier relationships and more prosperous lives for all.​

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It sounds like there might be some truth to that video but I am not going to spend 13 minutes on it.
 

Brookswood said:
I rarely watch posted videos. Most are far too long for the information they contain.

The ability to write a succinct accurate explanation of what you think/know is a skill more people, including me, should work on.
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Here here. :ROFLMAO: 😁

The only videos I watch are babies laughing, animals being animals - dogs specifically, cooking by Ina Garten, travel, and good comedians who make fun of life. Controversial videos and sensationalism nope.

My new years resolution will be learning to write succinctly. :ROFLMAO: Seriously.
 
Are we really supposed to write a book expressing other peoples' opinions? That makes no sense.

I suspect what you want is to come in hot disagreeing when something doesn't fit your comfortable narrative, and then discount it all making ad hominem attacks.

Bog forbid somebody might learn something. In this case about a mental health issue.

If you're just here for more cat pictures then why even read threads in these other forums?
 
I certainly dont want to come in and make ad honinem attacks - something I dislike and try very hard to avoid doing.

I also dont want to spend 1/4 hour watching a video when a brief summary would suffice - and then perhaps you could link to video or transcript if anyone does want to do that

Of course you are welcome to post long videos if you like - but your audience does seem to be saying they wont watch them. 🙅‍♀️
 
January said:
Of course you are welcome to post long videos if you like - but your audience does seem to be saying they wont watch them. 🙅‍♀️
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That's no problem.

But then you have no business responding to something you never viewed, right?

The flouncing is pretty transparent.
 
dilettante said:
Are we really supposed to write a book expressing other peoples' opinions? That makes no sense.

I suspect what you want is to come in hot disagreeing when something doesn't fit your comfortable narrative, and then discount it all making ad hominem attacks.

Bog forbid somebody might learn something. In this case about a mental health issue.

If you're just here for more cat pictures then why even read threads in these other forums?
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Ooooh... Touchy?

I haven't watched the video either. I read the precis and saw nothing new that might interest me.
I've lived through 2nd wave feminism and, as an educator, I was particularly interested in gender defined educational paths for boys and girls. The fuss that occurred when girls started outperforming boys in maths and sciences was ridiculous.

May I ask why modern feminism is so interesting to you? Does it affect you personally in some way?
I have three grandsons in their thirties and none of them are complaining about feminism.
Nor are the partners of my three granddaughters.
 
dilettante said:
That's no problem.

But then you have no business responding to something you never viewed, right?

The flouncing is pretty transparent.
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Tsk Tsk.... Flouncing?

Now that the morning coffee has been downed, I have taken time to watch the video. I have not found strong argument that modern feminism is the cause of any of the problems addressed by the speaker.

Feminists, even old ones like me, are concerned about situations where women and girls are disadvantaged because of their gender. Progress is being made, e.g. trials of new drugs are no longer being made using male only participants. Women were excluded in the past because, due to their menstrual cycles, they were considered to be inconstant subjects. This meant that no data was collected on side effects for females, a huge knowledge gap that was completely ignored until feminists started making noise about it.

Just an irrelevant aside, I found the speaker's habit of waving her arms about and touching her hair to be very distracting. The interview would have been more effective if it were to be broadcast on the radio.
 
dilettante said:
That's no problem.

But then you have no business responding to something you never viewed, right?

The flouncing is pretty transparent.
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Not sure who you think is flouncing :rolleyes:

I didn't respond to anything in the video - I do sometimes respond to general topics to which a video is attached without specifically commenting on anything in said video.
If that bothers you, I guess you can skip over my posts. 🤷‍♀️
 
dilettante said:
Are we really supposed to write a book expressing other peoples' opinions? That makes no sense.

I suspect what you want is to come in hot disagreeing when something doesn't fit your comfortable narrative, and then discount it all making ad hominem attacks.

Bog forbid somebody might learn something. In this case about a mental health issue.

If you're just here for more cat pictures then why even read threads in these other forums?
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Whoa here!

My writing reference was meant from someplace else...a comment earlier as I am a wordy writer and I need to learn to be more succinct.

I didn't have time to watch a video nor did I want to watch earlier. But I mentioned I watch certain other silly, fun videos when I am not able to watch something more serious as what you posted. I have to pace myself if you will. Serious:fun stuff online.

I apologize!
I DID watch it, all of it now.

I agree with what the woman is saying.
I have two sons and two daughters.
Also know the highest suicide rate in the US now is sadly young men 21-24.

Men and women's brains are designed by genetics, so well in fact, for what nature meant for them to do.
And my experiences watching both male and female genders grow up side by side was so enlightening my feminist tendencies of the 70s-80s cooled a great deal. I also have three grandsons and five grand daughters. They, from birth had behaviors of their brain type, male or female!

Rampant feminism seems to miss many of the nuances of the sexes and how they complement each other in day to day living and functioning to support the species as a whole.

I've also been in more than a few male female relationships over the long life, so far.
Men and women do NOT think or operate on the same neural network much of the time.

What the speaker said in her info was that girls want to talk about issues in order to solve and feel better about what ruffles their feathers. Men that I have known are few and far between who want to do that.

Men put it away, let it go as they do better forgetting about it.

At least that is what I have also learned with every man I know, except a few.

Both men and women have differing styles on a continuum is how I also see it.

On a scale of 1-10 with 1 being an unfeminine (not feelings based) or unmasculine (feelings based) to 10 being either very feelings female based or very male, non-feelings based.

Again, I agree with this woman's assessment and thank you for sharing.

Didn't hear much about "elite" gender battles. Elite is a subjective word, used to be good, but now progressives hate "elite" people too! Flavor word of the week. She defined it as those in corporate higher level jobs...
 
Didn't watch the video, although after skimming the responses, it sounds like the video may not be the purpose of the discussion.
 
i watched the video and agree that the speaker makes some good points. I also agree with CooCooforCoCoPuffs about how interesting it is to observe gender differences in boys and girls.

I remember waiting outside the school for my son to come out from kindergarten. The little girls would come mincing out two by two clutching their papers. My son and his friend would bust the doors open, grab each other, roll together off the porch and into the grass for a bit of wrestling. Every day. They're curious creatures, the males.
 
I thought the interview was reasonably balanced in bringing up some issues that don't get a lot of attention. It doesn't really propose solutions in detail, and nothing aggressive or even very controversial.

If anything, the talk is about the need for more balance. Not taking from one group to advance another.

I have a young grandson and I'm concerned that he'll face a steady headwind of opposition to his nature, normal development, and opportunity. Can society even survive on our current course? I'm sure you could find a few women working as engineers, oil rig workers, plumbers, and airline pilots but even though the skids are heavily greased in their favor not a lot of women want those jobs. When I see a cherry-picker truck and a worker up there taking down a tree or repairing power lines it is extremely rare to see a woman up there. More likely some 30 year old guy.

If these roles are devalued and people are discouraged from taking an interest in and preparing for them... we could be in a world of hurt. Emotional well-being is a big part of everyone's tool kit.
 
dilettante said:
Are we really supposed to write a book expressing other peoples' opinions? That makes no sense.

I suspect what you want is to come in hot disagreeing when something doesn't fit your comfortable narrative, and then discount it all making ad hominem attacks.

Bog forbid somebody might learn something. In this case about a mental health issue.

If you're just here for more cat pictures then why even read threads in these other forums?
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I didn't get very far into the video, frankly a bit tedious to listen to and, really I have to ask: What in your opinion makes this even a relevant topic to be posted in the Mental Health section of the forum?
I'd much rather read someone's post making their case in their own words, rather than leaning on some Youtube video, that readers have to endure.
 
It isn't "my" case and it deals with mental health. So you can't handle watching a video. Gosh, better ask for your money back, I guess.
 
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