More kids die from gunshot than anything else.

Not in Canada
Injury is the leading cause of death and a major cause of morbidity among children aged 14 years and less in Canada.
 

Cancer Diagnosis in the USA was near 2,000,000 in 2022 with 15,000 being children up to Teens.
Many will still pass, just later in life.

Near 40,000 auto accident deaths in 2020. Children since the 50's have been subject to more
and more dangers. No more paper boys/ Girls.

Car seats, crash bags have protected better than the swinging right arm.
Some of these Auto front turn signals seem hidden and hard to see at times.

Most likely there will be huge cash settlements due to smart phones etc.
Find reasons to be content is a great choice.
 
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Women are increasingly using firearms in suicide deaths, CDC data reveals

Studies have shown that women and girls tend to have more suicidal ideation, attempts and self-injury. Men and boys are more likely to use lethal means such as firearms and, therefore, have much higher rates of suicide. Researchers have called this the ā€œgender paradox.ā€

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Under these circumstances, women's thoughts of suicide may have moved into new territory.​
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"Women are the ones who now have guns," Hahm told USA TODAY. "When they have the similar ideation, they have access."​
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Access to firearms increases the chances of a suicide attempt becoming lethal, she said.​
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Suicide deaths have risen for more than two decades, reaching rates the country has not seen since the Great Depression, said Matthew Garnett, an author of the CDC report from the National Center for Health Statistics. In 2022, the age-adjusted rate reached a record 14.2 deaths per 100,000 people, with a rate of 23 among men and 5.9 among women. Provisional data show the rising numbers appeared to persist in 2023.​
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Suicides have increased among women ages 74 and younger. The number of younger people dying by suicide had been on the rise, but that trend appears to have been waning in recent years.​
 
While we're on this (clearly politically motivated) subject, this just came up in my feed:

Sen. Josh Hawley Makes Anti-2A Judge Look Stupid Exposing Her Record Of Failure

Full disclosure: I have never owned a firearm (or even a stun gun).
 
dilettante said:
Women are increasingly using firearms in suicide deaths, CDC data reveals

Studies have shown that women and girls tend to have more suicidal ideation, attempts and self-injury. Men and boys are more likely to use lethal means such as firearms and, therefore, have much higher rates of suicide. Researchers have called this the ā€œgender paradox.ā€

...​

Under these circumstances, women's thoughts of suicide may have moved into new territory.​
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"Women are the ones who now have guns," Hahm told USA TODAY. "When they have the similar ideation, they have access."​
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Access to firearms increases the chances of a suicide attempt becoming lethal, she said.​
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Suicide deaths have risen for more than two decades, reaching rates the country has not seen since the Great Depression, said Matthew Garnett, an author of the CDC report from the National Center for Health Statistics. In 2022, the age-adjusted rate reached a record 14.2 deaths per 100,000 people, with a rate of 23 among men and 5.9 among women. Provisional data show the rising numbers appeared to persist in 2023.​
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Should and would and no verifiable data.
Suicides have increased among women ages 74 and younger. The number of younger people dying by suicide had been on the rise, but that trend appears to have been waning in recent years.​
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dilettante said:
While we're on this (clearly politically motivated) subject, this just came up in my feed:

Sen. Josh Hawley Makes Anti-2A Judge Look Stupid Exposing Her Record Of Failure


Full disclosure: I have never owned a firearm (or even a stun gun).
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And yet she was confirmed as a Judge in United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts on Nov 7, 2023. Hopefully the 2a crowd was entertained for a few minutes by Josh's riveting performance.
 
Twostep said:
How do you come up with the thread title of "more kids die from gunshot than anything else" and you and your source say 18%?
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I interpret that statement to be

"of all the children aged between 12 months and 18 years who die in a given year (not specified), most die from a gunshot wound."

It does not mean that 18% of all children aged 1 year to 18 years die from being shot by a firearm. We would soon run out of children if that were the case.

Nor does it mean that any other single cause, e.g. cancer, must be taking more children than 18% of all deaths. There are many reasons why children die before reaching maturity, such as traffic accidents, but out of them, death by gunshot kills more kids in USA than any other single cause.

And as some posters have indicated, child death by gunshot is not the leading cause of child mortality in most other countries.
 
jlhog said:
And all studies can be swayed in either direction depending on the outcome wanted. How many of these children are gang related.
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Really? That is a total red herring drawn across the trail in an effort to sidestep the underlying question.
Why don't you search the stats for the answer to your own question?

I would be interested if you come up with anything.
 
againstthegrain said:
And yet she was confirmed as a Judge in United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts on Nov 7, 2023. Hopefully the 2a crowd was entertained for a few minutes by Josh's riveting performance.
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Yeah, it was enlightening how he exposed yet another activist judge poking and probing in her attempts to break the law.
 
Warrigal said:
Really? That is a total red herring drawn across the trail in an effort to sidestep the underlying question.
Why don't you search the stats for the answer to your own question?

I would be interested if you come up with anything.
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Edit. That wasn't too hard. A simple search "gang related deaths children USA" pulled up this study from John Hopkins, based on national statistics for 2022

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/sites/...22-cgvs-gun-violence-in-the-united-states.pdf

On page 6 you will find this information

The Burden of Gun Violence on Children and Teens
The Leading Cause of Death Among Young People Firearms remained the leading cause of mortality for young people in the United States. When young people are shot and killed, they lose decades of potential: the potential to grow up, have a family, contribute to society, and pursue their passions in life. These losses are felt across families, neighborhoods, and communities. For this report, age categories are defined to capture the different life stages of youth: children (ages 1ā€“9), teens (ages 10ā€“17), and emerging adults (ages 18ā€“19).

Years of Potential Life Lost From Gun Violence Years of Potential Life Lost From Gun Violence Compared to other causes of death, gun violence often poses a larger burden on society in terms of years of potential life lost. Years of potential life lost calculations estimate the average time a person would have otherwise been expected to live if they had not died prematurely. In 2022, firearm injury deaths accounted for 1,120,312 years of potential life lost before the age of 65ā€”more than diabetes, stroke, and liver disease combined.4
Compared to other causes of death, gun violence often poses a larger burden on society in terms of years of potential life lost. Years of potential life lost calculations estimate the average time a person would have otherwise been expected to live if they had not died prematurely. In 2022, firearm injury deaths accounted for 1,120,312 years of potential life lost before the age of 65ā€”more than diabetes, stroke, and liver disease combined.4
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Let's not hide behind the "this is political" argument. There is nothing political about children and teens dying from lead poisoning. The days of the wild west are long gone.
 
dilettante said:
While we're on this (clearly politically motivated) subject, this just came up in my feed:

Sen. Josh Hawley Makes Anti-2A Judge Look Stupid Exposing Her Record Of Failure

Full disclosure: I have never owned a firearm (or even a stun gun).
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I've taken the time listen to the arguments. This is a red herring because it has nothing to do with child death rate by gunshot. Nothing to do with stun guns or the 2nd Amendment.

If this thread gets shut down, which I suspect is your intention, then that is on you. :mad:
 
jlhog said:
And all studies can be swayed in either direction depending on the outcome wanted. How many of these children are gang related.
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Well, since 90% of these "child deaths by firearms" are in the over 15 age group we can assume gang related. I don't call anyone over the age of 13 a child. The stat is made to fit political twists: "Children" :rolleyes: makes one think of 4-5 year olds.

Also need the intentional and accidental. Firearm related "child" deaths first crossed the auto related deaths in 2020. Oddly that coincided with Covid and all the cars off the highways. They also don't site the rate per 100,000 and break it out by age on purpose.
 
"Statistical gerrymandering" is what my professor in Stats and Analysis called it when I took graduate level stats courses. Means stats can be manipulated and presented to support a political point of view almost always.
 
I'm waiting to hear solutions aside from "total confiscation" which just isn't going to happen in a free country.

Aside from that all I see above is a lot of hand-wringing and wailing and thinly-veiled attempts to shame and blame freedom for the problem. I guess they didn't get the memo that a "high social credit score" means nothing outside places similar to Red China and North Korea.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Well, since 90% of these "child deaths by firearms" are in the over 15 age group we can assume gang related. I don't call anyone over the age of 13 a child. The stat is made to fit political twists: "Children" :rolleyes: makes one think of 4-5 year olds.

Also need the intentional and accidental. Firearm related "child" deaths first crossed the auto related deaths in 2020. Oddly that coincided with Covid and all the cars off the highways. They also don't site the rate per 100,000 and break it out by age on purpose.
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It is true that the vast majority of child deaths by firearms are in the teen years but does that make it OK?
 
"And as some posters have indicated, child death by gunshot is not the leading cause of child mortality in most other countries".

Yes, it could be by other means such as infanticide, starvation, cholera, warfare (think Congo), etc.

This is comparing apples (right to carry/own; (rate) number of firearms/person in a population) to oranges (no right to carry - zero rate of ownership).

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Knives don't kill people, people kill people. Cars don't kill people, people driving cars kill people.
 
Warrigal said:
It is true that the vast majority of child deaths by firearms are in the teen years but does that make it OK?
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If a kid is playing with guns....there are consequences.
Cause and effect.
I haven't much sympathy for any kids who play with guns or parents that allow kids to get a gun.
Don't take away my right to protect myself because of you and your kid being irresponsible idiots.
 

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