More kids die from gunshot than anything else.

Inept said:
I know. I lived in Perth (Shenton Park, Subiaco) back in 80-81and I worked in Fremantle.

I understand. Life in the US is like tossing two pit bulls in the same ring. It's all about teeth and guns.
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This last statement is totally not true in 85% of the US.

It is true for blacks or Mexican gangs. Blacks and Mexican gangs use guns as well as KNIVES. Nearly equally, in Mexican populations, do they use knives and guns.

So what do we do? Take away all knives and use sporks only? (A "spork" is a combination of a fork and spoon in the US).

It is nearly 100% all drug related with blacks as they think drugs are the only way out of poverty.
With Mexicans/Latinos it is honor and drugs.

It is CULTURE not guns.
 

Inept said:
Here was me thinking you are from WA. Anyway, it's murder mayhem that's the issue Stateside.
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It is only "murder mayhem" in 15.8% of the population: black populations shooting black populations.
And nearly all of those shootings are by ILLEGALLY obtained guns, gun laws in the US are strict too, but apparently black criminals don't follow laws.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Fix the people's behaviors and your deaths by gun problem is solved.
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HermitHogan said:
How do you propose "fixing people's behaviors?"
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Make sure you have enough jobs for everyone - give them free medical aid - stop shoving political propaganda down their throats - stop making war - stop the rich from flaunting their wealth - end racism.
 

CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
This last statement is totally not true in 85% of the US.

It is true for blacks or Mexican gangs. Blacks and Mexican gangs use guns as well as KNIVES. Nearly equally, in Mexican populations, do they use knives and guns.

So what do we do? Take away all knives and use sporks only? (A "spork" is a combination of a fork and spoon in the US).

It is nearly 100% all drug related with blacks as they think drugs are the only way out of poverty.
With Mexicans/Latinos it is honor and drugs.

It is CULTURE not guns. It is only "murder mayhem" in 15.8% of the population: black populations shooting black populations.
And nearly all of those shootings are by ILLEGALLY obtained guns, gun laws in the US are strict too, but apparently black criminals don't follow laws.
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I don't believe in racial excuses. See post # 53.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Since 85 to 90% of shootings IN America are black on black, regardless of age of the victim and shooter, and I am no expert on black societal norms, and I am not black, I would start with asking a black person.

I asked some I know.

They said it is because "Their role models suck".

So I say take away the guns from all blacks until the role models don't "suck".
Clearly, that won't work because then we'd be called racists - as always :rolleyes: ;).

HINT: If you are white OR brown OR purple, if visit America (or Mexico for that matter): stay out of places where you see brown skinned young males, they will not shoot a white person, but you may get caught in the crossfire or you may get carjacked at a stoplight. They usually won't shoot a person while carjacking them (they just want your wheels), but a gun will stop them for sure.
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If you took away all their guns, you'd be violating their 2nd Amendment rights, so you can't do that. And how would that work, anyway? The police would go door to door and search the homes of all Black people? That would violate the 4th Amendment.

Perhaps you're proposing that we just do away with the Constitution altogether when it comes to Black people.

That said, I have no idea what the solution is.
 
Inept said:
It looks that way.
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Didn't overlook Canada. The black population in Toronto is about 8-9% - about 250,000 persons; and the majority of those are NOT from the US but from directly from the Caribbean, the East African continent - most having immigrated directly, in the 50s. The black population in Chicago isn't even related much at all, culturally, to the population of blacks in the north/northeastern/north midwestern (Chicago/New York/Detroit/St Louis! The population of blacks in Chicago ALONE is more than a million, with suburbs and that is down from historical highs.
HermitHogan said:
If you took away all their guns, you'd be violating their 2nd Amendment rights, so you can't do that. And how would that work, anyway? The police would go door to door and search the homes of all Black people? That would violate the 4th Amendment.

Perhaps you're proposing that we just do away with the Constitution altogether when it comes to Black people.

That said, I have no idea what the solution is.
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I was of course, being facetious ;) . I too, do not know what the solution is, I wish I did as ALL Americans are taking a hit on our whole culture due to the deeds of about 2%; ALL blacks of color are taking a huge hit on their culture due to the acts of a few and the EXCUSE that it is "systemic racism" - this makes blacks victims and as if they had no control, or are less than capable.

In reality blacks are ARE capable but severely divided in their cultural ideology, which is their achilles heel.

It is going to take a leader of color - or otherwise, who is colorblind to solve the issue. Their culture does not seem to see the values that lead to success as something to be proud of, and those in their culture with less tend to bully those with success and try to pull them backward. Many of the less educated blacks, especially black males from 16-32 seem to see allegiance to their racial culture as more important than allegiance to American culture and homogeneousness and strength through that culture. The seem to not see that their culture, along with hundreds of other cultures make an American.

In my book of life, as an American, one ceases to be a "race or a color" when one becomes an American! This what my perspective is: all cultures/races are my relatives. I truly see no color and strongly dislike checking any box other than one that says "American". I see and find Americans by speaking with people and watching behaviors - the American commonalities I have lived for decades and my family has lived for generations.
 
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HermitHogan said:
If you took away all their guns, you'd be violating their 2nd Amendment rights, so you can't do that. And how would that work, anyway? The police would go door to door and search the homes of all Black people? That would violate the 4th Amendment.

Perhaps you're proposing that we just do away with the Constitution altogether when it comes to Black people.

That said, I have no idea what the solution is.
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Registered gun owners are required to complete a safety course that includes safe storage. However, that's not a federal law, it's just a requirement of ownership (possibly not in all states). A gun owner can be cited and/or prosecuted for unsafe storage, but that usually follows an accidental shooting. There's really no way to enforce safe gun storage without impeding on people's rights, and, again, it isn't a law.

Maybe it should be. And maybe registration should require a home inspection focusing on safe gun storage, and maybe theft-proof storage as well. This would not prevent careless young thugs getting their hands on firearms, but could reduce the numbers.

But the 2nd Amendment should never be altered or overturned. There is an excellent reason for its inclusion, and there is proof of that.
 
Irishdude said:
Of course it's not ok. But deaths from gang-related violence are different from, say, deaths involving gun-related accidents. Different approaches needed. A total ban is never going to work in the US.
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Any complex problem is never going to be solved with a single action. You've no doubt heard of "top down design" that was a key feature of the NASA project to land a man on the Moon.

Beginning at the top with the goal, every part of the project was analysed and subdivided into smaller goals until every aspect of the project was clearly set out. Then work began on those tasks on which the final goal depended.

Attention to every sub goal was necessary if the mission was to be successful.

Think of gun violence as a mighty mission that needs good planning, human and financial resources to overcome. If US could overcome all of the problems they encountered last century, working with computers with less processing power than an early desktop PC, then all that is lacking to deal with the extraordinary level of deaths and injury caused by modern firearms** is the will to try.

** We are not dealing about muzzle loading rifles anymore. Today civilians have access to the most lethal killing machines ever invented. That is just one of the subproblems that needs to be analysed if the death toll is to be lowered. Juvenile gangs is another, but separate issue.
 
^^^ One point of fact is that semi-automatic weapons were invented in the late 1800's. Today's semi-auto pistols and scary black rifles are essentially the same they just weren't dressed up w the "furniture" that now adorns most of the rifles and some pistols.

The problem hasn't been solved because our congress has protected the gun industry and regards the 2a as the most important right of all.
 
Every statistic is an analyst's work.
I have not heard from OP.
againstthegrain said:
^^^ One point of fact is that semi-automatic weapons were invented in the late 1800's. Today's semi-auto pistols and scary black rifles are essentially the same they just weren't dressed up w the "furniture" that now adorns most of the rifles and some pistols.

The problem hasn't been solved because our congress has protected the gun industry and regards the 2a as the most important right of all.
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I would love to discuss guns, construction, registration and restrictions and then take you to a range. Probably a waste of time.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Don't take away my right to protect myself because of you and your kid being irresponsible idiots.
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It's not always the parents. My BIL's youngest brother was shot through the back of a car seat and made a quadriplegic when he was four by another of the brothers who picked the loaded pistol up and pulled the trigger saying "bang, bang". That was before car seat legislation so the 4 YO was in the front passenger seat. The kids were in the nanny's car because their parents were out of town for the weekend. The nanny didn't know the pistol was in her car; she had loaned the car to a family member and the loaded gun was left in it by accident.

Accident is the word the family always used in discussing the incident and all--including the injured brother (passed away a few years ago in his 40s)--are/were strong 2nd Amendment supporters. All the sons including the quadriplegic obtained advanced degrees so not a bunch of redneck gun fanatics.
 
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HermitHogan said:
Nope, the four largest countries are Russia, Canada, China, and the U.S.

Of those four, only China is "communist."

I put communist in quotes because it's actually state capitalism — not communism. A state-capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts as a single huge corporation, extracting surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.
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Beg to differ: Russia is communist, just disguised.
 
Warrigal said:
It is true that the vast majority of child deaths by firearms are in the teen years but does that make it OK?
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What it means is that there are underlying and related issues associated with "child" deaths by firearms -- to wit, gang activity. Gang activity is often centered in urban centers where there is a preponderance of illegal drug use, theft, poverty, ignorance, crime, and the like.

There are rare occasions when some firearm owners are irresponsible and through their stupidity, allow an unsupervised child to gain access to a firearm, even more rarely resulting in a horrible outcome. Yet the anti-2A media would have you believe that these tragedies occur on an hourly basis.

I will refrain from further commentary on this thread except to say in the aftermath of Virginia Tech in 2007, I resolved then and there never to be a victim. I am educated in the use of firearms, I am trained in the use of firearms (though nobody is ever really fully "trained" except for Jerry Miculek and a few others); I have a permit to carry concealed (though I am not required to have one in my state) and I may or may not own a few.

Those Americans who have an issue with firearm ownership are fully free to never purchase one.

To put it bluntly and with all respect -- if you aren't an American, I couldn't care less what you think of firearm ownership in my country. By all means prattle away if that makes you happy, but your opinion means nothing to me. Why? Because you haven't walked where I've walked.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
If a kid is playing with guns....there are consequences.
Cause and effect.
I haven't much sympathy for any kids who play with guns or parents that allow kids to get a gun.
Don't take away my right to protect myself because of you and your kid being irresponsible idiots.
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Sounds like you are assuming that 'kids' have fully developed brains and understand self control, repercussions, etc., as would a fully formed adult who was well brought up. Kids only know what they are taught and what they see as examples. Those kids should at least by sympathized with because they haven't been blessed with the good examples and teaching that they need to grow up into responsible adults.
 
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CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Beg to differ: Russia is communist, just disguised.
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Russia isn't communist. A communist country is one where all property is owned by the community/government and people are paid according to their usefulness and abilities. Russia actually has oligarchs (rich business people) who own major businesses and there are small businesses too. Although they do have elections, the process is heavily manipulated so they'd be more an example of an authoritarian capitalist country. China, Laos, N. Korea and Cuba are examples of communist countries although China and Cuba (don't know about the other two) do allow privately owned businesses of various sizes. But their communism is probably demonstrated in that there is a single party that is government and officials are promoted within it according to their accomplishments.
 
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January said:
Ah well, those of us who live in countries where nobody has a gun for self protection manage quite well.

( people have guns for farming purposes or target shooting- and stored safely when not in use - but not just in the house for protection)

But then of course we don't have other people with guns that we need guns to protect ourselves from.
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That's because we have rules about who can have a gun and rules about licensing. Seems to make a difference.
 

fuzzybuddy said:

More kids die from gunshot than anything else.​

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Pardon me, ladies and gentlemen but if you want to know what I think .... Guns ➡️ Phooey! I am a Vietnam War Veteran and although it doesn't mean anything of importance I can say that I know what guns are made for ➡️putting holes in people and things.
 

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