More transgender children now?

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aeron

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4027242/Childline-calls-triple-gender-fears.html

This news item is about the growing number of what is now called transgender kids seeking help from the major UK children's support group, Childline-calls-triple-gender-fears.html, last year. Some 3,000 apparently which is reported as a threefold increase over a rolling three year period.

Maybe its me but i do find it of concern that children are being guided to support groups at an early age especially when what can often follow is hormone treatment to change the normal physical development that takes place as a child grows.

Is this a peculiarly and predominately a British thing, or is it widespread?

And is addressing cases where kids want to dress up like their sister as a thing to be supported or dismissed as just a phase that some kids go through and dealt with later in life?

It's just that when I see numbers like this I get an uncomfortable feeling that in many cases just possibly a non-problem is being turned into a problem.

Thoughts?

(As for grammar, spelling, split infinitives, punctuation and sentence structure please remember I'm Welsh and so have a "get out of jail free" card!)
 

As transgenders have just come into national spotlights it will take time for the correct approaches to develop, and individual cases dealt with rather than standardized practices. And, BTW, your sloppiness of the English language ain't in no way going to be excused here nohow...
 
IMO anytime you create a support system for an issue the numbers grow because the system needs to be fed and maintained by the people that make a living from it. I don't now if that is bad or good, just seems to be the way it is.

I don't have any children so that qualifies me as an expert in raising them. I believe we should take our lead from the children, support them, help them breakdown barriers, get age appropriate information, etc... so they can decide what is right for them without making a big deal out of it.
 

I scanned and assured myself that the term "LGBT" was not used anywhere in this thread. I understand that term LGBT is now the acronym for "Larger, Greater, Biglier Trump" and is being copyrighted. Anywhere the LGBT will be printed from now on, a copyright fee will be forwarded to Trump Tower!!!! :)
 
I can't remember any of these current issues....Transgender, Autism, etc., being an issue when I was growing up, back in the 40's and 50's. I often wonder if some of this stuff isn't occurring as a result of all the doping and drugs, some of these kids are put on....like Ritalin. Also, in today's world, when both parents have to work to make a decent living, I sometimes think that lack of having full time parenting might also be shortchanging many of today's kids.
 
Don M. said:
I can't remember any of these current issues....Transgender, Autism, etc., being an issue when I was growing up, back in the 40's and 50's. I often wonder if some of this stuff isn't occurring as a result of all the doping and drugs, some of these kids are put on....like Ritalin. Also, in today's world, when both parents have to work to make a decent living, I sometimes think that lack of having full time parenting might also be shortchanging many of today's kids.
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I think it's that so many parents don't have the slightest idea of how to be a parent is a key factor. Elaine and me were awful parents. Our kids had rules and consequences and if rules were broken consequences always followed. It galls us to hear a young mother threatening her kid if he/she does something she will do something and yet when her little angel obviously couldn't care less and repeats the thing the mother doesn't follow up with what she had said that she would.

Then there's my pet subject, ADHD. Now I don't doubt that there are some unfortunate kids who do have some condition that does result in them being unable to concentrate on anything for more than a short time and / or be uncontrollably rumbustious but when I was a brat the first port of call was a short sharp slap which was remarkably successful in most cases.

I must be getting old.
 
aeron said:
Then there's my pet subject, ADHD. Now I don't doubt that there are some unfortunate kids who do have some condition that does result in them being unable to concentrate on anything for more than a short time and / or be uncontrollably rumbustious but when I was a brat the first port of call was a short sharp slap which was remarkably successful in most cases.

I must be getting old.
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Yup, I had great parents, but they had Strict Rules. Whenever I screwed up...which was fairly frequently...I quickly felt the back of their hand against my big mouth. It didn't take me long to figure out that I better not do or say that again. Today, the world has become so Politically Correct that if a parent whacks their unruly kid, they are likely to face child abuse charges. Kids are kids...and they will "push the envelope" every chance they get.
 
I wonder which is worse - allowing a kid with some confusion about their identity to talk about it, or just making them accept their birth gender as an absolute, and not allowing them to question it? Perhaps there have always been a number of people with concerns about their gender identity, but they were suppressed and not allowed to discuss it.

Just for the record, I'm pretty sure I'm a fella, at least I have been for the past 70+ years. But I always felt that Milton Berle enjoyed his cross-dressing characters a little too much..
 
We imposed very few rules while our kids were growing up. Things like never ever playing with matches, doing what they were told when in shops, the "rule of three" which meant that if we told them to do a thing or not do a thing then they could play the "oh purleese" card and then if that failed ask why and hope to get their way, but on the third time of telling it became a must do.

In the event they were very well behaved little sods, thankfully not perfect but good and decent and just naughty enough to be healthy.

Today they are bringing their kids up exactly the same way.

Rules are things that should be few and far between, regularly reviewed, and applied consistently.

Leastwise thats my opinion.
 
aeron said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4027242/Childline-calls-triple-gender-fears.html

This news item is about the growing number of what is now called transgender kids seeking help from the major UK children's support group, Childline-calls-triple-gender-fears.html, last year. Some 3,000 apparently which is reported as a threefold increase over a rolling three year period.

Maybe its me but i do find it of concern that children are being guided to support groups at an early age especially when what can often follow is hormone treatment to change the normal physical development that takes place as a child grows.

Is this a peculiarly and predominately a British thing, or is it widespread?

And is addressing cases where kids want to dress up like their sister as a thing to be supported or dismissed as just a phase that some kids go through and dealt with later in life?

It's just that when I see numbers like this I get an uncomfortable feeling that in many cases just possibly a non-problem is being turned into a problem.

Thoughts?

(As for grammar, spelling, split infinitives, punctuation and sentence structure please remember I'm Welsh and so have a "get out of jail free" card!)
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I am half Welsh. As far as I'm concerned, you may split anything you wish, including your personality. Lol.
 
I believe that in many cases it is a form of "rebellion" - all kids go through that phase. Catering to "trannies" these days gives the kids not only their rebellion but also a spotlight.

A friend has two grand-daughters who announced they were lesbians. Their parents said something along the line of, "That's nice dear. Have fun". Today they are both married with children.
 
Until I discovered Smirnoff I thought that a Lesbian was someone who had been born on a small Greek island!
 
I agree with Butterfly. Any such decisions about sexual orientation before puberty should be taken with a large grain of salt.

In adolescents and adults, I think there is a distinction between homosexuality and being transgender. The first is simply a sexual orientation, pretty common, which has always been a part of mankind. The second is- well, who knows what it is? My instinct is to regard it as a kind of mental illness. Every bit of our DNA is programmed to be one gender or another, and I think denying the gender you are born with is a denial of reality.

I have a friend whose grandson decided at age 3 that he was a girl. "She" is now 8. They have changed the child's name, and the whole family is enthusiastically treating "her" as a girl. I really have a problem with this. (Have kept my mouth shut, though; they are not interested in my opinion!)
 
Sunny said:
I agree with Butterfly. Any such decisions about sexual orientation before puberty should be taken with a large grain of salt.

In adolescents and adults, I think there is a distinction between homosexuality and being transgender. The first is simply a sexual orientation, pretty common, which has always been a part of mankind. The second is- well, who knows what it is? My instinct is to regard it as a kind of mental illness. Every bit of our DNA is programmed to be one gender or another, and I think denying the gender you are born with is a denial of reality.

I have a friend whose grandson decided at age 3 that he was a girl. "She" is now 8. They have changed the child's name, and the whole family is enthusiastically treating "her" as a girl. I really have a problem with this. (Have kept my mouth shut, though; they are not interested in my opinion!)
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That's just nuts. How does a 3 year old know anything about gender or sexuality?? Wait till the testosterone kicks in! "she" may change "her" mind very quickly-- or else get very screwed up mentally. Maybe both.
 
I find this a bit confusing. Young children sometimes pretend they are the opposite sex as in roleplaying. I remember my younger brother putting on my Mother's high heels and pretending to be a lady. I was a bit of a tomboy when I was young--I actually got along better with boys. Little boys sometimes like dolls. Isn't some of this behavior kind of normal? At what point or age do you take a child seriously to think they are transgender? I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I would think it would be rather rare. I would not encourage a child at a young age or begin treating them as the opposite sex. I am old fashioned, I know, but I believe this is a decision best held off until they become young adults.
 
Don M. said:
I can't remember any of these current issues....Transgender, Autism, etc., being an issue when I was growing up, back in the 40's and 50's. I often wonder if some of this stuff isn't occurring as a result of all the doping and drugs, some of these kids are put on....like Ritalin.
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I've read in the past that the excessive amounts of hormones they use these days in our foods, livestock, poultry, farm fed fish, etc. have an effect on children's bodies and minds, and even their appearance at times. It's been suggested too that Autism is a side effect of all the excessive vaccinations they give and prescription drugs you mention Don, like Ritalin at such young ages. I think a lot of vaccines taken by the mother, and then given to the baby, have questionable ingredients in them like aluminum, which is said to play a part in Alzheimer's. So I wouldn't doubt it can attribute to Autism also, if this is true.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I've read in the past that the excessive amounts of hormones they use these days in our foods, livestock, poultry, farm fed fish, etc. have an effect on children's bodies and minds, and even their appearance at times. It's been suggested too that Autism is a side effect of all the excessive vaccinations they give and prescription drugs you mention Don, like Ritalin at such young ages. I think a lot of vaccines taken by the mother, and then given to the baby, have questionable ingredients in them like aluminum, which is said to play a part in Alzheimer's. So I wouldn't doubt it can attribute to Autism also, if this is true.
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I wouldn't doubt that many of the "additives" in our food supply, and our current obsession with vaccinations and drugs, are contributing to the rise in some of these "modern" afflictions. All this crap is bound to have some unforeseen side effects. My pet peeve is all the growth hormones and antibiotics that are put in the feed of our poultry and farm animals. These additives substantially reduce the "time to market" for the producers, but at what cost to us when we consume these products?? We live in a region of heavy chicken and turkey production. Normally a turkey takes almost 10 months to mature, but with all these growth hormones, they local producers have that down to about 3 months. I am convinced that eating a lot of these products is a major contributor to Obesity...and all its associated health problems. These growth hormones don't go away when the turkey is cooked....they go into our bodies.
 
The chemicals you refer to are have the same number of cyclical rings as estrogen. They resemble each other in what are called SARS. Structural activity relationships. They mimic the effect of and the body receptor sites cannot tell the difference. Estrogen is a strong growth hormone. Food sources are one small contaminate. BHA is one of these which is the "releasing agent" used in many of the plastic bottles used today especially water. Estrogen has a biological half life of 6-8 hours. Some of the hormonalmimetics have half lives up to a week.
its contribution to obesity occurs when the available e2 is converted to e1 or estrone both in males and females. Couple this with testicular suppression in males and get manboobs and in females it's the comfortable belly roll just below the belly button and extending bilaterally around the waste.
 

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