My last thought about this situation

"Not as severe as first envisioned" USA 986,000 Confirmed Cases & 55,417 Deaths Not severe???

As of 2018... pre corona panic... USA population, 328 + million. Deaths from our top ten killers, 2.8 million. 😲 so, when put in perspective, not severe.
by the way, top 10 killers
1- heart disease
2-cancer
3-chronic lower respiratory disease
4-stroke
5-accidents
6-Alzheimer's disease
7-diabetes
8-kidney disease
9-Influenza/Pneumonia
10- suicide
 


The first google hit isn't always the best.

Again, from Forbes but this article is from last week.

Michigan Bans May Stores From Selling Seeds, Home Gardening Supplies, Calls Them "Not Necessary"

Excerpts:

Last week, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer ordered all stores larger than 50,000-square feet to cordon off their garden centers and plant nurseries, blocking customers from shopping in those sections through April 30

In fact, the day before Gov. Whitmer announced her order, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz affirmed that garden centers and plant nurseries are "critical sectors," a decision that reversed his earlier order to shut them down. Now those businesses can reopen, so long as they abide by the Minnesota Department of Agriculture's guidance for social distancing.

Make no mistake: Michigan's ban on selling plants imposed steep costs, with many workers and small business owners fearing for their livelihoods. According to the Michigan Farm Bureau, the state’s gardening industry employs over 9,000 workers, and generates up to $700 million in sales each year.

Moreover, the retail plant industry is highly seasonal. Between mid-March and Memorial Day, greenhouses and garden centers typically earn 60 to 80% of their total sales. As the owner of one greenhouse in Michigan told Crain’s Detroit Business, “We do all of our business in about eight weekends. Our whole year is 16 days. So when the governor shuts us off, she pretty much destroys my business.”
 

Corona Virus is actually saving lives..... currently statistics are showing a decrease in 1-8....
Its just how you look at them...


Not sure how that can be ??

Heart disease, cancer, How does/would the virus have a positive effect on those ? Accidents ?....yeah, OK...people are staying home,so.

Not arguing, just thinking out loud....when some questions popped into my mind.
 
Stores larger than 50,000 square feet, i.e., Walmart, Costco, etc. Not all stores that sell seeds. My understanding was that she was trying to keep people from browsing for hours in giant stores.
 
Stores larger than 50,000 square feet, i.e., Walmart, Costco, etc. Not all stores that sell seeds. My understanding was that she was trying to keep people from browsing for hours in giant stores.

If you'll read the first Forbes article, it was also dedicated nurseries and garden centers that didn't sell essential supplies such as food or medicine. So with those suppliers closed and big box garden centers closed, she pretty much shut gardening down until today's reopenings.
 
So many sides, views with so many different people. People talking about changes in their lives, what they are willing to give up to make a difference. And from all over the world, fantastic.
I won't get into the coronavirus, man brought this on himself.
Has anyone noticed how nature is jumping right back in?
Less smog, breathing good sort of clean air. Waters clearing in a few months, being able to see into the water. Skies clearing, no screaming planes poluting the air we breath. Being able to breath air instead of smog, polution and god knows what else. Slowing to an incredible level the fuels we pump into the air. The garbage we are killing the oceans with.
One really foul thing I keep hearing which is " We will get back to where we were" which is reallly stupid.
I don't think we are as smart as some say we are or could be. We are working to get back into slowly killing our home and ourselves.
I have had my say, I am done with this.
I intend to do my best towards what I think we should be doing.
 
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I think therefore I am but I try not to complain. Actually when you are high you notice things more and you realize complaining isn't going to get you anywhere, so just enjoy the high. Hee hee
 
Heart disease, cancer, How does/would the virus have a positive effect on those
Its a tongue in check jab at the way people can look at the numbers...
If you test positive, Or even in a case I personally know of even negative....TWICE....
YOU DIED FROM COVID.... Not the Cancer, Heart attack, other disorder... or even a few cases.... ACCIDENT....
NYC went back and added 7000+ deaths just because....
 
Its a tongue in check jab at the way people can look at the numbers...
If you test positive, Or even in a case I personally know of even negative....TWICE....
YOU DIED FROM COVID.... Not the Cancer, Heart attack, other disorder... or even a few cases.... ACCIDENT....
NYC went back and added 7000+ deaths just because....

You need my old standby. :)

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Oh, just as you first claim (or strongly suggest) that you are being deprived of your Constitutional rights, and then when asked about it, you back off with some nonsense about living in a state where you are not deprived of your rights, but other people have. Pretty slippery.

Maybe, instead of relying on innuendo, sneering, and false claims (er, who does that sound like?) you should stick to the facts?

Also, since this thread started out with your claim that this was your "last thought" about this situation, I have to wonder if you know the meaning of the word "last!" 😄
 
OK, here's MY last thought on this: I feel sorry for the people (and their families) who are continuing to contract this killer of a disease due to the stubborn, politically motivated behavior of those who refuse to see what is clearly in front of them.
 
We did have churches open in my community. There were NO services but people could go to the church, go inside and pray by themselves. In other words the buildings were open. I'm not sure anymore. We are under the most serious lockdown now. I'm going to leave the state if I can for a while. Businesses are closing everywhere, stores are depleted of food, mayors of towns are forcing people to wear masks but you never know which or when until you get there.

It's impossible to live anymore. It's best to just go if you can.
 
One big issue with any discussion of COVID19 is that all of the data is at best suspect. How many folks have had it? We don't know. How many that have it have been hospitalized? We don't know. How many have died from it? We don't know. How does the US response measure up to other advanced nations (Sweden for example)? We don't know, since their numbers are as iffy as ours.

It seems to me the appropriate response is to let folks gather as they please, do business as they please, but make folks aware of the risks as best we can, and let the people decide. People will adjust their behavior based on what is happening. Since my SO and I are both at risk, we would largely stay home. My healthy 20 something grandsons, maybe not so much. I just don't think Gov. Dewine (Ohio) should get to decide what is and what isn't "essential". Let me decide for me, and you can decide for you.
 
My last thought is people are relatively OK with the seriousness of the Corona virus, but being made to feel too scared or it's too much trouble for others if you go out will eventually make people melt down.

I went off on wearing masks and one way aisles. That was my breaking point. Others it's something different. We all have that thing that puts us over the edge and there is nothing wrong with being upset about it.

No one wants us angry because of fear of losing control, but they can go suck an egg. I'll be angry until I'm worn out or don't have to be, whichever comes first.
 
One big issue with any discussion of COVID19 is that all of the data is at best suspect. How many folks have had it? We don't know. How many that have it have been hospitalized? We don't know. How many have died from it? We don't know. How does the US response measure up to other advanced nations (Sweden for example)? We don't know, since their numbers are as iffy as ours.

It seems to me the appropriate response is to let folks gather as they please, do business as they please, but make folks aware of the risks as best we can, and let the people decide. People will adjust their behavior based on what is happening. Since my SO and I are both at risk, we would largely stay home. My healthy 20 something grandsons, maybe not so much. I just don't think Gov. Dewine (Ohio) should get to decide what is and what isn't "essential". Let me decide for me, and you can decide for you.


A friend works at H/Depot, I asked why they were permitted to be open?....He said they were deemed "essential".......Why?...what is essential about remodeling the kitchen if we are all standing a large chance of dying by disease?.........Much akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic is it not?
 
A friend works at H/Depot, I asked why they were permitted to be open?....He said they were deemed "essential".......Why?...what is essential about remodeling the kitchen if we are all standing a large chance of dying by disease?.........Much akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic is it not?
Home Depot sells candy, water & soda. Some have a popcorn machine. So...technically, they sell food & drinks. :)
 
Home Depot sells candy, water & soda. Some have a popcorn machine. So...technically, they sell food & drinks. Every store that wants to stay open should put a candy display in it. Hey....don't bars have bowls of popcorn & peanuts on the counters? :)
 
Home Depot sells candy, water & soda. Some have a popcorn machine. So...technically, they sell food & drinks. :)

Well, maybe that's it 😉

I just hear the officials/powers that be....speaking out of both side of their mouths. Typical of most everything, including the law. A regular guy trying to just make it/get along is hampered / limited by this or that. But the movers & shakers ?.......whole different set of X's & O's.
 
Our local, small town, Ace Hardware is open (in Ohio). I think home repair items are considered essential. As they should be.


Well.......not arguing, I just see it differently I guess........Hard to think, that essential repairs are needed everyday .

Most people coming into the store, [as per my friend] are not shopping for "essential" needs. Matter of fact, he says most folks that he talks to [plumbing dept] say they just needed to get out of the house/apt.

Now do not get me wrong....I think that's fine but......why is the local bar/tavern closed? or the local pizza......carryout only? The local park for cryin' out loud....it's outdoors.....

So we are just reduced to "pretending" to need a "P" trap just to maintain out sanity?
 


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