National guard troops to the border

With respect, Traveler, given the strength of your convictions, and your desire for change, I am surprised you are not running for office in some capacity. It would seem to be a logical segue.
 

Shalimar said:
With respect, Traveler, given the strength of your convictions, and your desire for change, I am surprised you are not running for office in some capacity. It would seem to be a logical segue.
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It would be a waste of time. It's a rigged system. The group I'd be fighting against would drive me nuts. Just seeing a photo of some of those "Kool-ade" drinkers upsets me. All of those "Kool-ade" drinkers are nothing more than.... Oops, I almost said it.

Besides, the damage is done. The cancer has metastasized. America is on life support and we are just waiting for death to put us out of our misery.
 
Traveler said:
It would be a waste of time. It's a rigged system. The group I'd be fighting against would drive me nuts. .
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but we want you on that wall

we neeeeeed you on that wall

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chic said:
It's rumored that's what they're planning to do.
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About time, we have been under a "silent" invasion of sorts for decades. All tongue-in-cheek humor aside, that sounds about what I would expect from our liberal media... talk about a disgusting situation. Our liberal media may be the biggest threat our country has ever seen. And I say that because they seem intent to lie, misinform, brainwash, etc, in an effort to destroy this country at any and every opportunity.
 
Traveler said:
I hope everyone knows what an "anchor baby" is.
If not, it works like this, A Mexican woman who is late term pregnant, gets a temporary visitor visa and her "visits" her sister, brother, cousin, or friend etc. When it is time, she goes to the hospital to have her baby. Never pays, of course. The baby, naturally, automatically becomes an American citizen by virtue of being born in the U.S.

Mother and baby return to Mexico and wait until baby is 18. At that age he/she is automatically granted entry back into the U.S. He/she gets a job and then turns around and applies for a permanent visa for mom. Together they apply for visas for the rest of the family (one by one). soon the entire family is living in the U.S. And so it continues. Soon, like in California, there are more Mexicans than all the other groups combined. Last month on the news it was officially announced that Mexicans comprised 51% of the states population.

Signed, A resident of Mexico Del Norte
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"Anchor babies"... if I'm remembering my history lessons correctly they are misusing the 14th amendment that was enacted after the civil war to make it clear that the freed slaves were citizens of this country. It was never intended to be used as a loop hole for orderly immigration laws/rules like it is being used today.
 
dpwspringer said:
"Anchor babies"... if I'm remembering my history lessons correctly they are misusing the 14th amendment that was enacted after the civil war to make it clear that the freed slaves were citizens of this country. It was never intended to be used as a loop hole for orderly immigration laws/rules like it is being used today.
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Your US History teacher would give you an A +...about 300,000 per year by illegal immigrants. And that's down slightly from as high as 370,000. It remains about 8% of the birth rate of the entire US population.
 
Funny, but on CNN yesterday, they had a Reporter, who spoke both English and Spanish, talking to a guy who was on the van where the immigrants escaped, but never once asked him if he wanted to become a U.S. citizen when he makes it into the U.S.. All he and she talked about was how good life was in America. He said if he was forced back to Mexico, he’d just keep trying to get back into the U.S.
 
I have an opine;

Most of what has been said here is arrogant, misguided Bee Ess

My relatives came up
Walked the desert at night
Worked jobs no others would take
Lived places no others would live
Became self-taught master carpenters
Built businesses
They are not the exception
I worked along side illegals in Houston and border towns
I consider myself a hard worker
I wish I worked as hard as they do

No, they’re not like the Europeans and Anglos that came over, wiping out, slaughtering whole peoples, my wife’s relatives.
They just want a better life

Drug lords, smugglers? Get real.
There’s some, yes, promoted by, guess who?

Who do we think we are in this ‘free country’?

Give us your poor?

Best take that ol’ gal down while yer blowing bile
 
Catch and release

Catch and release may be an ok idea when fishing for sport but a terrible idea when it comes to illegal aliens. Last month when the 37,393 illegal aliens were caught crossing the border, most of them were returned to Mexico within a day or so.

This needs to change. I think some sort of price must be paid by the criminal aliens. I therefore suggest a new idea. Hold them is a secure compound for a minimum of 90 days. We could use the same tents and equipment used to house and feed to U.S. military when they are in the field. The major difference would be the food would not be to their liking.

Mexican are used to a steady diet if extremely highly spice foods. The food given to them could be capable of supporting life but quite bland. They would absolutely hate that. If unheated MRE's are good enough for U.S. troops then it would be good enough for the illegals. No frijoles, no chili peppers, no rice, no tortillas, no anything they really like. And, to drink ? Plain unflavored water.
 
Traveler said:
Catch and release

Catch and release may be an ok idea when fishing for sport but a terrible idea when it comes to illegal aliens. Last month when the 37,393 illegal aliens were caught crossing the border, most of them were returned to Mexico within a day or so.

This needs to change. I think some sort of price must be paid by the criminal aliens. I therefore suggest a new idea. Hold them is a secure compound for a minimum of 90 days. We could use the same tents and equipment used to house and feed to U.S. military when they are in the field. The major difference would be the food would not be to their liking.

Mexican are used to a steady diet if extremely highly spice foods. The food given to them could be capable of supporting life but quite bland. They would absolutely hate that. If unheated MRE's are good enough for U.S. troops then it would be good enough for the illegals. No frijoles, no chili peppers, no rice, no tortillas, no anything they really like. And, to drink ? Plain unflavored water.
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Are you in favour of also punishing the children? No milk for babies etc? That would be unconscionable.
 
For some of the manufacturing companies I have worked for, especially in Santa Ana, California, most likely some of the Injection Molding Machines were operated by illegals, but I really didn't pay any attention. Did learn some, but only some, Spanish from them. Heck, there is a carburetor company that does re-manufacturing of carburetor's, where we bought our boat carburetor from, that I guarantee there are illegals working there. At least from what I seen sitting outside at lunch one time.

BUT, will still say that something needs to be done about this major problem of illegal immigration. What I still don't know and nobody seems to want to talk about it, is..............why don't these people want to become citizens???? Other nationalities do, but a lot of folks up here from South America don't. Reason???
 
Shalimar said:
Are you in favour of also punishing the children? No milk for babies etc? That would be unconscionable.
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Thing is here, you think with your "heart" and he thinks with his "brain". IOW, he's more of a "realist", like myself. One thing for sure, thinking only with the "heart", isn't always a good thing.

My wife just told me this morning, "In dealing with many things, I think much more with my heart than I do with my brain". I agreed. For me, it's the brain more than the heart. We make a great couple.
 
Traveler said:
Catch and release

Catch and release may be an ok idea when fishing for sport but a terrible idea when it comes to illegal aliens. Last month when the 37,393 illegal aliens were caught crossing the border, most of them were returned to Mexico within a day or so.

This needs to change. I think some sort of price must be paid by the criminal aliens. I therefore suggest a new idea. Hold them is a secure compound for a minimum of 90 days. We could use the same tents and equipment used to house and feed to U.S. military when they are in the field. The major difference would be the food would not be to their liking.

Mexican are used to a steady diet if extremely highly spice foods. The food given to them could be capable of supporting life but quite bland. They would absolutely hate that. If unheated MRE's are good enough for U.S. troops then it would be good enough for the illegals. No frijoles, no chili peppers, no rice, no tortillas, no anything they really like. And, to drink ? Plain unflavored water.
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Concentration camps are not a new idea.

In Australia, they call them immigration detention facilities.

I would hope that the United States learned its lesson about internment camps when they herded Americans of Japanese descent into them during WWII.

I can't imagine what horrors it takes for a person to finally decide to cash in everything they have and leave their birthplace in search of a safe place to live and raise their family. IMO the developed nations of the world should be helping these people get on their feet and start a new productive life instead of terrorizing them and treating them like vermin. It seems like a sad, endless and futile war between the haves and the have-nots.
 
Shalimar said:
Are you in favour of also punishing the children? No milk for babies etc? That would be unconscionable.
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It is also important to consider the life the child was leading before they were stopped while crossing the border.

They probably were not eating the best of food (if at all) or getting fresh milk to drink on the trek either; so it is not like these children would be being denied something that they had been already having as they were illegally coming across the border.
Life would probably be even worse for these children if they were not found and stopped, regardless of whether they were held here or deported back into Mexico again.
Many of the illegals who do come across into the US then die in the desert, and it is a long and horrible death, and one that is imposed upon the children by their parents bringing them across illegally.
Those people would be happy to be found and detained or deported at that point; and what Traveler is suggesting is in no way cruel to the illegals, just a deterrent so that they do not come right back through the border.

I am not sure that detaining these people for illegally crossing the border would work; but I see no reason why it would not be legal or ethical to do so.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Thing is here, you think with your "heart" and he thinks with his "brain". IOW, he's more of a "realist", like myself. One thing for sure, thinking only with the "heart", isn't always a good thing.

My wife just told me this morning, "In dealing with many things, I think much more with my heart than I do with my brain". I agreed. For me, it's the brain more than the heart. We make a great couple.
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With respect, I disagree. In my line of work, you see so much death and suffering that if you cannot keep a sense of detachment you will be destroyed. I can be a hard core realist when required, but some things are just immoral. Cruelty to children is one of them. No person of faith could countenance such a horror.
 
Aunt Bea said:
Concentration camps are not a new idea.

In Australia, they call them immigration detention facilities.

I would hope that the United States learned its lesson about internment camps when they herded Americans of Japanese descent into them during WWII.

I can't imagine what horrors it takes for a person to finally decide to cash in everything they have and leave their birthplace in search of a safe place to live and raise their family. IMO the developed nations of the world should be helping these people get on their feet and start a new productive life instead of terrorizing them and treating them like vermin. It seems like a sad, endless and futile war between the haves and the have-nots.
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Beautifully put. I salute your humanity.
 
How babies became the reason for people to be accepted even though illegal makes no sense. The thought that it would be immoral to deny entry shouldn't be thrust on America. Place the blame for lack of morality on the parents that produced children that would grow up in poverty & the conditions they knew were present.
 
Aunt Bea said:
Concentration camps are not a new idea.

In Australia, they call them immigration detention facilities.

I would hope that the United States learned its lesson about internment camps when they herded Americans of Japanese descent into them during WWII.

I can't imagine what horrors it takes for a person to finally decide to cash in everything they have and leave their birthplace in search of a safe place to live and raise their family. IMO the developed nations of the world should be helping these people get on their feet and start a new productive life instead of terrorizing them and treating them like vermin. It seems like a sad, endless and futile war between the haves and the have-nots.
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Perhaps you are suggesting that we throw open the borders ? Come one, come all ? Would that make you happy. ?
 
Shalimar said:
You assume correctly. My children were breast fed. Perhaps you are unaware of the extra nutritional needs of a lactating mother? Without them her milk dries up. Stress also can stop lactation.
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Oh, Please . Give me a freakin' break. Do you have any idea, any idea at all, what those people eat in their OWN countries ? I guarantee that MRE's are very high calories foods and are much more nutritional than they are used to. I didn't say a word about starving anyone. I said a bland diet.

Come on down here and I'll show you 2 year old babies eating raw red radishes.

What I think you have in mind is housing the illegals in a tropical resort with 5 star cuisine, prepared by master chefs, so the mothers are not "SRESSED OUT". That seems to be the only thing which would satisfy you.
 
Traveler said:
Perhaps you are suggesting that we throw open the borders ? Come one, come all ? Would that make you happy. ?
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It always seems to go from one extreme to another with no reasonable sustainable solution.

I believe that we should weed out the criminals and turn them back.

I think that we should work with the countries that these people come from and try to help resolve the issues that cause them to come to the United States.

I think that we should be able to work with honest hardworking poor people by issuing a work visa and helping them relocate to an area of the United States or Canada where they can find employment, make a decent life and eventually become citizens.

The selfish fact of life is that we need these people if we expect to maintain our standard of living.

It seems to me that the massive amounts of money that we spend trying to stop these people would be better spent helping them and us build a better life.
 
The people of Central America are breeding like rabbits. How is that the fault or responsibility of America? Oh, I forgot, bleeding hearts don't believe in personal responsibility.
 

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