Natural immunity fared better against the Delta variant compared to the vaxxes

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Shero said:
That is not your problem Rah Rah. It is up to the management to decide what, not you.

It goes like this: the anti vaxxers put up their misinformation and it is up to vaxers like me, to blow them out of the water.

All good fun !!!
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I don't consider it fun, but I appreciate your point of view and your posts.
 

dseag2 said:
Well, that person was Becky and from what I've seen she very rarely participates in threads other than those about Covid so that tells me everything I need to know.
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And like I explained to her , I was not directly pointing a finger at her. I am saying this in general and not saying one side is worse than another. Both sides participate in this so it is not one sided.
 
Shero said:
Why are you fanning a fire deseag 🔥🔥
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I guess I got bored after all this time of trying to be nice. ;) But really, I hate seeing new members become discouraged because of negativity and catty comments. I was there a few months ago but fortunately I stayed long enough to overlook it and consider the source.
 
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Rah-Rah said:
I am not pointing a finger directly at you and I totally agree with you that this sort of stuff comes from both sides. Just this particularly thread happened to be on one side.

Like I have stated before and I will state over and over again anyone can have their own opinion. Whatever that opinion is it is not going to change, effect or do anything to my opinion no matter theories they happen to post or come up with, facts they posts or whatever they hear on the news or Social Media. This goes for both sides. I will make my decision certainly not from what others are posting on a forum whichever side they are posting from. Now if someone is posting something that is blatantly untrue then i will do my best to find facts to dispute that. As for opinions if masks work or not or if the vaccines do or don't work , I will make that decision on my own and not from others from a forum.
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True each person has made up their mind to do what is best for them as it should be. I've never tried to change anyone's mind, I've only stated my opinions.

I also will post articles that give correct information whenever I come across false or misinformation, example, it has been repeated by a member that if your vaccinated you will not die. The truth is vaccinated people have died.
 
Debster said:
Foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks?!

Alas, numerous studies have shown masks to be completely ineffective against viruses. They have done FAR more harm than good.To children learning social skills for sure but also to adults. Most people are not aware, but the whites of eyes contain the *exact* same substance as the one in nasal lining and in lungs that attracts and binds to covid!! The government knows this but never said a word about it because they now use iris scanning to identify people. Masks are just virtue signaling theater and a sign of obedience. Don't be fooled! Even the government nhs website has a study on n95 masks showing they are ineffective against viruses. Masks are the worst thing to come out of this scamdemic. I kid you not.
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So not true!!
 
WhatInThe said:
Natural immunity fared better against the Delta variant compared to the vaxxes.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

Much data from California and NY during the Delta surge
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Natural immunity? I think I'll just stick with Vaxxes and boosters. It's possible that an initial Covid infection (from which you survived) "might" be a bit more effective in preventing a re-infection than a vaccine, but if you are vaccinated and boosted up front your chances of Not contracting Covid in the first place are MUCH greater.
 
Debster said:
There are so many studies showing how useless masks are to prevent disease, while being extremely harmful, especially to children, that it is surprising people still don't know. Here is one from msn even. But just go to a noncensored website like duckduckgo and search. Also gab or gettr, telegram etc. The mainstream media, though now finally changing their tune, have proven to be outright liars. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...he-best-studies-suggest-they-don-t/ar-AANfurl
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I did some research on this a while back, and posted what I found then. I tried to look to peer reviewed epidemiological studies, not news reports or opinions. What I found was that the answer is not clear. It does appear that if people who are sick wear a mask they are less likely to spread the virus, or any airborne disease. The evidence showing the protective effect on well people was less clear, there seemed some evidence that masks could help, but not a whole lot. I could find nothing indicating harm of masks.

Wish the answer was clearer, but its not and that's often the way of the world. I wear a mask when asked, and on occasion when not, but I don't get obsessive with it one way or the other. I live in a rural area where masks are rarely seen.

I know some masks are better than others at filtration, but that is not the whole story. Dispersing breath and just impaction rather than filtration can be beneficial in lowering exposure. Part of why I think the epidemiological studies are more informative, rather than looking at the mechanisms of how masks work or don't they look at the question as to if people who mask are less likely to spread or get the virus. However the epidemiological studies are more expensive, take longer, and can be harder to interpret, so they are not as common.
 
Becky1951 said:
True each person has made up their mind to do what is best for them as it should be. I've never tried to change anyone's mind, I've only stated my opinions.

I also will post articles that give correct information whenever I come across false or misinformation, example, it has been repeated by a member that if your vaccinated you will not die. The truth is vaccinated people have died.
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I agree, that vaccinated people do die and die of Covid. I am scared the side effects that this medications could have on me, but I am equally if not more scared of contracting this virus without being protected at all. It is also a fact that many more people who are unvaccinated who contract the virus and especially this new variant has much worse symptoms. So once again it comes down to what your choice is and what becomes important to you.
 
Rah-Rah said:
I agree, that vaccinated people do die and die of Covid. I am scared the side effects that this medications could have on me, but I am equally if not more scared of contracting this virus without being protected at all. It is also a fact that many more people who are unvaccinated who contract the virus and especially this new variant has much worse symptoms. So once again it comes down to what your choice is and what becomes important to you.
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"especially this new variant has much worse symptoms"

Do you mean Omicron?

It had mild symptoms.
 
Debster said:
There are so many studies showing how useless masks are to prevent disease, while being extremely harmful, especially to children, that it is surprising people still don't know. Here is one from msn even. But just go to a noncensored website like duckduckgo and search. Also gab or gettr, telegram etc. The mainstream media, though now finally changing their tune, have proven to be outright liars. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...he-best-studies-suggest-they-don-t/ar-AANfurl
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children are not adept at social distancing so a mask provides some level of protection ,at least.
 
There are several things to look at when talking about the vaccines. One major stance is you feel that you get the vaccine and get the best possible coverage from the virus that you can get or you do not get the vaccine because of the unawareness of the side effects down the road. Both stances are valid for sure and do take a lot of research among the part of each person involved making the decision. Ultimately that said person will come to that decision hopefully on their own and not because of any political agenda because this whole thing is a health issue and not political although many are making it as such. In the end each person should come up with an educated decision, but that does not mean that if the next person differs from your decision they are wrong. They are only doing what they feel is right for them. And this is exactly why all the bickering and boasting on both sides is meaningless.
 
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Charry do you have a clue what Marian Turski was talking about??? He is describing how the Jews were rounded up in Poland and sent to the concentration camps.

For your information, there has been no opposition by Jews about the vaccine. They praise it. The vaccine was developed mainly by Jewish scientists.

Always good to check what you are posting before you post it.
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Shero said:
Charry do you have a clue what Marian Turski was talking about???
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Whooshhhhhhh, right over your head. :rolleyes:
Charry does, but you don't. 😋 Which is not surprising. 😋

Rah-Rah said:
It is also a fact that many more people who are unvaccinated who contract the virus and especially this new variant has much worse symptoms.
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Wrong!
That's simply your uninformed opinion, probably based on mainstream propaganda, not a fact.
You're accusing people who are much healthier than you of making bad decisions, which is not a logical thing to do.
For example, I'm much healthier than you are, don't wear a mask, haven't gotten any shots, and I'm not concerned with a virus.

@Rah-Rah, so your husband has been indoctrinated by and works for big pharma, and that's your argument?
@Alligatorob, the CDC and mainstream media are controlled by big pharma, so they're posting the same propaganda.

Believe them if you want. It's your decision and your life. Personally, I care about mine.

@Shero: Indeed, the same shot that was already killing people and continues to kill more of them.
 
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John cycling said:
Whooshhhhhhh, right over your head. :rolleyes:
Charry does, but you don't. 😋 Which is not surprising. 😋



Wrong! That's simply your uninformed opinion, not a fact. Where exactly do you get your information from anyway. :rolleyes:
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My husband is an Anesthesiologist and has worked in a hospital during this entire pandemic and has seen the influx especially during the recent variants of people who have not been vaccinated having to be hospitalized due to the severity of their cases compared to those who were vaccinated who were treated and discharged to recover at home with less severe symptoms.

Once again this is one of those things that can go back and forth with no accomplishment at all so this conversation should just end right here.
 

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