Newsweek reports United States is the 2nd most hated country in the world

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January said:
Can't tell the difference between gun deaths in civilan life and armed conflict in war and accuses me of not getting nuance. Too funny. :ROFLMAO:
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There you go again, completely dodging the principle being discussed and instead you take a cheap shot, then throw in a smug emoji like that seals the deal. Oh well, that being said, I can tell the difference just fine. I can also tell the difference between a real argument and a knee-jerk deflection wrapped in sarcasm and emojis. The principle still stands, no matter how many times you try to laugh your way around it: armed force can and does stop armed threats. Whether it’s a soldier on a battlefield or a civilian in a supermarket, the outcome, LIVES SAVED, is what matters. Sorry if that kind of nuance ruins the punchline for you.
 

Teacher Terry said:
Obviously you have never researched how difficult it is to move to another country. Often impossible unless you have substantial financial assets. My kids are older adults that need to make a living and have their own lives.

Only one of them lives abroad but I’m glad that one of the others can move if necessary. Of course we are still hopeful that congress will stop this along with the courts and it’s still possible.

Besides financial concerns you need to be able to speak the language of a country you move to if you want to have any kind of decent life. The chances that all of us will ever live in the same country is slim.

Once retired Medicare doesn’t cover you outside of the USA. I still consult and have friends as well as my dogs. I wouldn’t be surprised if they change the rules so you can’t collect SS if you don’t live here. Most countries require pets to have a lengthy quarantine period. Mine wouldn’t survive that.

This country has always had its problems but never before was our democracy at risk in my lifetime. Laws are being violated by the government and people are being taken off the streets with no due process. People that speak out against the government are being threatened. Because all our data has been compromised the government can mark you dead in the social security database and then you can’t access your bank accounts, etc.

Tourism is decreasing because of what border control has done to foreign tourists such as people visiting or living here on green cards from Germany, Australia, Canada, etc. I don’t think that people from other countries hate the average American but it’s getting to be known that this country may not be safe to visit at the present time.
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I am fully aware of how difficult it is to move to another country. But you seem distraught and if it were to come down to living in a country where you feel your life is threaten and in danger, then you should find a way to leave instead of living in misery.

Here is a little anecdote for you. I worked with many immigrants back in the 90s in an entry level job. One man from China came with his wife and 1 son with $50 in his pocket. They worked several jobs and struggled with English but did the best they could and had decent employment. Also had a 2nd child, a daughter, one of the reasons why they left China at the time, so they could have another child.

I worked with both the husband and wife and I would ask them many questions to try to understand why they came to the US. Another girl I worked with at the same job left Vietnam in her early 20s. All 3 of these people referred to their migration from China and Vietnam as "escaping" their countries. Not leaving for a better life BUT escaping. They were serious people, work hard, not overly dramatic so I believed them they said they were escaping.

Here is another little interesting tidbit. I worked with several women from India and Pakistan. One woman I was friends with had a baby daughter. We got to talking about their traditions for girls, one tradition is to shave the baby girls head at a certain point, etc etc. One day she tells me that her and husband would have to bring their daughter back home to India because and I quote, "there is too much freedom in the US, especially for women".

Enough said since I know this will fall on deaf ears for those who do not wish to listen.

Maybe try being more positive and count your blessings. It will help your mental well being a lot more than worrying over what may or may not happen with the current state of affairs in the US.
 
UpstateGal said:
I am fully aware of how difficult it is to move to another country. But you seem distraught and if it were to come down to living in a country where you feel your life is threaten and in danger, then you should find a way to leave instead of living in misery.

Here is a little anecdote for you. I worked with many immigrants back in the 90s in an entry level job. One man from China came with his wife and 1 son with $50 in his pocket. They worked several jobs and struggled with English but did the best they could and had decent employment. Also had a 2nd child, a daughter, one of the reasons why they left China at the time, so they could have another child.

I worked with both the husband and wife and I would ask them many questions to try to understand why they came to the US. Another girl I worked with at the same job left Vietnam in her early 20s. All 3 of these people referred to their migration from China and Vietnam as "escaping" their countries. Not leaving for a better life BUT escaping. They were serious people, work hard, not overly dramatic so I believed them they said they were escaping.

Here is another little interesting tidbit. I worked with several women from India and Pakistan. One woman I was friends with had a baby daughter. We got to talking about their traditions for girls, one tradition is to shave the baby girls head at a certain point, etc etc. One day she tells me that her and husband would have to bring their daughter back home to India because and I quote, "there is too much freedom in the US, especially for women".

Enough said since I know this will fall on deaf ears for those who do not wish to listen.

Maybe try being more positive and count your blessings. It will help your mental well being a lot more than worrying over what may or may not happen with the current state of affairs in the US.
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I’m not distraught but I’m not happy about my country being destroyed. I’m not living in misery. I have a big social network that will do anything for me plus my kids are here. I still work consulting. While I’m not leaving I’m glad that my kids can if it becomes necessary.

I and everyone I know are demonstrating and calling our representatives on a daily basis. All Americans need to take action before it’s too late. Personally I’m not in a group that’s likely to be persecuted but I know people that are. In general I have a very positive outlook on life but I’m not going to be in denial about what’s happening in the USA. That would be ignorant and foolish.
 

Teacher Terry said:
I’m not distraught but I’m not happy about my country being destroyed. I’m not living in misery. I have a big social network that will do anything for me plus my kids are here. I still work consulting. While I’m not leaving I’m glad that my kids can if it becomes necessary.

I and everyone I know are demonstrating and calling our representatives on a daily basis. All Americans need to take action before it’s too late. Personally I’m not in a group that’s likely to be persecuted but I know people that are. In general I have a very positive outlook on life but I’m not going to be in denial about what’s happening in the USA. That would be ignorant and foolish.
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I am sincerely happy to hear you're not distraught and doing what you believe is the right thing as an American citizen.
 
Who_so_ever said:
Can one be lead to believe that our guns is what makes people hate America? lol
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sure sure guns are everywhere in most countries we still have legitimate [and a few of those others] in Oz - guns will imo never not exist - the real issue is " gun access and gun control" and they go together?
 
Teacher Terry said:
I’m not distraught but I’m not happy about my country being destroyed. I’m not living in misery.

I and everyone I know are demonstrating and calling our representatives on a daily basis. All Americans need to take action before it’s too late.
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I'm missing something. I wasn't aware that our country is being destroyed. Can you share why you think that?

To late? Maybe you can explain.
 
smiley said:
sure sure guns are everywhere in most countries we still have legitimate [and a few of those others] in Oz - guns will imo never not exist - the real issue is " gun access and gun control" and they go together?
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well there ya go again then guns in universities and people killed - do you wonder why this is rare say in Oz or Uk - less universities??
 
oslooskar said:
There you go again, completely dodging the principle being discussed and instead you take a cheap shot, then throw in a smug emoji like that seals the deal. Oh well, that being said, I can tell the difference just fine. I can also tell the difference between a real argument and a knee-jerk deflection wrapped in sarcasm and emojis. The principle still stands, no matter how many times you try to laugh your way around it: armed force can and does stop armed threats. Whether it’s a soldier on a battlefield or a civilian in a supermarket, the outcome, LIVES SAVED, is what matters. Sorry if that kind of nuance ruins the punchline for you.
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I disagree

. More people with more guns against other people with more guns isn't working to save more lives in civilian life.
Obviously not or US wouldn't have gun deaths stats they do.

Feel free to post further about how armed conflicts in war and people shopping in supermarkets is same thing

And I like emojis - here are a few more. o_O :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes::whistle:

You can comment on them too if you wish. I am disengaging.no point repeating over and over.
feel free to have last word.
 
January said:
I disagree More people with more guns against other people with more guns isn't working to save more lives in civilian life. Obviously not or US wouldn't have gun deaths stats they do. Feel free to post further about how armed conflicts in war and people shopping in supermarkets is same thing And I like emojis - here are a few more. o_O :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes::whistle:
You can comment on them too if you wish. I am disengaging.no point repeating over and over. feel free to have last word.
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Disengaging? That’s one way to avoid addressing the argument. But do run with emojis if they help distract from the fact that you’ve sidestepped every point I made. Just remember, smug laughter doesn’t counter facts, and your repeated refusal to engage with the principle only proves you couldn’t refute it. That’s usually when people hit the eject button. Thanks for the emojis, though, they pair nicely with evasions.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I didn't say a laughing emoji was against the rules of this forum. It isn't. Feel free to use it.

You weren't under attack. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned your sensitivity in my previous post, but you and I both know it's true. Is sensitivity a negative attribute, or is it better to be domineering and uncaring of others, acting superior, and advising them to leave their country? [I don't expect or want an answer; the question speaks for itself.]

After all, you did post something which evidenced your sensitivity, to the point of acknowledging it, here, where you wrote, "I am just going to make this a "spectator sport" and just hit the like button and stick to the cat, dog and word game threads." [Even though you wrote that, you quickly broke away from it.] I answered that post, and told you, "I don't let it bother me. No matter what any of us say, there will be some who go against it."

UpstateGal, you are free to express your views, the same as everyone else. You shouldn't let the forum stress you out so much.

I don't need an ignore button. I'm quite capable of ignoring you without one, so we can agree between us that is what we will both do.
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I wasn't going to address this post of yours. But you made too many assumptions about my personality based on my posts.

What disturbs me the most is your comment, "but you and I both know it's true". You don't know me in real life and people are much more multi faceted than their internet presence. Enough said.
 
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oslooskar said:
I moved to Thailand on February 14, 2019 and I have a Non-Immigrant O-A visa that I have to renew every year.
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my daughter in law is Thai national - her children half Thais - they all move in and out of Thailand whenever including my son - if you wanna become Thai it is a little bit more difficult - requires several operations and a language training course?? - life is never always too easy??
 
smiley said:
my daughter in law is Thai national - her children half Thais - they all move in and out of Thailand whenever including my son - if you wanna become Thai it is a little bit more difficult - requires several operations and a language training course?? - life is never always too easy??
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My son has both Thai and American citizenship and passports, so I am familiar with how things work here. That being said, I have no intentions of giving up my American citizenship.
 
officerripley said:
Me too. Like I saw on a protest sign: "American patriots don't wave the Confederate or Nazi flags. We had 2 wars about this and you're 0-2."
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I’ve got no issue with calling out the Nazi flag, there’s no defending that. However, throwing the Confederate flag into the same basket is historically tone-deaf and, frankly, offensive to people like my great-great-grandfather who fought under it. He wasn’t fighting for slavery or to destroy the country, he was defending his home state of Mississippi from an invading army.

Unlike Union soldiers, who marched into the South, often through towns and farms that had nothing to do with politics or plantations, my ancestor stayed to protect what was his. He didn’t go north to burn cities or seize land. He fought because his state was being attacked. So, slogans like “0–2” might get applause from people who’ve never looked deeper than a protest sign, but they flatten a complex war into a cartoon. History isn’t black and white, and trying to score cheap points by rewriting it does a disservice to the memories of the people who lived and died in it.
 
oslooskar said:
I’ve got no issue with calling out the Nazi flag, there’s no defending that. However, throwing the Confederate flag into the same basket is historically tone-deaf and, frankly, offensive to people like my great-great-grandfather who fought under it. He wasn’t fighting for slavery or to destroy the country, he was defending his home state of Mississippi from an invading army. Unlike Union soldiers, who marched into the South, often through towns and farms that had nothing to do with politics or plantations, my ancestor stayed to protect what was his. He didn’t go north to burn cities or seize land. He fought because his state was being attacked. So, slogans like “0–2” might get applause from people who’ve never looked deeper than a protest sign, but they flatten a complex war into a cartoon. History isn’t black and white, and trying to score cheap points by rewriting it does a disservice to the memories of the people who lived and died in it.
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You're right about history being complicated, but slavery is offensive in any way you look at it.
 
oslooskar said:
I’ve got no issue with calling out the Nazi flag, there’s no defending that. However, throwing the Confederate flag into the same basket is historically tone-deaf and, frankly, offensive to people like my great-great-grandfather who fought under it.
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Sadly, folks broadbrush things and miss some of the reasons the war came to be. Not that I agree with slavery, at all.
oslooskar said:
He wasn’t fighting for slavery or to destroy the country, he was defending his home state of Mississippi from an invading army. Unlike Union soldiers, who marched into the South, often through towns and farms that had nothing to do with politics or plantations, my ancestor stayed to protect what was his. He didn’t go north to burn cities or seize land. He fought because his state was being attacked.
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I would do the same. Invading a person's land, seizing their belongings for a fight I didn't ask for or have part in.... yes. It's sad that so many who were backed into a corner are now painted as slave owners or racist, etc. People jump to conclusions.
oslooskar said:
So, slogans like “0–2” might get applause from people who’ve never looked deeper than a protest sign, but they flatten a complex war into a cartoon. History isn’t black and white, and trying to score cheap points by rewriting it does a disservice to the memories of the people who lived and died in it.
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Amen
 

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