Next week England will begin jabbing 5-11 year olds.

[win231]

By chance are you a Doctor or a Retired Doctor or a Medical Expert in the field of Infectious Diseases?

Your question reminds me of a time years ago when TV Repairmen made house calls. They'd pick up your TV, take it to their shop & bring it back repaired.
One electrician picked up our TV & when he brought it back, I turned it on & the picture was still bad. I showed him the picture & he asked me, "Are you an electrician?"
I said, "No, but I don't have to be; I have two eyes that work fine & I can see that you didn't repair it."

Thinkers use logic - which doesn't require a degree.

 

[chic]

Here is huge problem that we have in just these last two posts that I read and I do not like to point out people directly, but here I will do so.

#1 over reaction and yelling at someone should never happen. Sure Covid has caused the death of many people in the world and that is horrible. I believe everyone is aware of that. There is no need to yell at somewhat over that.

#2 misrepresentation of some facts. Covid has been around way before Covid was a huge issue in this world and has been researched as such not for just weeks but for many years. So to think that all these vaccines came out of research in weeks is not true at all.

I think the bottom line with all of this is people need to just start looking at this and judging it for themselves what they want to do and leave it at that. They need to leave the other person out of it and the confrontations and just stick to their plan of action.

The so called vaccines, mRNA technology, has been around for some time but not intended to treat aerosol viruses through mass inoculations of entire populations as we are seeing.

It's not the same as vaccines of old at all. This "vaccine" is more of a gene therapy whose name was changed to make it more appealing to the masses.

 

[win231]

Here is huge problem that we have in just these last two posts that I read and I do not like to point out people directly, but here I will do so.

#1 over reaction and yelling at someone should never happen. Sure Covid has caused the death of many people in the world and that is horrible. I believe everyone is aware of that. There is no need to yell at somewhat over that.

#2 misrepresentation of some facts. Covid has been around way before Covid was a huge issue in this world and has been researched as such not for just weeks but for many years. So to think that all these vaccines came out of research in weeks is not true at all.

I think the bottom line with all of this is people need to just start looking at this and judging it for themselves what they want to do and leave it at that. They need to leave the other person out of it and the confrontations and just stick to their plan of action.

B-B-B-But some people's confidence is threatened when others don't do as they do - especially when their confidence was already shaky to begin with. That's where the anger comes from.
And, (for some people), being a put-down artist is the only way for them to feel good about themselves.

 

[Remy]

It won't be mandated where I live. Is it different in CA.?

The mandate was with my employer. When the first covid vaccine mandate (at work) went into place we lost about 5 employees. Two eventually got vaxed. Then my employer mandated the booster. I won't get another booster unless and/or until they mandate that.

 

[Silent Rose]

Your question reminds me of a time years ago when TV Repairmen made house calls. They'd pick up your TV, take it to their shop & bring it back repaired.
One electrician picked up our TV & when he brought it back, I turned it on & the picture was still bad. I showed him the picture & he asked me, "Are you an electrician?"
I said, "No, but I don't have to be; I have two eyes that work fine & I can see that you didn't repair it."

Thinkers use logic - which doesn't require a degree.

Not exactly the response I was thinking I was going to get in a story form as my question was not being some smart ass question or anything. I was honestly seriously inquiring because that is a rather bold statement you made. Regardless, from your response I get what you are saying and respect that.

B-B-B-But some people's confidence is threatened when others don't do as they do - especially when their confidence was already shaky to begin with. That's where the anger comes from.
And, (for some people), being a put-down artist is the only way for them to feel good about themselves.

But did not you just do the same thing with this said post towards the person who originally yelled by saying they were a put down artist?

 

[Silent Rose]

The so called vaccines, mRNA technology, has been around for some time but not intended to treat aerosol viruses through mass inoculations of entire populations as we are seeing.

It's not the same as vaccines of old at all. This "vaccine" is more of a gene therapy whose name was changed to make it more appealing to the masses.

But you do not not feel that they have been working on these sorts of vaccines for like you stated a "few weeks" before that and just revised things from the research that they had been doing on these sorts of vaccines all that time? That is certainly your choice to believe that and it is understandable to be concerned if you feel that way about that. I am not disputing that at all. I know if I felt that something came out without adequate research and trials done then I would be very suspect as well. So I am once again going to say this, that this is your view and it is not my place to say you are wrong. The same that I have my view on it as well.

 

[spectratg]

Just got word today that the retirement community where I live will be offering the fourth Pfizer shot (aka second booster) Friday of next week (April 7). I hope to be first in line!

We all need to do our own risk benefit analysis. So this is my decision.

 

[Warrigal]

Just got word today that the retirement community where I live will be offering the fourth Pfizer shot (aka second booster) Friday of next week (April 7). I hope to be first in line!

We all need to do our own risk benefit analysis. So this is my decision.

I will be eligible for the second booster soon and as we are moving into Winter I will line up for my 'flu booster and Covid shot as soon as my GP has them available.

After a late start the campaign to have school children 6 - 11 years vaccinated is under way. (Australia).
Schools are struggling because so many children are at home isolating and the same goes for the teaching staff. After 2 years of disruption of education, any action to bring things back to normal is important.

Preschool children are still unvaccinated.
My 2 yo great grandson has been infected but recovered well.
Both of his parents were also infected but both are fully vaccinated and had only mild symptoms.

 

[Sunny]

I don't think the second booster is available yet where I live. But there was an interesting article in the paper about it. It seemed to be saying that no one is sure when is the best time to get the second booster. Some people are waiting for a new surge, maybe next winter, when the booster will be much more needed.

If we've had both vaccine shots, plus a booster, we are pretty well protected against the life-threatening form of the disease, at least for a while. It may turn out to be a required yearly booster every winter, and people will just automatically get it yearly, as many of us do with a flu shot.

 

[Silent Rose]

I don't think the second booster is available yet where I live. But there was an interesting article in the paper about it. It seemed to be saying that no one is sure when is the best time to get the second booster. Some people are waiting for a new surge, maybe next winter, when the booster will be much more needed.

If we've had both vaccine shots, plus a booster, we are pretty well protected against the life-threatening form of the disease, at least for a while. It may turn out to be a required yearly booster every winter, and people will just automatically get it yearly, as many of us do with a flu shot.

I also live in Maryland and have not seen anything about the 2nd booster.

I also agree that this one is a wait and see for me. I also have the first two vaccines and the first booster so I feel like I am pretty covered right now. If another surge comes about than I will think about getting the 2nd booster. I also think you are correct with this becoming a yearly vaccine.

 

[spectratg]

I also live in Maryland and have not seen anything about the 2nd booster.

I also agree that this one is a wait and see for me. I also have the first two vaccines and the first booster so I feel like I am pretty covered right now. If another surge comes about than I will think about getting the 2nd booster. I also think you are correct with this becoming a yearly vaccine.

My ACTS retirement community in Maryland contracts directly with CVS for the Pfizer vaccine. As soon as the FDA approved a second booster, they were ready to start signing us up.

 

[win231]

Just got word today that the retirement community where I live will be offering the fourth Pfizer shot (aka second booster) Friday of next week (April 7). I hope to be first in line!

We all need to do our own risk benefit analysis. So this is my decision.

^^^^ Bingo. I support anyone's decision, even though I chose not to have any Covid vaccines. I drove elderly friends to get their vaccines.
It shouldn't be any different for those who do choose the vaccines, but unfortunately, it isn't. Some people need to put others down to feel good about themselves. Too bad......for them.

 

[Silent Rose]

^^^^ Bingo. I support anyone's decision, even though I chose not to have any Covid vaccines. I drove elderly friends to get their vaccines.
It shouldn't be any different for those who do choose the vaccines, but unfortunately, it isn't. Some people need to put others down to feel good about themselves. Too bad......for them.

I agree with you about helping people, but you seem to make a lot of accusations and stereotypes wrapping people into a group when that is not the case for everyone. I have chosen to receive the vaccine and booster and I also have chosen to not pass judgment on others who have not. So your statement does not include me and I imagine many others as well.

I feel these sorts of comments add just as much to the problem as anything else. If people would just accept one another's decisions and leave it be whether it is making these accusations and stereotypes that you are making or putting people down or whatever than a lot of this tension over all of this wouldn't be here.

 

[win231]

I agree with you about helping people, but you seem to make a lot of accusations and stereotypes wrapping people into a group when that is not the case for everyone. I have chosen to receive the vaccine and booster and I also have chosen to not pass judgment on others who have not. So your statement does not include me and I imagine many others as well.

I feel these sorts of comments add just as much to the problem as anything else. If people would just accept one another's decisions and leave it be whether it is making these accusations and stereotypes that you are making or putting people down or whatever than a lot of this tension over all of this wouldn't be here.

I suggest you read my comments more carefully. You'll note that I said "Some people need to put others down to feel good about themselves."
"Some" does not mean "All."
And, since you're rather new to the group, you may not have had a chance to review some posts from some members here who are the put-down artists I'm referring to.

 

[chic]

But you do not not feel that they have been working on these sorts of vaccines for like you stated a "few weeks" before that and just revised things from the research that they had been doing on these sorts of vaccines all that time? That is certainly your choice to believe that and it is understandable to be concerned if you feel that way about that. I am not disputing that at all. I know if I felt that something came out without adequate research and trials done then I would be very suspect as well. So I am once again going to say this, that this is your view rand it is not my place to say you are wrong. The same that I have my view on it as well.

The Pfizer clinical trial data was 20,000 people for 2 weeks. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong) but it's hard to get info because of all the censorship on this issue. Moderna, J&J, and Astra Zenica have not released any data that I have heard of.

 

[Silent Rose]

The Pfizer clinical trial data was 20,000 people for 2 weeks. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong) but it's hard to get info because of all the censorship on this issue. Moderna, J&J, and Astra Zenica have not released any data that I have heard of.

I don't doubt the trial and time frame that you are stating. What I am saying is prior to that do you believe these companies were not working on something knowing that these sorts of viruses could easily pop up? These people are experts on these infectious diseases and couldn't have just started something and in 2 weeks time had it all together. They might be experts in this field, but I don't know if coming up with something from scratch that quickly and then testing it out is even possible. I am far from an expert on this as I can probably assume you are as well so this is all just going on opinions or what you may have read from something else and as you stated a lot of this is censored.

 

[Silent Rose]

I suggest you read my comments more carefully. You'll note that I said "Some people need to put others down to feel good about themselves."
"Some" does not mean "All."
And, since you're rather new to the group, you may not have had a chance to review some posts from some members here who are the put-down artists I'm referring to.

I also did not say anything about all as well. I am just one of those people not everyone. If you are referring to me saying it is not the case of everyone, I was not referring to you as saying all people who wear masks put down people. I knew exactly what you meant that some do, but I am some of those people who do not choose to do such that and when comments are made such as the one you made all it does is stir up tension with this entire thing. That was the purpose of my post.

I also never said that putting down people is the correct way to handle this sort of situation because it is not and I pointed that out in another post I made in another thread. I even mentioned in this thread in the previous post that sort of action is not right. It seems you overlooked that as well.

Like I have been saying since the day I arrived on this site, I do not have any problems with people who wear masks or elect not to wear them. People who are vaccinated or who elect not to be vaccinated. The major problem with all of this is these sort of comments that continue the tension between the two groups whether it is the sort of comment you have made or the put down comments made by someone else. It does no good for the situation.

 

[win231]

I also did not say anything about all as well. I am just one of those people not everyone. If you are referring to me saying it is not the case of everyone, I was not referring to you as saying all people who wear masks put down people. I knew exactly what you meant that some do, but I am some of those people who do not choose to do such that and when comments are made such as the one you made all it does is stir up tension with this entire thing. That was the purpose of my post.

I also never said that putting down people is the correct way to handle this sort of situation because it is not and I pointed that out in another post I made in another thread. I even mentioned in this thread in the previous post that sort of action is not right. It seems you overlooked that as well.

Like I have been saying since the day I arrived on this site, I do not have any problems with people who wear masks or elect not to wear them. People who are vaccinated or who elect not to be vaccinated. The major problem with all of this is these sort of comments that continue the tension between the two groups whether it is the sort of comment you have made or the put down comments made by someone else. It does no good for the situation.

I overlooked nothing. Here's where the problem is: (your quote) "You seem to make a lot of accusations and stereotypes wrapping people into a group when that is not the case for everyone."
And that's also what causes the tension.
Just a FYI: It would be better to admit that you misread or misinterpreted.

 

[Silent Rose]

I overlooked nothing. Here's where the problem is: (your quote) "You seem to make a lot of accusations and stereotypes wrapping people into a group when that is not the case for everyone."
And that's also what causes the tension.
Just a FYI: It would be better to admit that you misread or misinterpreted.

It isn't that difficult to comprehend what the first statement meant. Wrapping people into a group and it is not the case for everyone. Meaning not everyone. All I was stating is I am not in that statement that you made. Plain and Simple.

The next line you once again left out a major part of what I posted. The entire statement was this, "If people would just accept one another's decisions and leave it be whether it is making these accusations and stereotypes that you are making or putting people down or whatever than a lot of this tension over all of this wouldn't be here."