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Good grief.. Bob... we have a separation of Church and state... The Catholics do not pass laws... either State or Federal.
 

Well, if your do not read you will never learn. Just how will the Republicans or Democrats ever be able to control everything when their total numbers are in the 30% range for each. Neither party can force that change as you claim. I am saying that again, neither party can by themselves force that change. It has to be a mixture of both parties and the independents that make it happen.

That means that many Catholics will vote that way and many of the non Catholic religions might also. It has nothing to do with the undermanned political parties alone to accomplish this event. We really should do away with these political parties and get back to the Constitution and its guide lines for each person to vote as they wish. Nothing in the Constitution about a political party being in charge.
 
Bob, you just don't seem to get it. There are no abortion propositions on the ballot. No catholic or any other religion can vote one way or the other. Those laws were passed by state administrations. I told you how many of the restrictive states were administered by republicans. Come on man, for a change THINK.
 

So how are all these Abortion restrictive laws being passed if not by a political party Bob? Republicans are passing them..in Red States. You claim that Hipanics are vastly Catholic... TRUE, they are.. However, they mostly vote Democratic... in fact, Latinos voted for President Obama over Romney 71% to 27%, and are slated to do the same for Clinton.
 
QuickSilver said:
So how are all these Abortion restrictive laws being passed if not by a political party Bob? Republicans are passing them..in Red States. You claim that Hipanics are vastly Catholic... TRUE, they are.. However, they mostly vote Democratic... in fact, Latinos voted for President Obama over Romney 71% to 27%, and are slated to do the same for Clinton.
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We do not vote in political parties. We vote in representatives of the people into House and Senate. Something hard for some to understand and realize. The political parties love to claim elected to be theirs. No guarantee at all as most often the votes are by the people. Even if we did vote in a party neither party has enough people to guarantee their party will win as they wish. 30% for either party is not a majority for either.
 
BobF said:
We do not vote in political parties. We vote in representatives of the people into House and Senate. Something hard for some to understand and realize. The political parties love to claim elected to be theirs. No guarantee at all as most often the votes are by the people. Even if we did vote in a party neither party has enough people to guarantee their party will win as they wish. 30% for either party is not a majority for either.
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Ok that does it. You are just typing words that make no sense at all. Have it your way Bob, stumble off thinking you know what you are talking about. I give up, you reply to hard fact with mumbojumbo.
 
AZ Jim said:
Bob, you just don't seem to get it. There are no abortion propositions on the ballot. No catholic or any other religion can vote one way or the other. Those laws were passed by state administrations. I told you how many of the restrictive states were administered by republicans. Come on man, for a change THINK.
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What you don't seem to understand and I have repeated it more than once. Neither party has a majority. They both must depend on independents and some from the opposing party to force any vote, not matter what it might be. The idea of abortions or not are based on the religion teachings and that affects the elected votes.

Personally I would prefer abortions be allowed. For the women's safety, for population control, to protect from rape results, personal decisions need attention.
 
AZ Jim said:
Ok that does it. You are just typing words that make no sense at all. Have it your way Bob, stumble off thinking you know what you are talking about. I give up, you reply to hard fact with mumbojumbo.
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My words do make sense, they are not mumbojumbo as you say. Once the election is over we do not actually control by party, we have Representatives and Senators that do the final decisions. I feel I know a lot more about what I am saying than some folks that think the political parties are in charge of everything. Political parties have been changed many times over the years. Amazing thing is that one time both Democrats and Republicans were hand in hand trying to run this country.
 
This thread had gone seriously off track.

Abortion is one issue in the OP but so is the patriarchy of Paraquay. Did people miss the statistic of "Two births a day occur among girls aged 10 to 14 in Paraguay, and many are the result of sexual abuse by relatives and stepfathers, according to the government."

It is simplistic to think that the answer to this problem is a convenient abortion, especially if the girl is returned to the hands of the same abuser.
There are many issues that need attention - child safety and protection, the status of women, contraception and as last resort, safe early abortions.

I remember years ago that this problem existed and a child as young as four or five became the youngest mother on the record books. This was somewhere in Sth America.
 
How can a child of 4 or 5 become pregnant? I thought I was familiar with the female reproductive cycle, I must be missing something and better go look it up.

It's disgusting that the sexual abuse of little children is so prevalent not only in this predominantly Catholic country, but all over the world.
 
Cookie said:
How can a child of 4 or 5 become pregnant? I thought I was familiar with the female reproductive cycle, I must be missing something and better go look it up.

It's disgusting that the sexual abuse of little children is so prevalent not only in this predominantly Catholic country, but all over the world.
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Here is a list of youngest birth mothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

The youngest was 5 and lived in Peru.
 
How can a child of 4 or 5 become pregnant? I thought I was familiar with the female reproductive cycle, I must be missing something and better go look it up. ... OK looked it up and there are several examples under search 'pregnancy in children'. There's a condition called 'precocious puberty' where the child's hormones are activated. Other cases did not have onset of puberty and listed kids as young as 8 who had not even menstruated who were raped and had babies.

It's truly disgusting that the sexual abuse of little children is so prevalent not only in Paraguay, a predominantly Catholic country, but all over the world.
 
He is a rigid southern Baptist. I know the brand well. My Uncle was a devoted SB. He was absolutely rigid and unalterable. He eventually forced his children (my cousins) to flee his oft times cruelty (always in the name of god).
 
Shalimar said:
QS, perhaps he's one of those blame everything on Eve and that apple that stupid ate. Lol.
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I have always (even when I was in the church) thought that was totally unfair and particularly since the Biblical perspective puts the man at the head!

Like where the hell was Adam when he was supposed to be 'protecting his wife from herself'? So he screws up, she gets blamed for eternity. Besides, his own weakness ("she talked me into it God") condemns him and calls into question his right to the 'big chair' doesn't it?

Sorry, off track but I needed to vent on behalf of all women :) so back now to the thread. And yes, it is awful about a ten year old having to give birth! I can only hope the creep that did this to her has been stopped from ever harming another child.
 
And maybe his working tool be shortened to about an inch or so when excited, and the two objects with creation abilities should also go into the garbage. But most likely none of that will happen.
 
Another aspect of the abortion issue that never seems to garner much attention is the miserable life some of these "unwanted" children have to go through when the mother is denied an abortion. What good is it to bring a child into the world when that child is Not Wanted...or the parents lack the means, or the will, to raise that child properly?
 
SeaBreeze said:
Just read about this comment today on Huffington Post by Huckabee...do not agree with him at all.


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To go along with your video I read this earlier today:'.....Huckabee has taken a firm stance against abortion and suggested last month that he wouldn't rule out using federal troops to stop women from accessing the procedure. He also identifies with a small group of conservative legal scholars who believe the Constitution gives the president the power to outlaw abortion, despite the Supreme Court's many rulings on the matter.....'


and by the way, Mr. Huckabee is a Baptist, not a Catholic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5d0a275e4b07addcb433a4a?kvcommref=mostpopular



So there you are, a Baptist Republican who considers calling in the army to shut down abortion clinics and that the President can veto all Supreme Court rulings on this matter (Hmmm, wonder if he figures the same for all Supreme Court rulings?) Maybe you could change 'President Huckabee's title to 'Emperor'.
 
Shalimar said:
I might have more respect for the pro life people if so many of them were not really pro birth advocates, who virtually ignore the state of a child's life once it is born. Bizarre.
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I used to volunteer at a Crisis Pregnancy Centre that was run by a group of church's in the Langley/White Rock area and they actually didn't ignore anyone once babies were born but tried to help them change their circumstances, work,home life, etc. and continued on an individual basis to be in touch with many of the women they saw, by developing relationships with them, or helping them find child care, jobs or invited them into the church family. Some may disengage after the event, but not all. And most often, it was the new moms who disengaged from communication at the office I was at. Once they had settled into their new lives as mothers and family had come around to helping rather than being angry, etc., they very often decided that the close church affiliation wasn't their cup of tea.
 
I'll have some respect for these "Pro Life" positions when I see these people lining up to Adopt the Unwanted Children. Until then, the Huckabee types are spouting Hypocrisy....IMO.
 
How do you know pro-life people aren't adopting when they can? What kind of experience do you have with people who feel that way, that it's possible to make blanket statements about what they think or feel or what they do?

Besides, who says the babies are 'unwanted'. Their mothers obviously want them or they would have gone direct to Planned Parenthood and as well there's an active and healthy adoption 'industry' in the US and there's numerous people who adopt overseas kids. Maybe inconvenient would be a better word than unwanted.

And maybe with social services supporting and social norms changing, more young girls/women are keeping their children? Can't exactly wrest children from their parents arms even if they are single teens, etc. And in looking at domestic adoption, it turns out that the whole process is surprisingly quicker than I first thought and it costs between $30,000 and $50,000 on average. https://www.adoptivefamilies.com/talking-about-adoption/domestic-adoption-myths-and-truths/

Maybe we should be careful about blanket statements.
 

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