No more masks!

John cycling said:
Yikes that would scare the **** out of me. I live in a nice place in California due to the great climate here, but have been considering the possibility to get in my car, leave and head to South Dakota or some other relatively free state like Texas or Florida. My friend just moved back from Florida and said it is too crowded there, the storms are scary, and he became more aware of the rising waters.

I've only traveled through South Dakota once when quite young. My prime motivation throughout my life has been staying healthy and free, and my greatest fear is being held down and poisoned against my will with no choice, as I've seen and known happen to so many other people and their lives completely destroyed. I hope that's not something they do here, but would not be surprised if it happens.
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First of all no-one is going to be forced to have the vaccine, but these particular parts of the country have had extremely high levels of Covid-19 in the past, many are Asian( Indian & Pakistani) communities, and haven't taken the Pandemic seriously, and therefore they've continued to have higher levels than the rest of the country. Now with the Indian variant attacking our shores, it's important that these cities with the high Indian populations understand the importance of being vaccinated..
 

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John cycling said:
Yikes that would scare the **** out of me. I live in a nice place in California due to the great climate here, but have been considering the possibility to get in my car, leave and head to South Dakota or some other relatively free state like Texas or Florida. My friend just moved back from Florida and said it is too crowded there, the storms are scary, and he became more aware of the rising waters.

I've only traveled through South Dakota once when quite young. My prime motivation throughout my life has been staying healthy and free, and my greatest fear is being held down and poisoned against my will with no choice, as I've seen and known happen to so many other people and their lives completely destroyed. I hope that's not something they do here, but would not be surprised if it happens.
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I doubt you will like the Dakotas, north or south 😂
 
win231 said:
f we are to believe what they're telling us, I don't think 560,000 deaths amounts to "Keeping us reasonably safe."
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Depends on how many might have died without precautionary measures being taken. Also depends on how many people ignored those precautions.

The news was full of stories about people attending large parties, gatherings and events. Sturgis comes immediately to mind, but there were dozens of others.
 

chic said:
I hope they disappear here as well. Our governor still won't allow it but says changes are coming early next week. I hope so. I've been sitting in cars since last September because stores everywhere won't let me in without a mask. You can't fully understand how much this damages you until you've lived through it like I have.
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People who couldn't wear masks have had the option of wearing a face shield instead.
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StarSong said:
Depends on how many might have died without precautionary measures being taken. Also depends on how many people ignored those precautions.

The news was full of stories about people attending large parties, gatherings and events. Sturgis comes immediately to mind, but there were dozens of others.
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@win231 well, one section of our past governing body did not keep us safe, while the new governing body is doing its best to keep us safe. You got to go with the flow. ☺️
 
hollydolly said:
many are Asian( Indian & Pakistani) communities, and haven't taken the Pandemic seriously, and therefore they've continued to have higher levels than the rest of the country. Now with the Indian variant attacking our shores, it's important that these cities with the high Indian populations understand the importance of being vaccinated..
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That looks like a feeble excuse to invade communities of other ethnicities, which is sad, really sad.

I'm probably the only one here who's actually looked for evidence of there being a real virus, and have found it to be completely absent. As I have pointed out and provided evidence for elsewhere, a covid19 virus has never been isolated from uncontaminated human genetic material, which is a requirement to prove that a virus exists. Yet that has never been done. Yet the madness and misinformation continues.

Blaming deaths caused by real known conditions on a virus that has never been isolated, tested and proven, is simply a blatant excuse to fool people who are way too trusting of powerful people into giving up their freedoms and rights to live healthy and happy productive lives. Instead of having our freedoms to live healthy and happily, we're being constantly bombarded and harassed by these draconian measures.

Many real scientists around the world, not pseudoscience lobbyists who work for big pharma, have been pointing out the same things.
 
Out in the country they say, "Some folks lie, some folks steal and some folks don't." Me, I say, "some folks wear masks and some folks don't." This pandemic now has become so trendy and so ingrained in many folks I wouldn't be surprised to hear about some people being put in their coffin wearing those awful diapers. Why you say, their dead, Covid can't get them? I say, they want to be protected when they go "on the other side." With all those millions in heaven or maybe in Hell, social distancing is gonna be pretty hard. Best to be protected. LOL Think about it!
 
Many real scientists around the world, not pseudoscience lobbyists who work for big pharma, have been pointing out the same things.
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Really, John? Can you show us any evidence at all of "real scientists" pointing out that the virus is simply a fictitious tale, made up to fool us all into supporting "big pharma?" And the whole world is naive enough to believe this lie? Who are these real scientists?

And what about the millions who have died? What do you think they have died of?
 
Probably most of them, or at least many, are children or teenagers.

About the flu, everything I've read about it is that there was practically no flu this last winter. One possible reason is that so many people were wearing masks. And of course, most of us were staying home and not mingling, except with our immediate family.
 
Sunny said:
About the flu, everything I've read about it is that there was practically no flu this last winter. One possible reason is that so many people were wearing masks. And of course, most of us were staying home and not mingling, except with our immediate family.
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And most flus are spread by contact. Over the past year, people haven’t been touching dirty things like shopping cart handles, etc because stores & elsewhere have been sanitizing things. Masks have discouraged us touching our eyes and nose. Bottom line, we’ve been much cleaner. Maybe we’ll have learned some good habits that will last.
 
ProTruckDriver said:
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/influenza-flu-in-virginia/influenza-surveillance/
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Thanks for the link. For every effect there must be one or more causes and I have been trying to read the graph with that in mind. I was having a good deal of trouble making sense of it all.

The link led me to this information that was not apparent from the static graph.

Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the Virginia Department of Health (VDH) has changed the way pneumonia and influenza (P&I) deaths are aggregated.

Traditionally, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and VDH have reported pneumonia and influenza together in order to better measure the burden of influenza-related deaths. When people die of the flu, they are more likely to die from a complication of the flu infection - not from the original infection itself. These complications can include pneumonia, sepsis, or exacerbation of underlying conditions like heart disease and diabetes. When presented together, P&I deaths are a better measure of influenza-related mortality. For more information, please visit: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, it has become even more difficult to measure flu-related mortality. Some people who died of pneumonia were actually COVID-19 deaths. In order to reduce confusion and standardize surveillance practices, VDH is reporting pneumonia, influenza, and COVID-19 (PIC) deaths for the 2019-2020 and 2020-2021 flu seasons.

COVID-19 mortality data are not strictly comparable to PIC data. Due to the high priority of the ongoing pandemic, COVID-19 mortality combines information VDH has learned through both case investigations and through death certificate surveillance. PIC data are collected through death certificate review alone. For data on deaths attributable to COVID-19 alone, please visit https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia/.
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I'm still not sure how this affects the graph but it appears that the method of reporting was changed from one season to the next, which would be enough to cause the 2020/21 season to look very different to the 2019/20 season ???? I'm surmising that 2019/20 is reporting influenza, pneumonia and other bronchial infections but not COVID as flu deaths but in 2020/21 influenza was included with COVID which is why on that graph it seems to have disappeared ???

I would love any further clarification as I am still a little puzzled as to why the two lines are so different.

I take the point made by others that avoiding one virus by behaviour modification such as social distancing, avoiding crowds, better hygiene and cleanliness and mask wearing, will limit all kinds of diseases, including COVID, influenza, viral and bacterial pneumonia and possibly even asthma. My grand daughter who is severely asthmatic was free of it last Winter and only had a bad attack when the fireys started control burning as Summer approached. One personal anecdote means nothing however, which is why I am interested in graphs compiled from systematically gathered data sets. When the method of data collection is changed it must inevitably alter the look of the graph.
 
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John cycling said:
That looks like a feeble excuse to invade communities of other ethnicities, which is sad, really sad.

I'm probably the only one here who's actually looked for evidence of there being a real virus, and have found it to be completely absent. As I have pointed out and provided evidence for elsewhere, a covid19 virus has never been isolated from uncontaminated human genetic material, which is a requirement to prove that a virus exists. Yet that has never been done. Yet the madness and misinformation continues.

Blaming deaths caused by real known conditions on a virus that has never been isolated, tested and proven, is simply a blatant excuse to fool people who are way too trusting of powerful people into giving up their freedoms and rights to live healthy and happy productive lives. Instead of having our freedoms to live healthy and happily, we're being constantly bombarded and harassed by these draconian measures.

Many real scientists around the world, not pseudoscience lobbyists who work for big pharma, have been pointing out the same things.
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So when my nephews inlaws both died from covid within 5 days of each other it was all make believe? Damn, wish I knew that before they were cremated.
 
John cycling said:
I'm probably the only one here who's actually looked for evidence of there being a real virus, and have found it to be completely absent. As I have pointed out and provided evidence for elsewhere, a covid19 virus has never been isolated from uncontaminated human genetic material, which is a requirement to prove that a virus exists. Yet that has never been done. Yet the madness and misinformation continues.
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The Covid-19 virus has been isolated many times - Full Fact

The Covid-19 virus has not been isolated as per Koch’s postulates, and this means PCR tests do not work.

OUR VERDICT​

This is untrue. Covid-19 has been isolated many times. It does not need to adhere to Koch’s postulates as it is a virus, and Koch’s rules have been widely disregarded now. Covid-19 PCR tests are generally very accurate.

The Covid-19 virus has not been isolated as per Koch’s postulates, and this means PCR tests do not work.

OUR VERDICT​

This is untrue. Covid-19 has been isolated many times. It does not need to adhere to Koch’s postulates as it is a virus, and Koch’s rules have been widely disregarded now. Covid-19 PCR tests are generally very accurate.
Fact check: The virus that causes COVID-19 has been isolated, and is the basis for the vaccines currently in development | Reuters
Social media posts have suggested that the contents of the vaccines for COVID-19 are not known, because the virus that causes the disease has not been isolated. This is not true.

The virus that causes COVID-19 exists and was identified and isolated multiple times by independent research groups - Health Feedback

Posts falsely claim COVID-19 virus has not yet been isolated (apnews.com)

I could go on, but why bother?
 
So, how are things going with the pandemic? Here is another view on the subject from an article entitled Covid Deaths Polummet As Excess Mortality Falls To Pre-Covid Levels. Below are some choice bits:

As of May 11, only one-third of Americans had been fully vaccinated, although "experts" insist 60 to 70 percent of the population must be vaccinated before we can expect to see a drop-off in deaths like that which occurred earlier this year.​
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Yet, as of the week of March 22—excess mortality was below both the 2015-2019 average and below the total for the last year before the official beginning of the covid pandemic (2019)... It's likely these facts won’t stop “public health” bureaucrats from continuing to insist that another “wave” of covid deaths and cases is right around the corner. These activists have many strategies for pushing vaccine passports, mask mandates, and even continual precautionary business closures. They’ll tell us that new covid variants are sweeping the globe. This is what they were saying in January, for instance, when Vox was telling us it was too dangerous to even visit the grocery store. At least one expert in late January warned us that the coming weeks would be “the darkest weeks of the pandemic.”​
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It’s now clear such predictions were spectacularly wrong. By late January, totals deaths were already in precipitous decline.​
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But what about the lag in data? We're only looking at data up to mid-March because it tends to take several weeks for estimates of total deaths to become reasonably reliable. Yes, that data shows a big drop off. But what about the numbers for April and May? Should we expect those death totals to surge again with a promised “fourth wave” of new covid death?​
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If we consider the more recent case and death totals attributed to covid, we see few signs of a new surge.​
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Although Anthony Fauci and other government employed technocrats have been unable to provide any explanation at all for it, the fact remains that months after Texas and Florida and Georgia have either abolished or greatly scaled back all social-distancing and mask mandates, cases and deaths are generally declining, and total deaths per million (attributed to covid) remain below what we've seen in states with severe lockdowns.​
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The article has data and charts for those who like such information.
 
All these snarky comments and name-calling about Dr. Fauci remind me of the kids in school making fun of the class genius. They can't deal with the fact that he/she is so much more intelligent and educated than they are that they can't even begin to conceive of the difference. So they resort to making them pariahs.

Except that many of these pariahs grow up to accomplish amazing things for the world. Some of their discoveries save millions of lives. And the name-callers still can't bring themselves to admit that they were wrong, and probably couldn't begin to understand the science and technology on so high a level, so they continue the childish lies, insults, name-calling, as if they were still in the schoolyard.

And meanwhile, many of us, possibly most, have Dr. Fauci and the other hard-working scientists and medical workers to thank for the fact that we are still alive. These people have put in a heroic effort against a common enemy. Maybe it's time to say thank you?
 
Sunny said:
Really, John? Can you show us any evidence at all of "real scientists" pointing out that the virus is simply a fictitious tale, made up to fool us all into supporting "big pharma?" And the whole world is naive enough to believe this lie? Who are these real scientists?

And what about the millions who have died? What do you think they have died of?
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The virus is real but so is the flu and so is the common cold. We are just going to have to live with this Covid-19 and all those "Variants of Interests" that the media loves to talk about. The survival rate is pretty good for Covid-19. In the province where I live 1,000 people have died. We have a population of 1.3 million. That means 0.0007692 of the population here died. That's peanuts and no reason for the media to scream and yell their heads off. A lot more people die of cancer each year around here. When you talk of the "millions" that have died your looking at the whole over populated planet which these days has a population of 7.9 billion. According to the World Health Organization (WHO) 3.4 million people have died from this pandemic. When you look at the big picture that means 0.01854 of the world's population has died. Peanuts again but who am I to "blow against the wind?" Furthermore, many of those that died had other health problems. Why believe the media that drolls on bad news. I prefer to sit on the sunny side of life. Life is too short to be wasted by bearing of constant doom and gloom. Time for a walk in the park to smell the flowers because life is good.
 

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