No more masks!

hollydolly said:
Well, Boris has spoken, and for once he's keeping to his word, and we will continue as planned on our path to freedom on Monday.. and the cities and towns in the North of the country will be given extra incentives to take the Vaccines... including having the army on the streets
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"including having the army on the streets"

Why is the army needed?
 

Well all people have the right to their own opinions no matter WHAT. Truth or lies, guesswork or statistics. And some people who jeopardize others safety by exceeding the speed limit, driving while drunk, shooting in a public place or not wearing a mask to prevent your spit from hitting others, do they have the same unalienable????
 
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JonDouglas said:
If people knew and understood what was going on at the CDC to give gravitas to these decisions, CDC credibility might hit the floor. To add a little fuel to this fire, here's something I read the other day. It was from an unnamed source just like what the media uses, but the content makes enough sense to certainly ask questions.

There’s an old saying that goes something like this: “If you torture the numbers long enough, you can make them say anything.” In our Covid-hysteria world, the CDC and other medical organizations have practiced a variation of the saying. If you run enough cycles of the PCR tests, you can make any sample test positive for Covid-19.​
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For over a year, there have been questions from doctors and scientists about the efficacy of having high “Cycle Thresholds” (Cts) for swab testing for Covid-19. Every cycle doubles the chances of finding a positive case, so 34 cycles will have 16-times more coronavirus materials than a 30-cycle test. There is no consensus about how many cycles should be run to give an acceptably accurate determination of Covid infections. Some doctors say it should be as low as 10. Others go as high as 35.​
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Some labs where PCR tests are checked will go over 40 or even 50 cycles. This is likely how a pawpaw fruit and goat, neither of which are capable of contracting Covid-19, both tested positive last year in a stunt by Tanzanian President John Magufuli.​
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The CDC has left the guidelines about the appropriate number of cycles ambiguous from the beginning. As a result, Covid-19 “cases” have skyrocketed at times even though a high Ct threshold can result in false-positives very easily. But things have changed now that tens of millions of Americans have been vaccinated. The CDC suddenly wants limits to the number of cycles but ONLY for those who have been vaccinated.​
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Remember when doctors and scientists pushed for nationwide testing rather than a rushed vaccine? They urged testing, and then quarantine only for those who test positive. This way, life could go on, people wouldn't lose their jobs or businesses, face evictions and etc.
 
win231 said:
If we are to believe what they're telling us, I don't think 560,000 deaths amounts to "Keeping us reasonably safe."
And, everyone who believes wearing a mask protects you shouldn't be concerned about other who aren't wearing a mask. Same with the vaccine. If it works, you're protected.
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win231 said:
If we are to believe what they're telling us, I don't think 560,000 deaths amounts to "Keeping us reasonably safe."
And, everyone who believes wearing a mask protects you shouldn't be concerned about other who aren't wearing a mask. Same with the vaccine. If it works, you're protected.
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Actually, we have no idea how many more deaths there would be now if people weren’t wearing masks and social distancing. Also, it’s a fallacy for you to be telling people wearing masks and social distancing what they should and should not believe.
 
JonDouglas said:
Being healthy, vaccinated, accustomed to freedom and quite safe to others, I don't feel responsible for making them feel safe. Also, how do you account for the unmasked states being as safe or perhaps safer than masked states?
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Unmasked states aren’t safer than masked states. In some cases, their number of cases and deaths, based on their state’s population, are higher than masked states.

As far as you feeling it’s not your responsible for making others feel safe; good to know.
 
saltydog said:
Unmasked states aren’t safer than masked states. In some cases, their number of cases and deaths, based on their state’s population, are higher than masked states.

As far as you feeling it’s not your responsible for making others feel safe; good to know.
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How about people taking personal responsibility for being safe. If you are well and healthy, you're out there and safe. If you are not well then stay the hell indoors. If you are susceptible, by all means wear a mask but it's not my job to wear a mask to make you feel better.
 
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saltydog said:
Unmasked states aren’t safer than masked states. In some cases, their number of cases and deaths, based on their state’s population, are higher than masked states.

As far as you feeling it’s not your responsible for making others feel safe; good to know.
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Perhaps the best comparison of that would be the Dakotas since they're similar in makeup. North Dakota had a mask mandate and had the worst outbreaks per capita in the country. South Dakota, with no mask mandate did not. Check it out.
 
After 429 days of business restrictions here in Nashville, at 5 a.m. this morning, they lifted all restrictions.
City Officials first stated they would keep the ban on Wednesday, but announced last night they would also lift the ban.

We were the last city in Tennessee to do so.

Must have been some serious pressure from somewhere.
 
saltydog said:
Actually, we have no idea how many more deaths there would be now if people weren’t wearing masks and social distancing. Also, it’s a fallacy for you to be telling people wearing masks and social distancing what they should and should not believe.
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Just as it's a fallacy for you to be telling people what they should and should not believe.
 
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saltydog said:
Unmasked states aren’t safer than masked states. In some cases, their number of cases and deaths, based on their state’s population, are higher than masked states.

As far as you feeling it’s not your responsible for making others feel safe; good to know.
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You are responsible for your own safety - whatever ways you choose - mask, vaccines, etc.
Blind people do not expect glass & stairs to be banned or padding to be installed on corners.
 
As long as there are no symptoms, it doesn't really matter if you catch it, unless of course you could spread it. I haven't heard of any verified cases of someone testing positive without any symptoms spreading the virus, but it would be hard to trace such a case.
 
Yes, we are all responsible for ourselves. I agree.

I stopped wearing a mask outside after my second shot took effect. If a store has very few people in it, I do not wear a mask. My allergies and the heat make it hard to breathe in a mask.

I will continue to make a decision about indoor mask wearing on an individual store basis. @hollydolly I don’t think the version of the virus from India is here, but I could be wrong.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Yes, we are all responsible for ourselves. I agree.

I stopped wearing a mask outside after my second shot took effect. If a store has very few people in it, I do not wear a mask. My allergies and the heat make it hard to breathe in a mask.

I will continue to make a decision about indoor mask wearing on an individual store basis. @hollydolly I don’t think the version of the virus from India is here, but I could be wrong.
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Outside of England, The US, Singapore and Germany are the only other countries to have sequenced more than 100 cases of the B.1.617+ variant
 
Jules said:
You’re protected, but not 100%. It’s not perfect. It may keep me out of the hospital but I still don’t want to be very sick at home.

Bill Maher, who has had both his shots, just tested positive. He had no symptoms.
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Yes, which is why those of us who are vaccinated should still wear a mask to protect those who aren't, we can still get a mild version of the virus, but are still capable of spreading it to those who are not vaccinated. People should remember, this is a world wide potentially deadly pandemic, nothing to make light of.
 

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