Not very long to go before the UK could be broken up.

TrickorTreat

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Only 11 days to go before our Scottish cousins will decide whether they wish to remain as part of the UK or whether they wish to go it alone. If they do decide to break with us then I wish them all the best luck in the world. It must be a very scary decision to make, knowing that once the vote comes in and if it is YES, then the repercussions for both them and the UK are enormous. Talk about a constitutional crisis !! It does pose some questions that will need to be answered though, maybe some of the posters on here might have the answer, would love to hear from them if they do because it is really puzzling me.

For instance, Scotland says they will keep the Queen as their head of state. how does this work? The Queen is the head of the Union. The Union is no more. Scotland will be a newly formed separate country led by the National Party. Surely they can no longer claim right to our Sovereign ? Please correct me by all means as it certainly puzzles me.

As I understand it, Scotland, on becoming a breakaway new country, will have to apply for membership to the EU in it's own right. Mr Salmond says that because the UK was already a member of the EU, then Scotland should be allowed to still be part of the EU. Mr Barruso says this is not the case and that Scotland will first have to request entry to the EU as would any other country, also Spain says it would veto Scotland's entry because it would give regions in it's own country who have long wanted to break away, encouragement to go ahead and try again.
definitely puzzled about that one.

Monetary = how on earth does this work? Mr Salmond says that Scotland has every right to continue to use the pound. I suppose he could but what would be the point when he does not have the Bank of England as the backer for that same pound? surely the Scottish pound would be seen as a very risky currency because it would surely be out on it's own the same as countries that use the dollar but without a safety umbrella such as the Bank of England.

Immigration risk - this one really startles me. If for instance, Scotland applies to join the EU or as Mr Salmond states, automatic re-entry into the EU, how does that effect Scotland and England? The EU operate with the Shengen agreement of free entry into all other European countries without immigration checks. The UK opted out of this and we kept our borders (inadequate as they are), how are immigrants going to be stopped from flying into Scotland and travelling to England? I just cannot see it being allowed. Will this really see us erecting a new Hadrian's Wall ???? will it mean erecting manned border controls to stop immigrants coming into England ? will passports be needed ? It's mind boggling!

What about our armed forces > what happens there ?

if someone could explain to this English duffer I would be very grateful because I know action will be required on most of the above, it has to be, but how on earth is it going to work? The thought that I will need a passport to visit my relatives in Scotland is ridiculous but how else do we protect ourselves against unfettered illegal immigration

Thanks in advance for your input into the above puzzling questions xxx
 

I can't answer any of the above; presumably Scotland could apply to join the Commonwealth?
as for money....I don't think anybody knows!
trident submarines come south, presumably, and the Scots Guards return home?

I know I don't appear to be taking this seriously; but I am...
my (English) Mum and Dad live in Scotland, so have a vote each..
 
I am horrified that Scotland may become independent for a myriad of reasons. I'm also frustrated that English, Welsh or Irish living in Scotland can vote for or against independence for Scotland yet the hundreds of thousands of Scottish born people who live in other countries are not permitted to vote.
 

I am horrified that Scotland may become independent for a myriad of reasons. I'm also frustrated that English, Welsh or Irish living in Scotland can vote for or against independence for Scotland yet the hundreds of thousands of Scottish born people who live in other countries are not permitted to vote.

Yes hollydolly, I think this was a terribly unfair decision by Mr Salmond. With regard to the Scottish living and working "with the enemy" on the English side of the border, maybe Mr Salmond was perhaps afraid that they had become too "English" and vote against Independence. But really anyone born in Scotland should have had an automatic right to a vote that effects each and every Scottish person, regardless of where they reside. Most undemocratic.
 
Hi Vivjen, That's a bit weird mum and dad having a vote and being English. Hopefully they will vote against as we need all the votes we can get from the No gang. I hate the thought of separation from Scotland even though I fully respect their will to go it alone.
 
They will vote against I am sure...but anybody living there has a vote...anybody not living there, doesn't!
 
For instance, Scotland says they will keep the Queen as their head of state. how does this work? The Queen is the head of the Union. The Union is no more. Scotland will be a newly formed separate country led by the National Party. Surely they can no longer claim right to our Sovereign ? Please correct me by all means as it certainly puzzles me.
Quite possibly it will be a very similar situation to New Zealand, with the Queen being our Head of State.
Our constitution Act recognises that the Queen, the Sovereign in right of New Zealand, is the Head of State of New Zealand and that the Governor-General appointed by her is her representative. Each can, in general, exercise all the powers of the other.

The Queen is the Head of State in 16 Commonwealth countries.

Interesting if Scotland vote 'yes', maybe it's time they did go it alone.
 
Vivjen, Other than the long history and relationships, and all the problems you have mentioned above, how will it effect the individual Englishman personally. Other than maybe having to get passports, does it make any hardships for you individually.
 
Difficult to tell Ina; there seems to be very few concrete answers to many questions.
scotland would have everything to do, and also have to take over it's share of the National Debt.
there is an opinion that UK 'subsidises' Scotland more than other regions, so they may have to raise taxes.

Their politics tends to be more left-wing than England's, so it could mean that English politics move to the right; permanently; and Scotland's to the left.
Do they have their own currency, with a different exchange rate....how confusing would that be?!

So, I, personally, don't know.

I think it is a change too far; with too many uncertainties; think of it like a mid-western state suddenly deciding to go off by itself; not a very wealthy state like California; and then work out how it would work if you lived next door!
 
Quite possibly it will be a very similar situation to New Zealand, with the Queen being our Head of State.
Our constitution Act recognises that the Queen, the Sovereign in right of New Zealand, is the Head of State of New Zealand and that the Governor-General appointed by her is her representative. Each can, in general, exercise all the powers of the other.
The Queen is the Head of State in 16 Commonwealth countries.
Exactly. Australia is a sovereign nation but not a republic. We are a constitutional monarchy with the Queen as the titular head of the Australian Commonwealth. She exercises no real power and her local viceroys perform all the necessary ceremonial duties unless she happens to be present on a state visit.

If Scotland were to leave the Commonwealth of Nations this option would not be available but a country can be a member of the commonwealth and a republic with its own president e.g. India and South Africa.
 
I don't think even Alex Salmond knows the answers to your questions Trickortreat! If they don't keep the pound [currency] maybe they could use the 'dram' or the 'thistle', who knows?I would have thought if they opt to leave the UK it will be far harder for them than for us here in England.I must admit to not really caring either way.James the 6th of Scotland virtually imposed himself on England[James the first of England] and that was the start of the union with Scotland.It wasn't as if there was an almighty battle and then we took over in Scotland, as some people seem to think.The rife anti-English sentiment from a lot of Scots is stupid.
 
Although the polls suggest it's almost 50/50 at the moment, I think it's a mistake to look at the votes this way, and really a two thirds majority would have been a better way [ meaning it would need two thirds agreeing to leave the UK.] If they stay with the UK they are going to get a really good deal as so many more powers will be given to them.
 
I am fearful for Scotand if they vote to succeed. I can not answer any of your questions but I hope the best for the Scots.
 
For ages the Westminster government has been saying how bad Scotland would be outside the UK. Now when it seems they might leave, they're saying how good things will be if they stay. Perhaps they should have conducted a more positive campaign from the beginning.

These are worrying times.
 
It wouldn't matter how positive the Government was, if the Scottish people [slight majority] opt to leave the UK. Things are already as good for them now [ as for us] in England.I'm thinking if they say No to the vote, then things will be even better for them than for us.As it is, Scottish students don't pay any Uni fees [we do] or I think I am right in this, prescriptions for medicines? Neither do they in Wales, but in England we have to pay our sons and daughters Uni tuition fees and pay £8 per prescription.Is this fair? No it isn't, not by a long chalk.
 
I'm going on a trip to Cornwall, England, next week. Sounds like I picked an interesting time to go! (I feel very ignorant about this whole thing. What is prompting the drive for independence?)
 
Lucky you, Sunny; I hope the weather holds for you....
it is rather like living through an election campaign.....in my view; time it was over!
Scots who want Independance want to do their own thing; tax-raising powers, and to govern themselves completely.
this has ramifications all over...currency, membership of EU, NATO, UN etc....
it is an enormously significant referendum, and irreversible if Scotland votes yes; but seems to me to have ended up as most elections; a shouting match, with few facts, many opinions, and not a lot of listening....on both sides to a large extent.
only another week....
 
Sunny, as Vivjen says [so I don't need to add anything..... except, you will find that there is also a tiny minority [very vocal though!] in Cornwall that want Cornwall [Kernow] to be independent. Totally ridiculous. I used to live in Cornwall years ago, and the locals then laughed at these people, but instead of going away they just got noisier.
 
Oakapple, you're quite right that the rest of the UK gets much better fringe benefits than England (free prescriptions, eye tests, parking at hospitals, bus pass at 60 for all and no time restrictions, no bridge tolls etc.) I suspect that N.Ireland (don't forget its also in the UK) has the best benefits of all. No, it's not fair that English residents don't get them - I know, I lived in Hampshire for most of my life. I shouldn't be surprized that the English regions will want more autonomy - after all they have bigger populations than the whole of Scotland, Wales or N.Ireland.

As for the referendum, I'm sick and tired of it. It seems to be turning into a slanging match with nobody knowing the answers to the important issues.
 
Exactly Capt. lightning; I am also getting very bored with the slanging match.
maybe we will get some perks when we are not paying for Scotland's?!

( I don't really mean that....)
Maybe you will start paying for your water too......maybe not, you get a lot more rain than us?!
 


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