Now It's 5 Shot Dead in a Louisville, Kentucky Bank.

If the government takes everyone’s guns away, so that only the government and the police have guns, that would make us a police state. You could never get all the guns, so some people will still have at least 1 and you being the law-abiding person that you and turned in your guns will not have a gun to protect yourself or your family. Killings would continue.
 

The cowardly killer was told he was going to be fired.

https://abc7chicago.com/active-shoo...ng-old-national-bank-downtown-today/13112369/

Part of the issue is probably not being able to handle getting fired or laid off. PsOS like the cowardly killer are why some companies escort the fired employee to the door and/or have a couple people sit in on the firings.

The first time one gets laid off not fired for something like stealing or incompetence is hard. I've seen alot of young new employees bet the farm on a full 30 year career with the company and that's simply not realistic thinking. It's tough being let go for budgetary or down downsizing because it has little to do with job performance.

Part of that issue comes being sold or groomed on a career not a job. If one works for someone else they have a job not a career. Today's young people have to be told the difference between a job, a gig or career because all are different things. And as with many other negative events one has to be taught to move on, you can't or shouldn't take things personally.

This pos cowardly killer was pretty young experiencing some success but being inexperienced a he was naive to think he would get a full 30 year career there or there wouldn't be office politics which is a snake pit in many companies/job locations.
 
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Mitch86 said:
Our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of every American to own a gun. The mass murders are simply the cost of the 2nd Amendment. The irony is that the 2nd was passed to enable all slave owners to kill leaders of slave revolts. Haiti was sending in "terrorists" to free our slaves. Remember slave property was guaranteed by our Constitution.

The 2nd is obsolete. AR-15's should be given free to all our people. After thousands die maybe someone will notice that mass murders are simply very bad and we need a new constitutional amendment to revoke the right of everyone to own a gun. When the 2nd was passed we only had flintlock muzzle loaders. No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days.

The only folks who really need a gun are folks in law enforcement and the military.

That posting right above mine shows how tyrants came into being "because" the population had no guns. WRONG,, WRONG, WRONG!! The tyrants also used GUNS to commit their mass murders!

By the way, the Nazis REQUIRED every Nazi Party member to own a gun and be trained in its use. The Communists in Russia and China also REQUIRED all their party members to own a gun and be trained in its use. Nazis and Commies were gun FANS!!
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"No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."

Again .... Are you sure ?
Mitch86 said:
Our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of every American to own a gun. The mass murders are simply the cost of the 2nd Amendment. The irony is that the 2nd was passed to enable all slave owners to kill leaders of slave revolts. Haiti was sending in "terrorists" to free our slaves. Remember slave property was guaranteed by our Constitution.

The 2nd is obsolete. AR-15's should be given free to all our people. After thousands die maybe someone will notice that mass murders are simply very bad and we need a new constitutional amendment to revoke the right of everyone to own a gun. When the 2nd was passed we only had flintlock muzzle loaders. No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days.

The only folks who really need a gun are folks in law enforcement and the military.

That posting right above mine shows how tyrants came into being "because" the population had no guns. WRONG,, WRONG, WRONG!! The tyrants also used GUNS to commit their mass murders!

By the way, the Nazis REQUIRED every Nazi Party member to own a gun and be trained in its use. The Communists in Russia and China also REQUIRED all their party members to own a gun and be trained in its use. Nazis and Commies were gun FANS!!
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"No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."
Mitch86 said:
Our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of every American to own a gun. The mass murders are simply the cost of the 2nd Amendment. The irony is that the 2nd was passed to enable all slave owners to kill leaders of slave revolts. Haiti was sending in "terrorists" to free our slaves. Remember slave property was guaranteed by our Constitution.

The 2nd is obsolete. AR-15's should be given free to all our people. After thousands die maybe someone will notice that mass murders are simply very bad and we need a new constitutional amendment to revoke the right of everyone to own a gun. When the 2nd was passed we only had flintlock muzzle loaders. No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days.

The only folks who really need a gun are folks in law enforcement and the military.

That posting right above mine shows how tyrants came into being "because" the population had no guns. WRONG,, WRONG, WRONG!! The tyrants also used GUNS to commit their mass murders!

By the way, the Nazis REQUIRED every Nazi Party member to own a gun and be trained in its use. The Communists in Russia and China also REQUIRED all their party members to own a gun and be trained in its use. Nazis and Commies were gun FANS!!
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" No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."

Again, are you sure ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
 

Let's see. This is when I'm supposed to say that "our hearts and prayers are with the victims". Then, let's sell another million guns, so people can blow their brains out, or kill the people they know. Works for me.
 
rgp said:
"No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."

Again .... Are you sure ?


"No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."


" No one imagined an AR-15 back in those ancient days."

Again, are you sure ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
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The Puckle gun is more or less a revolver. To suggest it is a machine gun really is incorrect. Granted, a revolver is a multi shot weapon, but I believe it required more than one person to operate it to achieve a fast rate of fire.

Anyone know what the rate of fire was for a paper cartridge cap n ball weapon?
 
CarolfromTX said:
I just heard the shooter live-streamed the attack. Social media has a lot to answer for, if you ask me. It’s turned people into narcissists who demand their 15 minutes of fame, even at the cost of innocent lives.
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This. Is livestream a feature that comes with a fb account or one has to set up a livestream account.

They say he was going to be fired. But when? At that meeting? By people in that meeting? Office politics involved?

He needed time to prepare including setting up a live stream. This is why some feel it's best to lay off or fire employees by surprise with no warning. Sometimes it's better for both because once over the initial shock it's easier to move on
 
mitch86 "Our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of every American to own a gun."
no the 2nd amendment does NOT give the right to own firearms to every citizen, you stretch that out a tad bit their ol boy. what it does do is give those citizens who are in the militia the right to keep firearms.
 
Humans are emotional creatures, and prone to depression, anxiety, envy, hate, etc. Now, put a device in their hands that can instantly kill themselves, or others. And you're befuddled by the needless deaths caused by this? Plus, it's pure BS that people will always be "responsible gun owners". It's not criminals,that are shot breaking into your house, who account for 99% of gun related deaths, it's suicides and people shooting people they know.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Humans are emotional creatures, and prone to depression, anxiety, envy, hate, etc. Now, put a device in their hands that can instantly kill themselves, or others. And you're befuddled by the needless deaths caused by this? Plus, it's pure BS that people will always be "responsible gun owners". It's not criminals,that are shot breaking into your house, who account for 99% of gun related deaths, it's suicides and people shooting people they know.
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"it's pure BS that people will always be "responsible gun owners".

I do not recall anyone saying that .....

Personally, I do not think "responsibility" is even a part of it.

These shooters are mentally deranged people ... who [IMO] have no sense of responsibility . They care only about their objective ....... what ever that may be.
 
Flarbalard said:
The Puckle gun is more or less a revolver. To suggest it is a machine gun really is incorrect. Granted, a revolver is a multi shot weapon, but I believe it required more than one person to operate it to achieve a fast rate of fire.

Anyone know what the rate of fire was for a paper cartridge cap n ball weapon?
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I never said it was a "machine" gun .... My point was it was a multi-fire weapon , that was a step up from a single shot rifle .

And "likely" ? known to the framers.
 
Perhaps people should be required to get a gun license before they can own a gun and all firearms should be registered. An AR-15 style rifle would require a 30-day cooling-off period before the buyer could take possession.

Other countries have laws similar to that... Switzerland does, I believe.
 
Funny how these threads always seem to drift to the gun folks and all the weapons they have. The Nashville thread appeared to end with a tribute to guns. Funny. Ha Ha.
 
rgp said:
I never said it was a "machine" gun .... My point was it was a multi-fire weapon , that was a step up from a single shot rifle .

And "likely" ? known to the framers.
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No, you certainly didn't. I agree 100% with your point. However, the outward appearance resembles a machine gun and a photo of the gun is often captioned with the word machine gun.

As for the intentions of the framers I doubt it was at all significant. 60 years ago Dick Tracy foreshadowed todays smart phone. The technology was known, but what may have been inconceivable is the new social media culture it begat.
 
rgp said:
His answer is exactly correct ..... None of those actions can take place/happen without the person behind the gun.

Therefore it is the person ... not the gun!
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Perhaps you have the answer to the problem of the high rate of homicides, mass murders and the occasional massacre in the US, almost all of which involve a person and some kind of gun.

If you have, please share it.
 
While this wouldn't work in all situations because some people think there's no reason they should ever be fired or laid off I feel there should be some sort of national transition infrastructure in place. A handful of corporations have such things in place so when they let go of a whole floor of people there's a small team that hands you a packet and a check that will sustain you for a few months and a number to call to assist you in looking for a new job. But far too many places have nothing set up. Even if a fired person was a total screw up on the job and probably should have never been hired in the firt place there needs to be a way to hold thier hand and guide them into something they might be better suited for-- if for no other reason then to defuse the situation where they have no hope- no future- no incoming cashflow. A cornered wounded animal can't be reasoned with but if there is a hole in the wall they can escape through the situation is defused and nobody gets hurt. MOST OF THE TIME But it seems to me most of the time an employer just cuts people and expects them to handle it with dignity. I have no proper ending to this post nor do I have all the answers but I do think there needs to be a transitional program ( sponsored by the government if need be) so a number of ticking time bombs out there don't go off and we all have to read about the aftermath the next day. Just my 2 cents
 
Frank from Cleveland said:
While this wouldn't work in all situations because some people think there's no reason they should ever be fired or laid off I feel there should be some sort of national transition infrastructure in place. A handful of corporations have such things in place so when they let go of a whole floor of people there's a small team that hands you a packet and a check that will sustain you for a few months and a number to call to assist you in looking for a new job. But far too many places have nothing set up. Even if a fired person was a total screw up on the job and probably should have never been hired in the firt place there needs to be a way to hold thier hand and guide them into something they might be better suited for-- if for no other reason then to defuse the situation where they have no hope- no future- no incoming cashflow. A cornered wounded animal can't be reasoned with but if there is a hole in the wall they can escape through the situation is defused and nobody gets hurt. MOST OF THE TIME But it seems to me most of the time an employer just cuts people and expects them to handle it with dignity. I have no proper ending to this post nor do I have all the answers but I do think there needs to be a transitional program ( sponsored by the government if need be) so a number of ticking time bombs out there don't go off and we all have to read about the aftermath the next day. Just my 2 cents
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That's socialism!!! :eek:

Hopefully, the MSM will look into and disclose to the public why the shooter was getting fired. Was he a total screw-up or was he unstable? I read that he had suffered numerous concussions playing sports, so he might have had brain damage. There should be an autopsy to determine if there was something wrong that caused him to go off the deep end. One of the earliest mass shootings, which took place in Texas during the '60s, where the shooter picked off people from a tower. If that's the one I'm thinking of, he asked for his brain to be examined after he died to find out what made him want to kill people, and they found a fairly large tumor in his brain. I'll research that a bit later, but I think those were the facts.
 
SeniorBen said:
That's socialism!!! :eek:

Hopefully, the MSM will look into and disclose to the public why the shooter was getting fired. Was he a total screw-up or was he unstable? I read that he had suffered numerous concussions playing sports, so he might have had brain damage. There should be an autopsy to determine if there was something wrong that caused him to go off the deep end. One of the earliest mass shootings, which took place in Texas during the '60s, where the shooter picked off people from a tower. If that's the one I'm thinking of, he asked for his brain to be examined after he died to find out what made him want to kill people, and they found a fairly large tumor in his brain. I'll research that a bit later, but I think those were the facts.
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As I said I have no answers but it sure seems that at minimum after Columbine we would have seen WITHIN A YEARS TIME from that event some kind of corrective prevention get installed at schools. Maybe it wouldn't have worked but at least an effort would have been attempted.
Same with work place shootings. A national summit meeting of some sort to look into and attempt some sort of program to spot troubled employees and also increase security somehow. And here we are a few decades later after Columbine with no improvements. Just an increase in the number of shootings
 
The best way to deal with guns is NEVER GO NEAR ONE. The nearer you are to a gun, the more certain it is that you will die from a gun or people you know will die from a gun.

I'm 88 and have never held a gun in my life. Even, when I was in the ROTC back in college many generations ago, I refused to shoot one. Thus, I was dropped from the ROTC. Some of my buddies, who learned how to fire a gun and hit the target, died in Korea and Vietnam. I was the "unlucky" one who lived.

Almost all gun deaths in America are from suicides with the 2nd ranking going to homicides. Very few died from a gun fired in self defense.
 

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