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Is being accused of "an unwanted sexual advance"...I believe it was stated?

Just what that is , is subject to opinion. Like the others this was 20+ years ago...so of course we are expected to just believe the accusation.

So exactly what would be the appropriate [on job] punishment...for such a horrible action? Along that line...what would be the appropriate punishment if found guilty in a court of law for said horrible action?

At this point it is merely he said / she said...but of course we all know that the SHE is above reproach & as such should be believed without question....Right?......Do I have it right this time ladies ?
 

Tom issued a response and denial. The woman left NBC angry because she hadn't reached "stardom". I don't think Tom has anything to worry about.

rgp you need to stop speaking for others. "We" all don't know any such thing.
 

applecruncher said:
Tom issued a response and denial. The woman left NBC angry because she hadn't reached "stardom". I don't think Tom has anything to worry about.

rgp you need to stop speaking for others. "We" all don't know any such thing.
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Not speaking for anyone...merely voicing the attitude of society today.

And you need to stop dictating / suggesting others responses .
 
You are correct, RGP. What exactly is an "unwanted sexual advance". Asking her out to dinner twice ? Is that enough to ruin a mans career? feminists say, "Yes ! Absolutely"
 
Traveler said:
You are correct, RGP. What exactly is an "unwanted sexual advance". Asking her out to dinner twice ? Is that enough to ruin a mans career? feminists say, "Yes ! Absolutely"
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Getting to my whole point now...It has become so damn ridiculous...the human race may cease to exist...LOL !!

Any flirt, any pass, any can I buy you a drink, have your number...is a sexual advance is it not? I mean if accepted ? and it leads to a successful relationship...that relationship will in all likelihood include sex. Therefore the first flirt initiated by the man was a sexual advance.

How do we know know if it is unwanted?...if we do not make said advance?

Now....groping , grasping, grabbing, etc...NO!!! Kick him in the [well you know] and report it immediately for what it was..... an assault .
 
applecruncher said:
Traveler, you keep talking about money but you don't seem to be familiar with statute of limitations on criminal prosecution and civil suits.
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Doesn't appear that the woman who brought charges against Mr. Cosby ever heard of the statute of limitations either . Fact is, feminists want to be free to charge a man forever. A new day has dawned, feminists now control the courts. Her word against his, and she wins. He goes to prison and she gets all his money.

I could use a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Anyone know who I can sue ? :D
 
Traveler said:
Doesn't appear that the woman who brought charges against Mr. Cosby ever heard of the statute of limitations either . Fact is, feminists want to be free to charge a man forever. A new day has dawned, feminists now control the courts. Her word against his, and she wins. He goes to prison and she gets all his money.

I could use a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Anyone know who I can sue ? :D
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You certainly are playing loose with the facts.

Are we/you talking about the recent Bill Cosby trial?
Are you aware that Cosby admitted, in a deposition, that he drugged women (plural) then had sex with them?
Are you certain Cosby is going to prison? (he hasn't been sentenced yet)
I have no idea who "she" is.
Cosby and his wife keep all his money minus legal fees.
 
Traveler said:
Doesn't appear that the woman who brought charges against Mr. Cosby ever heard of the statute of limitations either . Fact is, feminists want to be free to charge a man forever. A new day has dawned, feminists now control the courts. Her word against his, and she wins. He goes to prison and she gets all his money.

I could use a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Anyone know who I can sue ? :D
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I don't mean to be flip on such serious subjects, but: sure, take a shot at your parents, grandparents, etc., and claim they victimized you many decades ago but you 'didn't remember' anything about it til just now.

Again, I don't mean to be flip, but the entire subject is too similar to the 'repressed/recovered memory' scam that destroyed countless numbers of innocent people, and isn't completely gone now either.
First, individuals pressing for no statute of limitations;
Second, no proof required to make accusations, and no way for wrongfully accused persons to defend themselves;
Third, widening the definitions of 'sexual' and 'abuse' to cover incidents that were neither.

On the last point, example of current subject- an actress who was one of the forerunners of the "#metoo movement" was quoted in L.A. Times about her 'sexual assault when she was a teenager': she said at age 17, a man grabbed her by the elbow and told her she must dance with him; when she said no, he grabbed her by the hair, so she kicked him and he punched her. Assault-and-battery, probably, but how would it be considered a 'sexual' assault?
Example of the former- a guy arrived home after work, and commented to his teenage daughter that he was tired because he had a long hard day at work. Looking back, she accused him of 'emotional incest' because such comments allegedly should have been reserved for his wife.
And an additional similarity: the actress claimed sexual assault had happened to 'every girl she knew,' while 'recovered memory' authors asserted that nearly all women and many men were victimized.

www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine...cia-Burgus-and-Multiple-Personality-Disorder/
 
And then there was the "incident" where a woman accused a man, at work, of sexual harassment because he put his hand on her shoulder as he leaned over to read a document that she was showing him. She claimed emotional trauma and the insurance company paid her in a "settlement" so the company would not have to suffer the negative reputation stemming from a public trial.
 
Traveler said:
And then there was the "incident" where a woman accused a man, at work, of sexual harassment because he put his hand on her shoulder as he leaned over to read a document that she was showing him. She claimed emotional trauma and the insurance company paid her in a "settlement" so the company would not have to suffer the negative reputation stemming from a public trial.
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Common sense is also shot to hell, isn't it? Geez.
 
applecruncher said:
You certainly are playing loose with the facts.

Are we/you talking about the recent Bill Cosby trial?
Are you aware that Cosby admitted, in a deposition, that he drugged women (plural) then had sex with them?
Are you certain Cosby is going to prison? (he hasn't been sentenced yet)
I have no idea who "she" is.
Cosby and his wife keep all his money minus legal fees.
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I know, right? :eek:nthego:
 
rgp said:
Is being accused of "an unwanted sexual advance"...I believe it was stated?

Just what that is , is subject to opinion. Like the others this was 20+ years ago...so of course we are expected to just believe the accusation.

So exactly what would be the appropriate [on job] punishment...for such a horrible action? Along that line...what would be the appropriate punishment if found guilty in a court of law for said horrible action?

At this point it is merely he said / she said...but of course we all know that the SHE is above reproach & as such should be believed without question....Right?......Do I have it right this time ladies ?
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She admitted her career was on the line if she didn't reciprocate.

Russian girls laugh at this.

Their attitude? You gotta do what you gotta do.
 
rgp said:
Is being accused of "an unwanted sexual advance"...I believe it was stated?

Just what that is , is subject to opinion. Like the others this was 20+ years ago...so of course we are expected to just believe the accusation.

So exactly what would be the appropriate [on job] punishment...for such a horrible action? Along that line...what would be the appropriate punishment if found guilty in a court of law for said horrible action?

At this point it is merely he said / she said...but of course we all know that the SHE is above reproach & as such should be believed without question....Right?......Do I have it right this time ladies ?
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She admitted her career was on the line if she didn't reciprocate.

Russian girls laugh at this.

Their attitude? You gotta do what you gotta do.

Excerpt:
There is nothing surprising about Russian propaganda’s using sex scandals to incite anti-Western and anti-American feelings. What is noteworthy here is that Russian voices from all walks of life are united in sympathy for Weinstein—and, through him, for all men guilty of harassment. Rabid patriots and harsh opponents of the regime alike, men and women, have all expressed a rare unanimity in defense of the “natural right” to sex in the workplace. They are also united in the conviction that in questions of sex, Russia is nothing like the West, and that Western rules have no authority in Russia.

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-are-russian-women-opposed-to-metoo/
 
I remember watching Dr. Joyce Brothers, who was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson years back. She made the comment that innocent flirtations were acceptable and even good for one's spirit, if the flirtations are acknowledged by the other party. She made the claim that she does it at dinner parties, just to keep the romance alive in her marriage. Neither her or her husband are (were) the jealous type, but knowing that there is someone else out there that finds you attractive is a turn on for some people. And, as long as that's as far as it goes, it's considered healthy.
 
But still no guidelines to let a guy know what is ok. How is the poor guy expected to know?

I'm glad I'm well out of the game !

As I said prior, 'The only winning move, is not to play.' Don't ask out, don't date, and for God's sake don't sleep with her.

I feel sorry for todays active men.
 
JaniceM said:
I don't mean to be flip on such serious subjects, but: sure, take a shot at your parents, grandparents, etc., and claim they victimized you many decades ago but you 'didn't remember' anything about it til just now.

Again, I don't mean to be flip, but the entire subject is too similar to the 'repressed/recovered memory' scam that destroyed countless numbers of innocent people, and isn't completely gone now either.
First, individuals pressing for no statute of limitations;
Second, no proof required to make accusations, and no way for wrongfully accused persons to defend themselves;
Third, widening the definitions of 'sexual' and 'abuse' to cover incidents that were neither.

On the last point, example of current subject- an actress who was one of the forerunners of the "#metoo movement" was quoted in L.A. Times about her 'sexual assault when she was a teenager': she said at age 17, a man grabbed her by the elbow and told her she must dance with him; when she said no, he grabbed her by the hair, so she kicked him and he punched her. Assault-and-battery, probably, but how would it be considered a 'sexual' assault?
Example of the former- a guy arrived home after work, and commented to his teenage daughter that he was tired because he had a long hard day at work. Looking back, she accused him of 'emotional incest' because such comments allegedly should have been reserved for his wife.
And an additional similarity: the actress claimed sexual assault had happened to 'every girl she knew,' while 'recovered memory' authors asserted that nearly all women and many men were victimized.

www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-1998/Dangerous-Therapy-The-Story-of-Patricia-Burgus-and-Multiple-Personality-Disorder/
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Everything happening under the law as sexual assault counts and people have been abused...Don't forget that.
 
What puzzles me about alot of these cases especially at NBC if you include Matt Lauer is that corporate HR blew it. I worked in the corporate world in the 1980s and we were read the riot act on sexual harassment, play nice, no cursing etc. We had meetings, were issued pamphlets & memos and had to sign for them-once a year. I guess millionaire broadcasters were exempt from those meetings and work place rules.

That being said there seems to be a degree of status with victimhood. "me too" is quite fitting. But the movement is detracting from more serious offenses that led to physical harm and not mild contact or attempted advances. It does show Brokaw as a slime ball who crossed the line but should he lose his bank account or go to jail? I will say this accuser spoke about it on tape and not in a tweet or two. She spells it out. Brokaw's attempted kiss could be assault since there was physical contact.

But again where was corporate. If corporate lawyers were pooping twinkies over possible lawsuits between low profile lower level employees how could they not be worried about one of their high profile celebrity status employees. Even back then celebrities weren't exactly known to behave themselves.
 
20 years ago some of these behaviors were accepted as normal/acceptable. Whistling and howling at women walking down the streets was common. Touching women in nonsexual ways was accepted. Today I would never compliment a woman's beauty. There is a young woman where I bank with skin that jumps out you being incredibly smooth and flawless and years ago I would have said something to her but not today. We now live under microscopes in every facet of our lives. Frivolous lawsuits are as common as coffee now days.
 
Wow! I'm not sure if some of you have very poor memories of the working environment up through the late 1980s or if I lived in a parallel universe, but sexual pressure and harassment were alive, well, and a constant irritant to many women. As a department manager I had to dodge many a male executive who had big paws - and I'm not talking about someone resting a hand on my shoulder while looking at numbers we were crunching. Sexual innuendos were nearly non-stop in those days as was the pressure to sleep with the boss.

Make no mistake - the women who outed Bill Cosby were raped while unconscious - there's no other way to spin it. Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose's reputations were destroyed because of their own offensive and aggressive actions, not because some overly sensitive, whining female misinterpreted innocent attempts at friendship.

As for people reporting incidents from long ago, please don't judge what you don't understand. Women are now coming forward because they felt powerless at the time it was happening. I know, having been molested by a family member as a teenager. I kept silent for a long time partly because I believed I was somehow responsible - perhaps I was unwittingly seducing him. Mostly though, I was sure that nobody would believe me if I did say something. (He was a well respected man and I was a "dopey teenager" - who would believe me?). Even if someone did believe me, I was certain that nothing would happen to him, but my life would become even more of a living hell than it already was.

Very few people will come forward publicly as having been molested, harassed or raped if it weren't true. It's an ugly stain on those who've lived it and we feel terrible shame at having somehow allowed ourselves to be thusly victimized.
 

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