Ohio Town Proposes A 3 Strikes Law for Narcan Use On Opiate Overdoses

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An Ohio town is proposing a 3 strikes rule on the use of Narcan used to revive opiate overdosing drug addicts. If a 2 time previous addict/narcan recipient didn't complete their sentence of community service and/or followed up with a program theoretically the dispatcher knowing this will not dispatch emergency services. If emergencies services are on site they could still use it.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/health/kno...three-strikes-youre-out-narcan-plan/451722115

The use of Narcan has strained local budgets with little end in sight. In this one town the budget for Narcan had to be tripled in a year. Drug overdoses and/or drug deaths are on pace to double last year's numbers. They say it's about management of the town's resources and not a solution to the drug problem.
 

Given that a dose of Narcan can cost over $4,000, its easy to see why local communities would want to do something about this. If a person is dumb enough to use these illegal drugs and overdoses, they deserve little sympathy, IMO.
 
I tend to agree Don. My bleeding heart liberalism only goes so far.
 

Don M. said:
Given that a dose of Narcan can cost over $4,000, its easy to see why local communities would want to do something about this. If a person is dumb enough to use these illegal drugs and overdoses, they deserve little sympathy, IMO.
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A person can do anything they want but should not expect the taxpayers or any third party to pay for their illegal behavior let alone tolerate it. Even the clean and sober joe can billed for something like a false alarm if the police respond to nothing, especially if its the same location.

My guess there will be a new version doubling or tripling community service and/or some jail.
 
This is what will happen:
1: drug and alcohol abuse has lately been considered a disease, so penalizing an abuser will be the civil liberties union next cause.

2: the 3 strike rule will be reset if they attend treatment.

3: a huge lawsuit will be filed causing that community to go bankrupt.

Just a guess here......
 
hauntedtexan said:
This is what will happen:
1: drug and alcohol abuse has lately been considered a disease, so penalizing an abuser will be the civil liberties union next cause.

2: the 3 strike rule will be reset if they attend treatment.

3: a huge lawsuit will be filed causing that community to go bankrupt.

Just a guess here......
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Key word lawsuit. My dear little johnny who should've been dead months ago was not given yet another wasted chance.

I'd attach/garner the lawsuit payouts for funding for the victims, damage and resources used up by these addicts.
 
I think that we have an obligation to try and save them and that they should have an obligation to pay for the services provided by the first responders. Collecting payment may be difficult or impossible just like it is when hospitals admit and treat people that have no insurance or visible means of support. I don't feel comfortable with denying anyone medical care.
 
hauntedtexan said:
Then the charges should go to the parents for their lack of judgement by letting their child become a menace. There are programs available when the parents see the issue. Pay now or later.....
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Really? Have you ever had teenagers? All mine turned out to be OK but I attribute that to blind luck. It could have easily gone the other way and there wouldn't have been much that I could have done about it.
 
hauntedtexan said:
Then the charges should go to the parents for their lack of judgement by letting their child become a menace. There are programs available when the parents see the issue. Pay now or later.....
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Hmmm, in my professional experience, it is not always possible for parents to control their children. The situation is often complex. Unless one is rich, there are only so many available spaces for rehab. Waiting lists abound. Addiction is a disease, not

a character flaw. I have seen wonderful parents torn apart by their offspring's addiction. Punishing them would be a travesty of justice, and sadistic in the extreme. The politics of blame can be very toxic indeed.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I think that we have an obligation to try and save them and that they should have an obligation to pay for the services provided by the first responders. Collecting payment may be difficult or impossible just like it is when hospitals admit and treat people that have no insurance or visible means of supporte.
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Repeat offenders would piss me off also,but to with hold a lifesaving measure when one is available? I drove a medical cab for a while, it was pretty much driving druggies to doctors. Some of these folks were pretty much the bottom of the barrel, but they were still human.

One in particular sticks out in my mind. Pregnant junkie,drove her 60 miles every other day for her methadone therapy. Childrens services were going to take the baby immediately on birth as they had her two previous children.

Now I am sure that there are a few choice adjectives that some are thinking about this girl.. You know what mine are? Sweet,smart, funny, kind,loving,tragic. She is just a very sick person that is never going to recover,and she is worth the cost to society.


As frustrating as all this is, I am not willing to see any more bodies in the street than there all ready are.

Wait a bit, I just Googled Narcan, comes up about 50 bucks a dose. Is it possible that 4000.00dollar figure is amortizing the cost of the equipment the salaries and benefits of the personnel to administer and various and sundrie other charges and fees designed to make the program unpalatable to the taxpayer?
 
When we all were kids, heroin was around along with other drugs but I never dove into that cesspool out of the respect my parents taught me, hand in hand with the school system. Today, it seems the parents rely on the schools to discipline and raise the kids. Respect has been replaced by threats of lawsuits, family dinners replaced with latch key kids and nobody ever eating together because their faces are buried in cell phones or laptops or iPads. A circle of friends, when I was a kid, was known to the circle of parents. Today, most of the friends could walk by and never be recognized, all 1000+ they have on their facebook account. It has been a long tragic journey to get to this social cesspool with big money driving every step of the way. So, who is at fault? Who has the ultimate responsibility? What is the kids last name, look there.....
 
hauntedtexan said:
When we all were kids, heroin was around along with other drugs but I never dove into that cesspool out of the respect my parents taught me, hand in hand with the school system. Today, it seems the parents rely on the schools to discipline and raise the kids. Respect has been replaced by threats of lawsuits, family dinners replaced with latch key kids and nobody ever eating together because their faces are buried in cell phones or laptops or iPads. A circle of friends, when I was a kid, was known to the circle of parents. Today, most of the friends could walk by and never be recognized, all 1000+ they have on their facebook account. It has been a long tragic journey to get to this social cesspool with big money driving every step of the way. So, who is at fault? Who has the ultimate responsibility? What is the kids last name, look there.....
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When I was a teenager, I didn't have the money to get in trouble. Drugs? Wouldn't have had any idea where to get them. My association with drugs was having a friend whose older brother's roommate at the university went to a party where marijuana was being smoked, at least he thought that's what it was.... Alcohol? Well, it was around but it was pretty hard to get and when you did get hold of it you had to share with so many people it was hardly worth it. Example: there's a party going on in someone's basement and somebody, somehow has snuck in a 6-pack of beer. So there's twelve kids sharing six bottles of beer. Boy, were we wicked or what?

It was a lot easier to resist the temptation of alcohol and drugs back then. Nobody was waving them in our faces.
 
hauntedtexan said:
When we all were kids, heroin was around along with other drugs but I never dove into that cesspool out of the respect my parents taught me, hand in hand with the school system. Today, it seems the parents rely on the schools to discipline and raise the kids. Respect has been replaced by threats of lawsuits, family dinners replaced with latch key kids and nobody ever eating together because their faces are buried in cell phones or laptops or iPads. A circle of friends, when I was a kid, was known to the circle of parents. Today, most of the friends could walk by and never be recognized, all 1000+ they have on their facebook account. It has been a long tragic journey to get to this social cesspool with big money driving every step of the way. So, who is at fault? Who has the ultimate responsibility? What is the kids last name, look there.....
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What does a child's last name have to do with the situation? I am confused.
 
Robusta said:
Repeat offenders would piss me off also,but to with hold a lifesaving measure when one is available? I drove a medical cab for a while, it was pretty much driving druggies to doctors. Some of these folks were pretty much the bottom of the barrel, but they were still human.

One in particular sticks out in my mind. Pregnant junkie,drove her 60 miles every other day for her methadone therapy. Childrens services were going to take the baby immediately on birth as they had her two previous children.

Now I am sure that there are a few choice adjectives that some are thinking about this girl.. You know what mine are? Sweet,smart, funny, kind,loving,tragic. She is just a very sick person that is never going to recover,and she is worth the cost to society.


As frustrating as all this is, I am not willing to see any more bodies in the street than there all ready are.

Wait a bit, I just Googled Narcan, comes up about 50 bucks a dose. Is it possible that 4000.00dollar figure is amortizing the cost of the equipment the salaries and benefits of the personnel to administer and various and sundrie other charges and fees designed to make the program unpalatable to the taxpayer?
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That was my thought also. IMO the only real additional cost is for the gasoline used in the ambulance and the Narcan or other supplies used. The cost of the ambulance, salaries, etc... are fixed costs that need to be paid even if the ambulance never leaves the garage.
 
jujube said:
When I was a teenager, I didn't have the money to get in trouble. Drugs? Wouldn't have had any idea where to get them. My association with drugs was having a friend whose older brother's roommate at the university went to a party where marijuana was being smoked, at least he thought that's what it was.... Alcohol? Well, it was around but it was pretty hard to get and when you did get hold of it you had to share with so many people it was hardly worth it. Example: there's a party going on in someone's basement and somebody, somehow has snuck in a 6-pack of beer. So there's twelve kids sharing six bottles of beer. Boy, were we wicked or what?

It was a lot easier to resist the temptation of alcohol and drugs back then. Nobody was waving them in our faces.
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Good point! And very true. Even after I got my afternoon job in high school, I was intent on saving up for a car and wasn't about to spend my precious car savings on anything I didn't have to.
 
Butterfly said:
Good point! And very true. Even after I got my afternoon job in high school, I was intent on saving up for a car and wasn't about to spend my precious car savings on anything I didn't have to.
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And how hard you worked for that car increased it's value, didn't it? Now, the kids feel entitled to all the free electronics their room can fit and if not, a few days of drug dealing will get what they want, plus the hottest new sneakers..... If they only knew what hard work it took to keep them fed, housed and clothed safely and comfortable.
 
hauntedtexan said:
And how hard you worked for that car increased it's value, didn't it? Now, the kids feel entitled to all the free electronics their room can fit and if not, a few days of drug dealing will get what they want, plus the hottest new sneakers..... If they only knew what hard work it took to keep them fed, housed and clothed safely and comfortable.
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In my line of work, you meet many people of different backgrounds, ages, ethnicities, etc. Certainly, there are young people such as you describe. However, in my experience, they are in the minority. If one is a student of history, it becomes apparent that even in Aristotle's time, elders were complaining about the feckless younger generation.
 
hauntedtexan said:
And how hard you worked for that car increased it's value, didn't it? Now, the kids feel entitled to all the free electronics their room can fit and if not, a few days of drug dealing will get what they want, plus the hottest new sneakers..... If they only knew what hard work it took to keep them fed, housed and clothed safely and comfortable.
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Thankfully, my parents made very clear to me the value of money and the value of working for what you got. If I had asked my dad for a fancy phone or fancy sneakers, he would have fallen over laughing. When I told him I wanted a car, he famously said "Wanna car? Getta job!"
 
Butterfly said:
Thankfully, my parents made very clear to me the value of money and the value of working for what you got. If I had asked my dad for a fancy phone or fancy sneakers, he would have fallen over laughing. When I told him I wanted a car, he famously said "Wanna car? Getta job!"
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Think you're the Lone Ranger? I was told the same thing my children were told the same aas were my grandchildren,the generation to which you are referring.

Far astray from topic. Once again the ugly difference between conservatives and progressives.

You see, I know that there is a certain segment of the population that for one reason or another will always need help. It is our duty as a society to offer that help no matter how futile.
 

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