On day 10 of the Iranian revolution, the Ayatollah has fled

Paco Dennis said:
... However, the narrative that we had to choose between "us or the fish" was a false dilemma.
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(Actually, I made more of that than there was. There were some extremists, sure, but normal people knew there was no dilemma there.)
Paco Dennis said:
Offshore wind farms undergo strict environmental reviews to minimize disruption during construction, and once they are built, they frequently become thriving underwater habitats.
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As a result of many months of debate. I remember wishing I could go with the dive teams that studied some of the proposed farm sites. Beautiful places.

I remember, too, when environmentalists were finally placated with vast stretches of sandy sea bottoms until a marine scientist pointed to a fairly long list of sandy-bottom dwellers, including one specie of intelligent octopus.
(but no Spongebobs or Patricks)
 
Murrmurr said:
No. It was debated by agencies and scientists and the public.
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Think Tanks & Policy Institutes
Research has indicated that many seemingly local groups are supported or spearheaded by larger, well-funded organizations with ties to the fossil fuel industry.
  • Caesar Rodney Institute (CRI): A Delaware-based libertarian think tank that has been a major player in coordinating anti-wind efforts across the East Coast.
  • Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF): This group has filed lawsuits on behalf of the fishing industry to block federal approval of wind projects.
  • Heartland Institute & CFACT: Both organizations are known for their skepticism of climate science and have funded aerial advertisements and billboards against offshore wind.
 
We do have is documentation that the admin sued to stop these 2 or 3 offshore wind projects because of "national security", .gov prevailed initially but in the end higher courts allowed the companies to start the wind farms, since they were already fully reviewed and permitted. So failing to stop the projects in court forced .gov to buy the companies out at the cost of 2 BILLION USD which will be added to the national debt.

Paco can you hear me???
 
againstthegrain said:
We do have is documentation that the admin sued to stop these 2 or 3 offshore wind projects because of "national security", .gov prevailed initially but in the end higher courts allowed the companies to start the wind farms, since they were already fully reviewed and permitted. So failing to stop the projects in court forced .gov to buy the companies out at the cost of 2 BILLION USD which will be added to the national debt.

Paco can you hear me???
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Wait. So the issue was debated??

Well I'll be hornswaggled.
 
againstthegrain said:
We do have is documentation that the admin sued to stop these 2 or 3 offshore wind projects because of "national security", .gov prevailed initially but in the end higher courts allowed the companies to start the wind farms, since they were already fully reviewed and permitted. So failing to stop the projects in court forced .gov to buy the companies out at the cost of 2 BILLION USD which will be added to the national debt.

Paco can you hear me???
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againstthegrain said:
Holy chit, I'm stuck down the rabbit hole w @Paco Dennis. Somebody throw me line please!!!
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Loud and clear! I just hope that $2 billion includes a senior discount for the rest of us. At this rate, the national debt is the only thing growing faster than the weeds on my back 40. :)
 
againstthegrain said:
The new "phase" of the war, "Project Freedom" is now focused on regaining control from Iran over the strait of Hormuz.
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This caught my attention this evening when I accidentally ended up watching Sky News in the UK. I ended up with a quizzical look on my face, a little disbelieving.

Essentially, they seemed to be trying to reframe the war effort. They were trying to make it only about the Strait, and since the Strait is international waters, then the UN needs to get involved. BUT - do they really think we're going to forget that the reason there is an issue in the Strait is because of the Iran war?!?! You can't separate the two. Before the war started, the Strait was open.

Honestly, this is lame political maneuvering that is completely transparent. I hope the UN stays well out of it.
 
VaughanJB said:
This caught my attention this evening when I accidentally ended up watching Sky News in the UK. I ended up with a quizzical look on my face, a little disbelieving.

Essentially, they seemed to be trying to reframe the war effort. They were trying to make it only about the Strait, and since the Strait is international waters, then the UN needs to get involved. BUT - do they really think we're going to forget that the reason there is an issue in the Strait is because of the Iran war?!?! You can't separate the two. Before the war started, the Strait was open.

Honestly, this is lame political maneuvering that is completely transparent. I hope the UN stays well out of it.
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How could anyone accidentally watch Sky News? That's like accidentally steering your car into a guardrail.

In all seriousness, I get it. I will sometimes turn on the TV and whatever is on will play. Lucky for me, it's a local channel and it's the Kelly Clarkson show. Completely inoffensive, unlike Sky News.
 
seadoug said:
How could anyone accidentally watch Sky News? That's like accidentally steering your car into a guardrail.

In all seriousness, I get it. I will sometimes turn on the TV and whatever is on will play. Lucky for me, it's a local channel and it's the Kelly Clarkson show. Completely inoffensive, unlike Sky News.
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Let me explain. :D

I have had some computer problems. It's an old machine, and it splutters and chokes sometimes. Anyway, I have my PC hooked up to my TV, which effectively I use only as a monitor. So, while my computer was off (I leave it on 24/7 usually), my TV flicked through all the HDMI ports automatically, looking for a signal. It didn't find one, so it settled into it's own operating system. That has apps for all kinds of things, and it seems to have defaulted to Sky News.

Hence - I "accidentally" had the channel going in the background while I tried (and happily succeeded) to breathe more life into the old girl. :)

Having heard it for a little while, I shall not be going back.
 
Oh wait news is the Saudi's put the kibosh on escorting ships, "Project Freedom", through the SoH, which was then "paused." That's 3 minor powers Israel, Iran, and the Saudi's that control the outcome.
 
againstthegrain said:
Oh wait news is the Saudi's put the kibosh on escorting ships, "Project Freedom", through the SoH, which was then "paused." That's 3 minor powers Israel, Iran, and the Saudi's that control the outcome.
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This must drive the military absolutely crazy. Escorting ships, as was ordered, is no easy task and involves a peril of life for members of the military. Then, what, 24 hours later it's paused. So it was all for what? How's about we have a strategy put in place and it's actually meaningful. And how's about, before we order men and women to risk their lives, that we at least commit?!
 
Regime change??? They were for it before they abandoned any hope of it happening.

"Days after Israeli strikes killed Iran’s supreme leader and other top officials in the opening salvos of the war, President Trump mused publicly that it would be best if “someone from within” Iran took over the country.

It turns out that the United States and Israel went into the conflict with a particular and very surprising someone in mind: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the former Iranian president known for his hard-line, anti-Israel and anti-American views.

But the audacious plan, developed by the Israelis and which Mr. Ahmadinejad had been consulted about, quickly went awry, according to the U.S. officials who were briefed on it.

Mr. Ahmadinejad was injured on the war’s first day by an Israeli strike at his home in Tehran that had been designed to free him from house arrest, the American officials and an associate of Mr. Ahmadinejad said. He survived the strike, they said, but after the near miss he became disillusioned with the regime change plan."
 
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"We're at or ahead of schedule."


"Iran’s Revolutionary Guards warned on Wednesday that any new attack on the country would provoke them to spread the war beyond the Middle East, raising the stakes of diplomatic efforts to end the conflict.

In a statement reported by Iranian state media, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, a powerful military force that answers directly to the country’s supreme leader, said that if “aggression against Iran is repeated,” it would deliver blows “in places you cannot even imagine.”

President Trump said this week that he had postponed a "very major attack" against Iran after the leaders of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar had asked for more time to pursue an agreement over Iran’s nuclear program. There was a “very good chance” that a deal could be reached, he said, but he was vague when asked how long Tehran had to return to the negotiating table, saying only “a limited period of time.”

The dueling messages underscore the fragile state of diplomacy between the two countries, while the Guards’ threat echoed growing fears in Washington that Iran or allied groups could seek to strike Western interests outside the region."


Failed to install Ahmadinejad.

Failed to control the Straight of Hormuz.

Failed to secure the nuke material.
 
The military tactics used work best if followed up by a ground invasion because the destroyed communications and command structure would have been a benefit with troops on the ground.

So does Iran have any infrastructure to call and/or communicate the shots or is it fanatics doing what fanatics do.
 
againstthegrain said:
President Trump said this week that he had postponed a "very major attack" against Iran after the leaders of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar had asked for more time to pursue an agreement over Iran’s nuclear program. There was a “very good chance” that a deal could be reached, he said, but he was vague when asked how long Tehran had to return to the negotiating table, saying only “a limited period of time.”
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That's quite some trick, where you postpone something you've not even announced. Almost sounds like it was made up on the spot for a soundbite.

There will be no agreement in this war. The US is demanding the Iran gives up it's strategic advantage, for no gain. Iran is standing its ground, and so we have no room for discussion.

Iran has proven it can strike back, and that losing its leader won't bring it to its knees. I think it is more likely now that US/Israel will seek to destabilize the country as this becomes a war of attrition. That means arming groups within the country that are against the government, training them, giving them intel, etc. Any US troops that do get involved will be in support of these goals.

In the mean time it's now time to focus on Cuba. That is the next country that will be attacked one way or another. It is a mistake not to recognize that these things are related. It's part of a master plan to ensure Israel can rule over the middle east, and energy (oil) reserves are under US control.

In the mean time, this will all take lots of arms, which feeds the military industrial complex just fine.
 
Thought some might need a laugh at this point:

"...and the Iranian people did it all by themselves. They've got a ways to go...phase 2....but a win is inevitable at this point.

It's expected Iran's exiled Crowned Prince will return soon. Israel is standing by with military assistance if Iranians request it, and Britain and the US are standing by with food and medical aid, as well as military assistance, mainly organizational, if the Crowned Prince requests it.

Good news for Iranians."
 
againstthegrain said:
Thought some might need a laugh at this point:

"...and the Iranian people did it all by themselves. They've got a ways to go...phase 2....but a win is inevitable at this point.

It's expected Iran's exiled Crowned Prince will return soon. Israel is standing by with military assistance if Iranians request it, and Britain and the US are standing by with food and medical aid, as well as military assistance, mainly organizational, if the Crowned Prince requests it.

Good news for Iranians."
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Good grief, they truly need to up their propaganda game.
 
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