Only in America..

Republicans have earned and collect Medicare, SS.
Are we going to shoot ourselves in the foot?
Lemmings learn from others.
I think I will have a dirty glass of water <silly and childish>
 

darroll said:
Republicans have earned and collect Medicare, SS.
Are we going to shoot ourselves in the foot?
Lemmings learn from others.
I think I will have a dirty glass of water <silly and childish>
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Sorry Darroll..... but the "Republicans" you vote for and send to Washington do not give a Rat's Patoot about your Medicare or SS.. You only think they do. They are solely for Corporations.. and Wall Street. Wall Street has wanted to get it's grubby little hands on your Social Security for decades... so they can piss it away in risky deals and trading... THEN when they lose it? You are SOL.. As for your Medicare? They want to voucherize it.. Paul Ryan wants to give Seniors a voucher and send us out on the open market to try to buy Medical insurance from private insurance companies. What possibly could go wrong with that.
 
So many are totally unaware that the Republican party has made a concerted effort to eliminate or "hand off" the SS and medicare programs, since in the case of Medicare, LBJ days. You would think they would at least remember George Bush's effort to turn SS into wall street stock game. BTW Had he succeeded we would have been wiped out when the modern big bust came. Paul Ryan made it his goal to get Medicare on that voucher program which would have been a disaster for most of us.
 

QuickSilver said:
Sorry Darroll..... but the "Republicans" you vote for and send to Washington do not give a Rat's Patoot about your Medicare or SS.. You only think they do. They are solely for Corporations.. and Wall Street. Wall Street has wanted to get it's grubby little hands on your Social Security for decades... so they can piss it away in risky deals and trading... THEN when they lose it? You are SOL.. As for your Medicare? They want to voucherize it.. Paul Ryan wants to give Seniors a voucher and send us out on the open market to try to buy Medical insurance from private insurance companies. What possibly could go wrong with that.
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And just where do you think Obama has been busy for his six years so far. Working for and against industries. Ones that he wanted, most failed, and those he did not want he helped to dispose of. He is full of ideas but needs a Congress to help him make up his mind. Mostly, Congresses ideas have been shut down, never heard, and the only times he has even pretended to listen to the Congress was when he was pretending to have a budget bill to pass. Doesn't $80 billion debt bother anyone at all? It should as one day all that will come down on the US and there won't be much left to live life with. Maybe that was Obama's goal. Total despair so they could just change the laws, get rid of the Constitution, put us all into a government covered group. No need for freedoms after that.

Both SS and Medicare are in good hands with a more conservative group in charge. Changes that have been looked at are how to make the costs of these offerings less expensive and available to all who have worked and paid to earn them. SS is doing fine for most of us as we also ended up doing things for our future savings. SS plus some other incomes have done a lot for me. I sold my house and banked that money. I went to a different part of the country and bought a smaller and less expensive house to retire too. For medicare, I had a company offered plan that I retired too. Now with Obama care, there were some activities that made it more expensive so the retiring company cut their service and gave each of us money to buy this new Obama care set up insurance. It appears that the insurance is costing me a bit more, but not long enough yet to see if it will actually be no more expensive. Not sure about that at all. Far too much is kept out of site, so who really knows? Our offering might have been fair at the beginning, but over time not enough to cover the rising cost I will be asked to cover. This year our cost did rise a few dollars, how about next year and next year after that. And those cost go to all Republicans and Democrats and independents.

And for SS there was no plan to make it all different. The plan, as I remember it, was to offer an option to those that wanted to do so, invest in a different plan. Probably not much worse than our present plan that is a few years from bankruptcy. I don't believe that SS was ever meant to be the sole service to provide a way to retire to only the incomes from SS. It is a nice subsidy that will help any and all.
 
AZ Jim said:
So many are totally unaware that the Republican party has made a concerted effort to eliminate or "hand off" the SS and medicare programs, since in the case of Medicare, LBJ days. You would think they would at least remember George Bush's effort to turn SS into wall street stock game. BTW Had he succeeded we would have been wiped out when the modern big bust came. Paul Ryan made it his goal to get Medicare on that voucher program which would have been a disaster for most of us.
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AND if by some fluke, they gain control of the Congress AND the White House... THAT is going to be their first order of business
 
Falcon said:
directed at The United States of America!

Canadian's Version of David Letterman's Top 10

This is Canada's Top Ten List of America's Stupidity..

10) Only in America ... could Democrat politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 a plate campaign fund-raising event.

9) Only in America ... could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans when they have a black President, a black Attorney General and roughly 20% of the federal workforce is black while only 14% of the population is black. 40% of all federal entitlements go to black Americans – 3X the rate that go to whites, 5X the rate that go to Hispanics!

8) Only in America .... could they have had the two people most responsible for our tax code, Democrat Timothy Geithner (the head of the Treasury Department) and Democrat Charles Rangel (who once ran the Ways and Means Committee), BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

7) Only in America ... can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

6) Only in America ... would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, while they discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just 'magically' become American citizens.

5) Only in America .. could people such as Tea Party and Libertarians who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as "extremists."

4) Only in America ... could you need to present a driver's license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

3) Only in America .. could people demand the government investigate whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. oil company (Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes (Nike).

2) Only in America ... could the Democrat Administration collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a Trillion dollars more than it has per year - for total spending of $7-Million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money.

1) Only in America ... could the rich people - who pay 86% of all income taxes - be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who DO NOT pay any income taxes at all. (
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Truly excellent, geez, as it was so often promised, "it's time for change" will it ever happen, I mean for the good of the people "type change".
 
This is one part of our Constitution that should help keep our government under control. The US Constitution and it first Amendment. There is no reason for these hateful notes. I think we should be able to discuss activities without the hateful and wrong comments being put in to them. For me, I a Republican in order to have some say in primaries and candidate selection. But when I vote I really appreciate that they have removed the "Party" vote block as I do not always agree with the candidates of either one or the other parties, so I make a "best choice" vote of all and then move on. Party choice should not matter either as they should split into working groups and then debate and work on these problems to solve them or close them. There should be no 'this party' or 'that party' only type of work in the Congress. That is one thing that has made our government so much better as forcing the party merging is good for us all.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

[h=2]Amendment I[/h]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
BobF says "There is no reason for these hateful notes." Seems to me you might have initiated the hateful comments when you equated all who disagree with you as "losers". Remember? So, was this meant to be your apology?
 
Please take me back to that post. I may have said such, don't know. But most of what I keep reading is thoughtless and unsubstantiated. Exciting things like 'ME TOO'. Facts are important and opinions just that. An opinion and little else.

One of the recent Democrats for President, had a Republican Congress and he did quite well and reduced our debt a bit, got the care for unemployed redone so that all would get money till they got a job. He put an end to the many generations of people doing nothing but collecting stamps and money from the government. He gave them some time to train and go to work, or the money would stop anyway. I believe that his comfort zone was limited to 2 years care then followed by some down grading of money they could get from the government programs.
 
BobF said:
Please take me back to that post. I may have said such, don't know. But most of what I keep reading is thoughtless and unsubstantiated. Exciting things like 'ME TOO'. Facts are important and opinions just that. An opinion and little else.

One of the recent Democrats for President, had a Republican Congress and he did quite well and reduced our debt a bit, got the care for unemployed redone so that all would get money till they got a job. He put an end to the many generations of people doing nothing but collecting stamps and money from the government. He gave them some time to train and go to work, or the money would stop anyway. I believe that his comfort zone was limited to 2 years care then followed by some down grading of money they could get from the government programs.
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Thank you Falcon. It is good to have someone post honest and truthful items in spite of these way left losers that love Obama so badly.

I would like to officially copy this material. Do you have original source you could share?




Next time THINK before running your mouth.
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I would think some thinking is what I was asking of those far left losers. Are you of the far left, then you have a problem. Just being concerned enough for me to vote a Democrat option does not make me far left at all. I guess I could be a swing voter? Whatever. Look to those you claim I am hurting. Depending on what they have said, they are saying nothing of value. so they are losers then. Just taking up space on this forum and not saying one thing of value. I have posted on this above. Insulting for some to be posting things that are untrue, lies, and insisting they are facts. Amazing posts to me for sure. Post some facts and add in links to support the facts. If folks think the Republicans are doing wrong, then post information about those wrongs and who did it etc. Republicans are bad is not good enough. Because it is not true at all. Just like Democrats are not all bad either. So I swing my vote from one to the other at election times. This bit that some want to have all in a party to vote together is wrong. Not all of us think the same. That is why they have worked on the ballots and back in 1949? they took out the party tags and force each candidate to get their own votes rather than just the party named.
 
BobF said:
I would think some thinking is what I was asking of those far left losers. Are you of the far left, then you have a problem. Just being concerned enough for me to vote a Democrat option does not make me far left at all. I guess I could be a swing voter? Whatever. Look to those you claim I am hurting. Depending on what they have said, they are saying nothing of value. so they are losers then. Just taking up space on this forum and not saying one thing of value. I have posted on this above. Insulting for some to be posting things that are untrue, lies, and insisting they are facts. Amazing posts to me for sure. Post some facts and add in links to support the facts. If folks think the Republicans are doing wrong, then post information about those wrongs and who did it etc. Republicans are bad is not good enough. Because it is not true at all. Just like Democrats are not all bad either. So I swing my vote from one to the other at election times. This bit that some want to have all in a party to vote together is wrong. Not all of us think the same. That is why they have worked on the ballots and back in 1949? they took out the party tags and force each candidate to get their own votes rather than just the party named.
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OMG..... You sound just like Sarah Palin... Are you her speech writer? :lofl:
 
BobF said:
I would think some thinking is what I was asking of those far left losers. Are you of the far left, then you have a problem. Just being concerned enough for me to vote a Democrat option does not make me far left at all. I guess I could be a swing voter? Whatever. Look to those you claim I am hurting. Depending on what they have said, they are saying nothing of value. so they are losers then. Just taking up space on this forum and not saying one thing of value. I have posted on this above. Insulting for some to be posting things that are untrue, lies, and insisting they are facts. Amazing posts to me for sure. Post some facts and add in links to support the facts. If folks think the Republicans are doing wrong, then post information about those wrongs and who did it etc. Republicans are bad is not good enough. Because it is not true at all. Just like Democrats are not all bad either. So I swing my vote from one to the other at election times. This bit that some want to have all in a party to vote together is wrong. Not all of us think the same. That is why they have worked on the ballots and back in 1949? they took out the party tags and force each candidate to get their own votes rather than just the party named.
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Your apology is accepted. The rest of your reply is just words that mean nothing strung together, but thanks for playing.
 
God I love discussing politics with liberals.
They have talking points and that's all that they say.
My party never tells me what to say or who to vote for.
Hint: I did not vote for McCain or Romney.
Note: Someone SUGGESTED having a voucher plan for SS.
The libs took this as a thing to wipe out SS.
Some people are smart enough to do their own retirement plan, if the man would let them escape from SS and Medicare.
 
The voucher plan was for Medicare not Social Security (BTW it wasn't a "suggestion" it was in the Paul Ryan budget plan).. Bush's proposal would have put Social Security in the hands of wall street speculators and had it happened we would have been wiped out in the crash. "Escape" from Medicare and Social Security would put millions who paid for it their entire lives on the streets literally. Darroll never come to a gun fight with nothing but a knife. PS none of the forgoing is "talking points" and if you use Google you can verify them.
 
I can't believe you folks think my posts are about nothing. I used examples and spoke properly at that. I did not put down Democrats or Republicans nor the non affiliated either. Yet I get to see and read a bunch off pointless nonsense that apparently some think are really intelligent and important. Again I wrote a put down but as before I did not point to any one or the other to be the guilty. So no apology needed. Why are so many so totally out of it with an open conversation such as this was and should have stayed.

I guess for this distorted thread I will have to stand down a bit. No mercy, honesty, kindness, or whatever seems to be from those on this forum, or at least this thread anyway. US has the greatest government setup in the world. We just need to get it back on the proper trail again and get the government operating under the Constitution guidelines once again. Some don't seem to understand that way at all. There is no place in the Constitution that talks about parties running the show. It is about the voted in representatives to run the show. As can be shown by the US government history, parties can come and go while the Congress continues to lead the country, not the President making all the decisions.
 
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I don't blame you Bob. I may do the same for a spell. I love this forum but it's getting too smarmy for my taste. Some get SO wound up
they just run off at the mouth to the point of being insulting...and I certainly don't need this from ANYBODY !
 
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I don't blame you Bob. I may do the same for a spell. I love this forum but it's getting too smarmy for my taste. Some get SO wound up
they just run off at the mouth to the point of being insulting...and I certainly don't need this from ANYBODY !
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John go back and see who it was who did the name calling. It wasn't me or QS. It was BobF with his "losers" comment. I hope you will look back and see that. I value you your posts. Should we sit back and let the insults heaped upon Democrats just go?
 
I hope you don't have to go out this evening at get all wet.

You obviously have not read my posts above this dumb remark about me. I have covered all that you claim about me doing wrong. I have not done wrong and it is just you stirring this mess. This time I did name a person because you are causing far too much trouble for no reasons at all.

Prior, losers was just a general term. I have also posted that I also swing to vote Democrats in the US. That is also the way you should vote as when there is a political idiot running, vote for a Republican or Liberal or independent and not put a jerk into place.

Something else to be noticed is that with 60% now wanting Obama gone in the informal surveys, that means that there are not enough Democrats around to keep him any longer as 60% is higher than 30% and it takes 51% to take the election.
 

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