Oregon Could Be 1st State to Make Health Care a Human Right

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Oregon voters are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon voters are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...e-1st-state-to-make-health-care-a-human-right
 

I try to stay far away from Organ, that’s just me.
 

How many doctors and other health care professionals are getting ready to pack their bags?

Some folks liken socialized medicine to going to the DMV for your healthcare.
 
So, if I read correctly and the legislation passes, don't all the super sick people with very expensive and hard to treat diseases just move to Oregon? And what about the high income taxpayers and health care professionals in Oregon? Don't they just move in the opposite direction? Don't you just love it when some left wing 'majority' declares something to be a 'right' that you and I, being in the 'minority,' have to pay for? Note to self. Buy UHAL stock.
 
Good for Oregon!

They'll need a "medicare for all" type insurance program to cut costs. Private insurance adds some 20% to health care and basically they just take your money and give it to the healthcare providers after deciding whether or not they think you should be eligible for treatment. Getting rid of private insurance would save enough money to make healthcare a right and not a privilege.
 
SeniorBen said:
Good for Oregon!

They'll need a "medicare for all" type insurance program to cut costs. Private insurance adds some 20% to health care and basically they just take your money and give it to the healthcare providers after deciding whether or not they think you should be eligible for treatment. Getting rid of private insurance would save enough money to make healthcare a right and not a privilege.
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Hey, lets just make everything free! Can I have your house please?
 
Don M. said:
We pay twice as much for HC than other nations, yet rank way down the list in terms of quality of care
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I know the paying twice as much is true, we do.

However I am less certain about the quality of care thing. I kind of think our quality of care is quite good, amongst the best in the world, for those who can afford it. Unfortunately too many in the US can't afford it. I have Medicare with an AARP supplemental.

Only really needed to use medical care in the last couple of years. I have been surprised at the high quality I have gotten, and how little I have had to pay out of pocket. I do get to see what it costs, and what the insurance pays, the costs are incredible, way more than I could have paid when I was younger... guess I am lucky these things waited...
 
The Medical Industrial Complex, Phama Industries, and insurance companies are making it very hard to find adequate and reasonable scheduling. It IS getting worse. Something needs to be done as the boomers are retiring and aging isn't any cake walk. We need to be cared for, because of quality of life. If that isn't the humane way to go, then we are going to have to learn to care for ourselves.
 
Oregon will need to fund it through state taxes. In the end, people will pay more in taxes but less in healthcare because they won't need private health insurance, if state health insurance is the route they take.

Another option is to limit the amount of overhead allowed with private health insurance to 4 or 5%, which would put it in line with Medicare. Some European countries operate with those restrictions and are able to achieve universal healthcare that way.
 
Don M. said:
Eventually, the U.S. is going to have to transition to some form of Universal Healthcare....like most other developed nations. We pay twice as much for HC than other nations, yet rank way down the list in terms of quality of care.
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Where's data saying the US ranks way down in terms of quality of care? Seriously, where do I look to find out when and how that happened?
 
Pinky said:
If Canada, Australia and the U.K. could offer Universal Health Care .. so could the U.S.A.
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I don't think Canada or Australia are as dysfunctional and polarized as the U.S. is right now. And there are a lot of people here that would be willing to suffer a bit if that would prevent minorities from getting more entitlement benefits.

Preventative healthcare for all would actually save us money since some severe illnesses could be caught before they became severe. Some sick poor people are intentionally going to prison because they receive healthcare for free while they're incarcerated. Homeless people are committing crimes in order to go to prison for the winter so they won't freeze to death out on the streets.

Incarcerations cost us a lot of money. It would be cheaper to fix the problems than to continue on this road, but we lack the will.
 
CarolfromTX said:
At what cost? And who’s going to pay for it?
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Commenting on what is another nation's concern, I can only explain how the British system works, and I wouldn't mind betting that the Oregon powers that be have run the slide rule over it.
We pay our income tax at source, that means when you receive your pay check the percentage of tax that you are liable for has been deducted by your employer. In addition, your employer deducts something we call: "National Insurance." It's like a private medical insurance but it will give you free healthcare and a state pension. It costs about one eighth of your income.

Twice in my life I have received excellent medical care that has cost neither me, nor my family anything. When I was 14 I was knocked down by a motorist whilst on a pedestrian crossing. My recovery took over a year but my healthcare was second to none. Many years later someone else's carelessness cost me a broken arm, my healthcare was just as before, second to none.

The patients in our doctor's waiting rooms, health surgeries and hospitals all have differing political tendencies but politics are put aside when they need medical care. By the way and for what it's worth, private health care in the UK is a flourishing industry. Most of us pay for our optical and dental care, although we don't need to. Many of us pay for more intrusive care like major surgery, but for those who can't afford it, our State hospitals are not second rate. Read more here.
 
Murrmurr said:
Where's data saying the US ranks way down in terms of quality of care? Seriously, where do I look to find out when and how that happened?
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There are several web sites which rank the various nations healthcare systems.....The WHO, etc. Here is one that gives quite a bit of detail.

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

This site says France ranks #1, and the US comes in at # 37. This is pretty much the consensus on all the sites.
 

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