People of Color, Innocent or Non Violent Who Were Killed By Police

Every two to three weeks, there is another unarmed black guy getting killed by police. I don't believe this is necessarily a primarily racially motivated occurrence. Black guy kills a black guy = nobody cares. White guy kills a white guy=, again, nobody cares. Cop kills a black guy= riots. Sounds like racism, but police kill way more whites than blacks. I don't know the circumstance for cop on white killings, but I assume they are pretty much the same for blacks. So, if some cop on black killings are questionable, then some cop on white killings are also questionable. To me, that signifies that there is a generic problem with police procedures, and practice. In a recent cop on black killing, police surrounded a car with a black driver. The police were on the other side of the car's windows, they shouted "He got a gun. He got a gun". They could plainly see all he had was a phone in his hands. It was pure cover your ass. It points to that cowboy, shoot em up attitude.
I'm not denying racism. I couldn't remember the driver's name from above, but when I googled "white cop kills blacks", there were just so many names, I couldn't wade through them all. And I do believe being a police officer is extremely dangerous profession. And that's what some lack, professionalism.
Also, by now,the two officers should have been able to handle a drunk. He's obviously intoxicated. He should have been arrested, cuffed, and on his way to jail, right after they determined he was drunk.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
Every two to three weeks, there is another unarmed black guy getting killed by police. I don't believe this is necessarily a primarily racially motivated occurrence. Black guy kills a black guy = nobody cares. White guy kills a white guy=, again, nobody cares. Cop kills a black guy= riots. Sounds like racism, but police kill way more whites than blacks. I don't know the circumstance for cop on white killings, but I assume they are pretty much the same for blacks. So, if some cop on black killings are questionable, then some cop on white killings are also questionable. To me, that signifies that there is a generic problem with police procedures, and practice. In a recent cop on black killing, police surrounded a car with a black driver. The police were on the other side of the car's windows, they shouted "He got a gun. He got a gun". They could plainly see all he had was a phone in his hands. It was pure cover your ass. It points to that cowboy, shoot em up attitude.
I'm not denying racism. I couldn't remember the driver's name from above, but when I googled "white cop kills blacks", there were just so many names, I couldn't wade through them all. And I do believe being a police officer is extremely dangerous profession. And that's what some lack, professionalism.
Also, by now,the two officers should have been able to handle a drunk. He's obviously intoxicated. He should have been arrested, cuffed, and on his way to jail, right after they determined he was drunk.
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And the family saying he was on the way to take his daughter skating for her birthday, while he was drunk?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Every two to three weeks, there is another unarmed black guy getting killed by police. I don't believe this is necessarily a primarily racially motivated occurrence. Black guy kills a black guy = nobody cares. White guy kills a white guy=, again, nobody cares. Cop kills a black guy= riots. Sounds like racism, but police kill way more whites than blacks. I don't know the circumstance for cop on white killings, but I assume they are pretty much the same for blacks. So, if some cop on black killings are questionable, then some cop on white killings are also questionable. To me, that signifies that there is a generic problem with police procedures, and practice. In a recent cop on black killing, police surrounded a car with a black driver. The police were on the other side of the car's windows, they shouted "He got a gun. He got a gun". They could plainly see all he had was a phone in his hands. It was pure cover your ass. It points to that cowboy, shoot em up attitude.
I'm not denying racism. I couldn't remember the driver's name from above, but when I googled "white cop kills blacks", there were just so many names, I couldn't wade through them all. And I do believe being a police officer is extremely dangerous profession. And that's what some lack, professionalism.
Also, by now,the two officers should have been able to handle a drunk. He's obviously intoxicated. He should have been arrested, cuffed, and on his way to jail, right after they determined he was drunk.
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i must agree if two officers with tazers cant restrain a drunk then they should hand in their papers, also why cant a trained police officer hit a fleeing man in the legs from ten yards, surely their ability to use their weapons must be tested before they are issued to them...
 
Mahatma said:
i must agree if two officers with tazers cant restrain a drunk then they should hand in their papers, also why cant a trained police officer hit a fleeing man in the legs from ten yards, surely their ability to use their weapons must be tested before they are issued to them...
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I guess you could compare it to a baseball major league pitcher who makes millions of dollars, trains a lot, yet manages to throw balls that walk players or create fouls that players hit. You can not win them all.
 
Sunny said:
OK, I googled, and found the following:

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

It says in 2019, blacks were 24% of the number of people killed by police, despite being 13% of the population.
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Surprised it's that low, considering the fact that blacks commit more than half of all violent crimes, despite being 13% of the population.

Look, I don't think any sane person would argue that we need to re-think police training, recruitment and tactics. Or the criminal justice system as a whole. We have far too many incarcerated people, and that includes too many young black people.

But the root of the problem (to me) is a dysfunctional culture of illegitimacy, absent fathers, drug and alcohol abuse, violence and crime.

Was that culture caused by slavery, racism and Jim Crow laws? No doubt.

Can it be fixed by eliminating police misconduct? No. (That doesn't mean misconduct and injustice shouldn't be addressed).

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that the answer begins with acknowledging all facets of the problem.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Or a thread about how black people, for the most part, don‘t adopt black children or participate in foster care as much as white people?
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I don't mean to be petty when this thread is so very serious, But:
It depends on locality. I worked in adoption and foster care for years in New York City and only a tiny percentage of our foster parents, many of whom adopted their kids, were something other than black. Just FYI. I'll bet the same is true in Chicago and most other large urban areas.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Every two to three weeks, there is another unarmed black guy getting killed by police. I don't believe this is necessarily a primarily racially motivated occurrence. Black guy kills a black guy = nobody cares. White guy kills a white guy=, again, nobody cares. Cop kills a black guy= riots. Sounds like racism, but police kill way more whites than blacks. I don't know the circumstance for cop on white killings, but I assume they are pretty much the same for blacks. So, if some cop on black killings are questionable, then some cop on white killings are also questionable. To me, that signifies that there is a generic problem with police procedures, and practice. In a recent cop on black killing, police surrounded a car with a black driver. The police were on the other side of the car's windows, they shouted "He got a gun. He got a gun". They could plainly see all he had was a phone in his hands. It was pure cover your ass. It points to that cowboy, shoot em up attitude.
I'm not denying racism. I couldn't remember the driver's name from above, but when I googled "white cop kills blacks", there were just so many names, I couldn't wade through them all. And I do believe being a police officer is extremely dangerous profession. And that's what some lack, professionalism.
Also, by now,the two officers should have been able to handle a drunk. He's obviously intoxicated. He should have been arrested, cuffed, and on his way to jail, right after they determined he was drunk.
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This isn’t always the case. I am not a geneticist or even know a lot about the human anatomy, but for whatever reason, some people gain strength from drinking. Of course, if the drunk is completely sf, then it’s a different story. After all, alcohol is a depressant. I have seen men with half a load on that could probably lift the backend of a car. Others may not be able to lift a newspaper.

With this case, if the trial is held outside of Atlanta, the DA may have a tough road to hoe to prove any degree of murder. If the trial is held in Atlanta, I’m afraid the cop’s goose is cooked. I do believe the Mayor acted on emotion. She forgot that everyone is to be afforded due process, which includes an investigation and not just viewing a video. The Coroner declaring the death a homicide was also a rush to judgment. I think these people may have painted themselves into a corner.

If you carefully watch the video and use a stopwatch, you will find out that the time it took the perp to point the gun and the cop to react was just about a second. That’s not a lot of time to make a decision when your life ‘may’ be on the line. The other point is about the shot taken. When an officer is in pursuit and is shot at, his only objective is to then to stop the threat.
 
They could have called a relative to come pick him up. There was no point in arresting him. I lived in rural areas. I've known many a white person who just pulled over somewhere to sleep it off & no legal interventions were ever involved, even when spotted by local police.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Yup, I don’t follow the herd screaming how I deeply I care about people who have black skin.
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Not in a herd, sweetie. Just do care deeply about a lot of people who have black skin. OneEyedDiva happens to be one here and I respect the pain she felt in compiling the information for the post. I can't pretend to say I know how she feels, but I can say I hurt for her hurts. In real life there's Jessica, Maggie, Kenyata, Jaleel, Mac, Sylvester (x2), Yolanda (x2), Lou Ida, Cierra, Cameron, Fannie, Lola, Jamella, Lucy, Rick to name those I care the most for. If any one of these friends called me up and asked me to stand with them peacefully, I would do it in a heartbeat.
 
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AnnieA said:
Not in a herd, sweetie. Just do care deeply about a lot of people who have black skin. OneEyedDiva happens to be one here and I respect the pain she felt in compiling the information for the post. I can't pretend to say I know how she feels, but I can say I hurt for her hurts. In real life there's Jessica, Maggie, Kenyata, Jaleel, Mac, Sylvester (x2), Yolanda (x2), Lou Ida, Cierra, Cameron, Fannie, Lola, Jamella, Lucy, Rick to name those I care the most for. If any one of these friends called me up and asked me to stand with them peacefully, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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Thank you. You’re far better at expressing words for others to understand than I am. Nothing wrong with caring deeply for others when they need it most no matter what colour. It’s a loving human trait which ‘most’ can relate to.
 
I question the police actions before he bolted. They determined that suspect was impaired, probably due to alcohol detoxification. His well being became their responsibility at that moment. While his cooperation may have aided the police, the suspect should have been cuffed, and under control. Neither happened, and he bolted.
As far as racism is concerned, in the heat of the moment, if a white suspect acted in the same way, would that be a factor. Who knows?
 
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Pepper said:
I don't mean to be petty when this thread is so very serious, But:
It depends on locality. I worked in adoption and foster care for years in New York City and only a tiny percentage of our foster parents, many of whom adopted their kids, were something other than black. Just FYI. I'll bet the same is true in Chicago and most other large urban areas.
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I agree. It depends on locality.

I also remember a court case allowing white people to adopt black children because too many were raised in foster care due to the fact that not enough black people were adopting black children. This opened the door for race not to be a consideration for adoption to a certain extent.

Black people can adopt white children, white people can adopt black children, a good thing. But it was black people who wanted their children raised in foster care rather than be adopted by white families. Who are/were the racists in this situation?

I remember when bi-racial children of a black/white mix were called Oreos by the black community. Black on the outside, white on the inside. Who are/were the racists here? I could go on but why bother. Racism goes both ways, no race is innocent.
 
Pepper said:
The cops had his car. They knew who he was. They knew where to find him. Shooting him for sleeping off booze is (fill in the blank)
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Shooting him for sleeping off booze is murder. Shooting him for violently resisting arrest, stealing an officer's Taser and trying to use it on said officer is probably not murder in the legal sense. They are calling it "lawful but awful" and that sounds about right.
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Thanks for the information. I have a folder on my desktop where it will be saved: Social Injustice.

My view is that the police aren't supposed to be judge, jury, and executioners. Yet, that's how many seem to view their jobs.

Why don't we take away their bullets and replace them with tranquilizer darts?
 
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Keesha said:
Can the officers not stop a threat without killing the person? Shoot them in the legs, butt, arm etc?
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That's not realistic. It's hard to hit a moving target under any circumstances. Throw in nighttime, adrenaline, etc. and aiming at an arm or a leg is impossible.
 

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