People of Color, Innocent or Non Violent Who Were Killed By Police

Aneeda72 said:
I have a different point of view of this thread.

I think this thread is political unless you include ALL innocent deaths committed by the police. In other words, many Innocent people with WHITE skin have died at the hands of the police. Where are you including those deaths?

Or, don’t the deaths of WHITE people matter? What about the deaths of American Indians? Asians? Samoans? Italians? Include the deaths of ALL INNOCENT people killed by the police and you have, IMO, a non political thread. Otherwise, IMO, you don’t.

There is a lot of knee bending and placating going on in our country now. This is being done to calm the masses and try and avoid more riots, looting, and civil unrest. I, like many, believe the backlash will be severe.

I care when innocent people die. I don’t care what color of skin the innocent person had. However, all the knee bending and placating makes me 🤮. Using these deaths to put forth a political agenda makes me 🤮. And I am not going to pretend that I care more about an innocent black life than I do about an innocent white life. I don’t.
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The purpose of this thread was to address those who think innocent Black people do not get targeted and killed by the police. It speaks to racism and racial profiling which sometimes results in deaths. As has been the reply to many who rebuke Black Lives Matter with "All Lives Matter"....no one in the BLM movement is saying that White lives, Asian lives or any other lives don't matter. We are pointing out the constant racial profiling that happens to Black people in this country. White people are not the victims of racial profiling, certainly not by Whites or even by Blacks. Any intelligent person knows this.

I am posting about the cases I know and remember. You are welcome to post your own thread about Caucasians who have met the same fate OR you can choose to list them in this thread. I have not placed handcuffs on you....so stop complaining (yet again!) about what I've posted and do your thing. :p Wow...I can't believe I ever had empathy for your plight and was actually thinking of suggestions that may have helped you!
 

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JimBob1952 said:
I'm sorry, but as soon as you fall asleep drunk in a Wendy's drive-through line, vigorously resist arrest, steal an officer's Taser and then shoot at him with it, you have crossed a line of some sort. The cop who shot Mr. Brooks may have made a split-second error in judgment - and if so he should be punished - but it's quite possible he thought his partner's life was in danger. After all, if his partner was incapacitated, then a drunken, violent Rayshard Brooks could easily have taken his pistol as well. This situation was very different from the one involving George Floyd.

All this hand-wringing about whose lives matter is absurd. The "black community" doesn't exist. Blacks murder other black people at atrocious rates (over 90 percent of US murders are black on black). They commit the majority of violent crimes, despite being only 12 percent of the population. They have destroyed the structure of the family with 75 percent illegitimacy rates.

If black lives really mattered, black people would urge each other to emulate the family structures, work ethic, respect for law, and embrace of education displayed by Asian-Americans. Then maybe they could out-earn white people, just as Asians do.

But that's hard to do. It's a lot easier to yammer on about "systemic racism" and burn down the local Wendy's.
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I don't totally disagree with you about what happened in the Brooks case. But maybe it could have been handled differently. It's a shame, however, that you have bought into the racial stereotypes about Black people as most likely the same cops I wrote about do. Most of us are hard working, church going people with family values. I know several well established, wealthy Black people, some in my family. And I know some who are not well off but are hard working...some with two jobs. In your ignorance, I guess you don't realize that many educational opportunities for Blacks had been blocked in various ways.

Let me speak on Black illegitimacy rates. From the time I was 10 years old until I was 22, I lived across the street from an unwed mother's home. Every day the girls would come out holding hands carrying the garbage cans. Only once did I see a Black girl. I say this to say that the White girls who were "sent off to boarding school", sent to "live with relatives", "went to Europe" and all those BS stories were in fact sent away to have their babies. I'm sure many were from wealthy families. And the ones who didn't get that luxury killed their babies. I remember being horrified at the girl who flushed her baby down the toilet after giving birth at prom.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in...-gives-birth-and-murders-her-baby-at-the-prom

You bring up Black people murdering each other. I guess you turn off the news when it comes to all the White people who kill each other....this includes family members killing each other. And it happens often..so don't be so sanctimonious! Caucasians have a dark history of killing their own for money, for love, for power, etc. as well as committing genocide on other races. In fact, what about the case of the mother who's children were missing since last year. She was off getting married and partying with her new husband in Hawaii (was it) like they didn't have a care in the world. Recently the children were found dead and buried in her new husband's back yard. What kind of cold, heartless so called humans do that?!! So don't act like only Black people are "killing each other". Know your history!
 
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Sunny said:
Only one CONGRATULATION, Aneeda? Isn't that word usually plural? Come on, can't you muster up even a second CONGRATULATION? Wow, talk about stingy.

Win, I think you deserve a second one. So I'll give it to you. (Trust Aneeda to not even get an attempt at sarcasm right!)

About the latest attempt by the far-righters here to deflect away from the truth, it would be interesting to see statistics on the number of black people shot by the police, especially when they are doing nothing wrong, and compare it to the number of white people similarly treated. This whole thing has the stink of slavery days and Jim Crow laws. Anyone who can't see that has blinders on,
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Ask and you shall receive Sunny. Someone here claimed that more Whites were killed by police than Blacks. This article (the second one I've read on the subject) disputes that. This was posted by one of my (White) friends on another forum where we are a close knit group. It's about the number of people imprisoned and killed by cops in the U.S. compared to other countries. The article states that "In the United States police officers are almost four times more likely to use force on black people than white people according to data on reported incidents from 2016"
It also says that in a 2016 Journal of Health study, Black men are nearly three times more likely to be killed by police than White man.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/u...cket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
 

OneEyedDiva said:
The purpose of this thread was to address those who think innocent Black people do not get targeted and killed by the police. It speaks to racism and racial profiling. As has been the reply to many who rebuke Black Lives Matter with "All Lives Matter"....no one in the BLM movement is staying that White lives, Asian lives or any other lives don't matter. We are pointing out the constant racial profiling that happens to Black people in this country. White people are not the victims of racial profiling, certainly not by Whites or even by Blacks. Any intelligent person knows this.

I am posting about the cases I know about and remember. You are welcome to post your own thread about Caucasians who have met the same fate OR you can choose to list them in this thread. I have not placed handcuffs on you....so stop complaining (yet again!) about what I've posted and do your thing. :p Wow...I can't believe I ever had empathy for your plight and was actually thinking of suggestions that may have helped you!
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I haven’t complained. I am doing my own thing. I haven’t asked for any suggestions concerning my life or expected any empathy from anyone for “plight”. My life is what it is, and I am honest about it rather than pretend how wonderful everything is, like many.

I made stupid unformed choices when I was younger. Now that I am older my choices are more limited but I will probably continue to make stupid decisions. Still, I am sure that a white person in a black community would be subjected to racial profiling and prejudice by that community.
 
Aneeda72 said:
And the family saying he was on the way to take his daughter skating for her birthday, while he was drunk?
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I wasn't going to say this, but I will....I understand what you just said.....I thought the same thing...The man was drunk...Why was he drunk in the
first place… When he was standing up he looked like a nice guy, very nice dressed...Why wasn't he home with his family....What was he doing
at a food place in his car sleeping his shi2 so he didn't want his family to know, either he was with someone else and had a booze party...
He should/ve been home for his daughter....Just saying!!! To me he did look like a nice guy...If he was not drunk, maybe this wouldn't have
happened....He didn't have to resist...You know those cops would've let him go or drive him home...So, you know we will never know...
I am very heartfelt for his family...those kids are so young and his lady was devastated...(Who knows what went on with the family)
Why was he drunk? Why was he sleeping in the car?....I just can see this guy was a "Nice Guy"....this shouldn't have happened...By him
and the Police....(No way, now a day's) I would not want my child/man orr woman) be a police man or woman....I cried for that Family....
 
What do you want ? A question just 'put-out-there' , for thought.

Do you want neighborhoods / towns & cities as safe as possible ? Or would you rather line in anarchy ? We cannot have the first, without a strong police department that has our support. Sending a message that the criminal element will be coddled is not a strong police department. Sending a message of a heavy handed police department and tactics is.

I wonder sometimes, when I read here ..... just how many responders have a criminal background ? Or how many have criminals in their respective families ? There seems to be a strong element that are supportive of criminals. And carry a hatred of police.

Well, speaking only for myself ..... I have no use for criminals, and I support the police strongly , I really care very little what methods the police use, to fight crime/criminals ..... and bring about the best level of safety for my community & my country.

I have never committed a crime in my life [soon 71 years] as such I fear not the police.
 
peppermint said:
I wasn't going to say this, but I will....I understand what you just said.....I thought the same thing...The man was drunk...Why was he drunk in the
first place… When he was standing up he looked like a nice guy, very nice dressed...Why wasn't he home with his family....What was he doing
at a food place in his car sleeping his shi2 so he didn't want his family to know, either he was with someone else and had a booze party...
He should/ve been home for his daughter....Just saying!!! To me he did look like a nice guy...If he was not drunk, maybe this wouldn't have
happened....He didn't have to resist...You know those cops would've let him go or drive him home...So, you know we will never know...
I am very heartfelt for his family...those kids are so young and his lady was devastated...(Who knows what went on with the family)
Why was he drunk? Why was he sleeping in the car?....I just can see this guy was a "Nice Guy"....this shouldn't have happened...By him
and the Police....(No way, now a day's) I would not want my child/man orr woman) be a police man or woman....I cried for that Family....
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I am sorry for the family as well, but these men and/or woman, are presented by their families as wonderful human beings when clearly they are not. I think it is due to the wrongful death lawsuit and the amount of money to be obtained.

My husband is a well liked guy by the people he works with, they think he’s great. I do not think he’s great. You never know a person until you have lived with them.

So maybe these men are great to their families and horrible elsewhere. Idk. I do know when a member of Floyd’s family was asked about the shooting he said their case was different. Whatever that means.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Feel free to make up all the excuses you want, I see it as incompetence.
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I am not making up anything .... You tried to indicate that 911 said something he did not say .... I merely stated that I read it only as it was written.

If you see it as incompetence ? Fine that is your opinion . It does not however make it fact. And it also does not mean that the opinion of 'terrible shot' means incompetence , only what it says... terrible shot.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I don't totally disagree with you about what happened in the Brooks case. But maybe it could have been handled differently. It's a shame, however, that you have bought into the racial stereotypes about Black people as most likely the same cops I wrote about do. Most of us are hard working, church going people with family values. I know several well established, wealthy Black people, some in my family. And I know some who are not well off but are hard working...some with two jobs. In your ignorance, I guess you don't realize that many educational opportunities for Blacks had been blocked in various ways.

Let me speak on Black illegitimacy rates. From the time I was 10 years old until I was 22, I lived across the street from an unwed mother's home. Every day the girls would come out holding hands carrying the garbage cans. Only once did I see a Black girl. I say this to say that the White girls who were "sent off to boarding school", sent to "live with relatives", "went to Europe" and all those BS stories were in fact sent away to have their babies. I'm sure many were from wealthy families. And the ones who didn't get that luxury killed their babies. I remember being horrified at the girl who flushed her baby down the toilet after giving birth at prom.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in...-gives-birth-and-murders-her-baby-at-the-prom

You bring up Black people murdering each other. I guess you turn off the news when it comes to all the White people who kill each other....this includes family members killing each other. And it happens often..so don't be so sanctimonious! Caucasians have a dark history of killing their own for money, for love, for power, etc. as well as committing genocide on other races. In fact, what about the case of the mother who's children were missing since last year. She was off getting married and partying with her new husband in Hawaii (was it) like they didn't have a care in the world. Recently the children were found dead and buried in her new husband's back yard. What kind of cold, heartless so called humans do that?!! So don't act like only Black people are "killing each other". Know your history!
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White girls have as many children out of wedlock as black girls if not more. We agree. But what i said was, was that white children are adopted more whereas black children have a higher rate of not being adopted.

I still think the adoption of black children lags behind that of white children by their same race. I also believe there are more absent fathers in the black community than white. Although there are plenty in the white community.

Many people do not realize that foster children are aged out of the system at 18. Which means, they lack any kind of support in these early adult years. This contributes to these young adults, of both races/all races, engaging in criminal behavior to survive.

Therefore, it stands to reason that if you have more black children aged out of foster care, than white with no support, you have more black crime, more police interactions, and more arrests in the young adult black population.

A vicious cycle which is easily solved, by all racial groups, by adopting more children, providing support after the age of 18, or by the use of birth control. I think birth control would be the best option for everyone. But as you have said I’m not very intelligent, so I could be wrong.
 
This thought came to me out of left field as I was catching up on my reading - every time the police approach a man (don't know about what happens to women) they are ordered to lie on the ground and are handcuffed. I watched this happen to Jay Pharoah who was a victim of mistaken identity. He also experienced the knee on the neck after being cuffed. Hardly necessary given his lack of resistance.

Why don't the police, especially when there are four of them present, simply ask for identification and keep the level of tension and anxiety low? All the shouting and barking orders are designed to intimidate and frightened people make bad decisions. Some panic. Me, I would wet myself.

It seems to me that the police are perpetually afraid of the people that they are being asked to deal with. They seem to be waging a war of pre-emptive strikes. I find that very sad today...
 
911 said:
This isn’t always the case. I am not a geneticist or even know a lot about the human anatomy, but for whatever reason, some people gain strength from drinking. Of course, if the drunk is completely sf, then it’s a different story. After all, alcohol is a depressant. I have seen men with half a load on that could probably lift the backend of a car. Others may not be able to lift a newspaper.

With this case, if the trial is held outside of Atlanta, the DA may have a tough road to hoe to prove any degree of murder. If the trial is held in Atlanta, I’m afraid the cop’s goose is cooked. I do believe the Mayor acted on emotion. She forgot that everyone is to be afforded due process, which includes an investigation and not just viewing a video. The Coroner declaring the death a homicide was also a rush to judgment. I think these people may have painted themselves into a corner.

If you carefully watch the video and use a stopwatch, you will find out that the time it took the perp to point the gun and the cop to react was just about a second. That’s not a lot of time to make a decision when your life ‘may’ be on the line. The other point is about the shot taken. When an officer is in pursuit and is shot at, his only objective is to then to stop the threat.
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The "perp" didn't have a gun. It was a taser.
 
peppermint said:
I wasn't going to say this, but I will....I understand what you just said.....I thought the same thing...The man was drunk...Why was he drunk in the
first place… When he was standing up he looked like a nice guy, very nice dressed...Why wasn't he home with his family....What was he doing
at a food place in his car sleeping his shi2 so he didn't want his family to know, either he was with someone else and had a booze party...
He should/ve been home for his daughter....Just saying!!! To me he did look like a nice guy...If he was not drunk, maybe this wouldn't have
happened....He didn't have to resist...You know those cops would've let him go or drive him home...So, you know we will never know...
I am very heartfelt for his family...those kids are so young and his lady was devastated...(Who knows what went on with the family)
Why was he drunk? Why was he sleeping in the car?....I just can see this guy was a "Nice Guy"....this shouldn't have happened...By him
and the Police....(No way, now a day's) I would not want my child/man orr woman) be a police man or woman....I cried for that Family....
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I'll say this once again -- I say it a lot -- whether or not a person is a nice guy or a serial axe murderer is completely irrelevant. Why he was drinking or whether he should have been home with his family and all that other stuff are completely irrelevant.

The only relevant facts are what he was doing (sleeping off a drunk in the Wendy's drive thru), what he did (cooperated at first, then resisted when they tried to handcuff him, grabbed one of the officers' taser and attempted to escape, pointed the taser at the cops from a distance), what the officers did (shot him in the back twice as he ran away, a third shot went astray and struck another car; media reported today that another video shows that the officer who fired also kicked him while he lay dying).

The only things that matter are the things that happened in that snippet of time between when the cops approached the car and when he died. The character of the dead man is absolutely irrelevant.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I have a different point of view of this thread.

I think this thread is political unless you include ALL innocent deaths committed by the police. In other words, many Innocent people with WHITE skin have died at the hands of the police. Where are you including those deaths?

Or, don’t the deaths of WHITE people matter? What about the deaths of American Indians? Asians? Samoans? Italians? Include the deaths of ALL INNOCENT people killed by the police and you have, IMO, a non political thread. Otherwise, IMO, you don’t.

There is a lot of knee bending and placating going on in our country now. This is being done to calm the masses and try and avoid more riots, looting, and civil unrest. I, like many, believe the backlash will be severe.

I care when innocent people die. I don’t care what color of skin the innocent person had. However, all the knee bending and placating makes me 🤮. Using these deaths to put forth a political agenda makes me 🤮. And I am not going to pretend that I care more about an innocent black life than I do about an innocent white life. I don’t.
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Aneeda, you can't dismiss every opinion that disagrees with yours by calling it "political." This is very far from a political discussion!

About the deaths of white people killed by police vs. the number of black people, this is a typical example of the misuse of statistics.

Let's say there is a small town with a population of 105. Of those people, 100 are white, 5 are black. The police shoot and kill 11 innocent people. Of those who were shot, 6 were white; 5 were black. Would you say that proves that more innocent white people are killed by police? Would you rather be an innocent white person living in that town, or an innocent black person?

The important thing is not the absolute numbers; it is the numbers relative to the population figures.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I haven’t complained. I am doing my own thing. I haven’t asked for any suggestions concerning my life or expected any empathy from anyone for “plight”. My life is what it is, and I am honest about it rather than pretend how wonderful everything is, like many.

I made stupid unformed choices when I was younger. Now that I am older my choices are more limited but I will probably continue to make stupid decisions. Still, I am sure that a white person in a black community would be subjected to racial profiling and prejudice by that community.
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Perhaps you're right about that Aneeda (bold print). It's a shame for anyone to be profiled due to their race. BTW...my post is social not political. There was no political party nor any politicians names mentioned. I didn't even bring up a law that was passed due to one of the cases (Breonna's Law). I didn't say you asked for anything nor expected but in at least one of your posts it seemed like you had a difficult issue that was causing you deep concern.
 
rgp said:
What do you want ? A question just 'put-out-there' , for thought.

Do you want neighborhoods / towns & cities as safe as possible ? Or would you rather line in anarchy ? We cannot have the first, without a strong police department that has our support. Sending a message that the criminal element will be coddled is not a strong police department. Sending a message of a heavy handed police department and tactics is.

I wonder sometimes, when I read here ..... just how many responders have a criminal background ? Or how many have criminals in their respective families ? There seems to be a strong element that are supportive of criminals. And carry a hatred of police.

Well, speaking only for myself ..... I have no use for criminals, and I support the police strongly , I really care very little what methods the police use, to fight crime/criminals ..... and bring about the best level of safety for my community & my country.

I have never committed a crime in my life [soon 71 years] as such I fear not the police.
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Have never been in trouble with the police but you keep shining your halo there. Btw.... I have no problems with police officers who do their job. Just the ones who take the law into their own hands and murder people.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Perhaps you're right about that Aneeda (bold print). It's a shame for anyone to be profiled due to their race. BTW...my post is social not political. There was no political party nor any politicians names mentioned. I didn't even bring up a law that was passed due to one of the cases (Breonna's Law). I didn't say you asked for anything nor expected but in at least one of your posts it seemed like you had a difficult issue that was causing you deep concern.
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Yes, but my issues are not part of this thread.
 
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