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No visible license plate, heavily tinted windows equals a legal traffic stop. So why would a police officer have a gun ready for a routine traffic stop? Google this for an answer.

police officers shot during routine traffic stops
 

Knight said:
No visible license plate, heavily tinted windows equals a legal traffic stop. So why would a police officer have a gun ready for a routine traffic stop?
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The fact the driver did not stop when lit up, although he did not flee to cause a chase, he still did not stop until he reached a lit area. It is probably the officers were trained to draw weapons in such cases since that may indicate a possible dangerous suspect.
 
ohioboy said:
The fact the driver did not stop when lit up, although he did not flee to cause a chase, he still did not stop until he reached a lit area. It is probably the officers were trained to draw weapons in such cases since that may indicate a possible dangerous suspect.
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Why edit out the last part about googling

police officers shot during routine traffic stops

The reason for googling. There are too many entries about police being shot during a routine traffic stop to post to select only a few to demonstrate that erring on the side of caution beats not going home alive.

Finding a lit area tells me that the police stopping a van with heavily tinted windows couldn't have known the race of the driver so stopping for race isn't the issue. The non compliance to exit the van is the root cause of what took place later.
 

For those like you that introduced scenarios that have nothing to do with a legal traffic stop. I posted this for the benefit of others
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"The reason for googling. There are too many entries about police being shot during a routine traffic stop to post to select only a few to demonstrate that erring on the side of caution beats not going home alive."

Training along with self preservation while a no brainer just doesn't sink in unless some factual information can be supplied.
 
Knight said:
Maybe were reading different accounts of what happened.

I read that the driver pulled over in a well lit area. Nothing about fleeing.
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If i recall correctly ......... he pulled over in a well lit area long after he was first "lit-up" by the first officer. That could be seen as "fleeing" .
 
rgp said:
If i recall correctly ......... he pulled over in a well lit area long after he was first "lit-up" by the first officer. That could be seen as "fleeing" .
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I could agree if there was a place that was immediately accessible & not dark. Slowing down & signaling the intent to pull over seems reasonable to me.

Quote from beginning of the article.
That stretch of road, just west of Norfolk, Va., was dark, and there didn't seem to be anywhere to stop safely.

So Nazario, who is Black and Latino, slowed down, put a blinker on and — about a mile down the road — pulled over at a well-lit BP gas station,

The part about being black IMO is to sensationalize the article. Since it was dark & the windows were heavily tinted race would not be known.

If there is any good it would be that pepper spray not bullets was used.
 
Knight said:
I could agree if there was a place that was immediately accessible & not dark. Slowing down & signaling the intent to pull over seems reasonable to me.

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That stretch of road, just west of Norfolk, Va., was dark, and there didn't seem to be anywhere to stop safely.

So Nazario, who is Black and Latino, slowed down, put a blinker on and — about a mile down the road — pulled over at a well-lit BP gas station,

The part about being black IMO is to sensationalize the article. Since it was dark & the windows were heavily tinted race would not be known.

If there is any good it would be that pepper spray not bullets was used.
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" Slowing down & signaling the intent to pull over seems reasonable to me."

Doesn't matter what seems reasonable to you. What matters is only what is precived by the officer.

"Since it was dark & the windows were heavily tinted race would not be known."

That is the second law he broke, windows are not supposed to be heavily tinted.
 
rgp said:
" Slowing down & signaling the intent to pull over seems reasonable to me."

Doesn't matter what seems reasonable to you. What matters is only what is precived by the officer.

"Since it was dark & the windows were heavily tinted race would not be known."

That is the second law he broke, windows are not supposed to be heavily tinted.
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Nothing in the article suggested the police suspected he was fleeing. How do you know what the police perceived? Don't put in what isn't known.

Military people move around. The article doesn't explain when or where the tinting was done. What is legal in one state may not be in another. For example in NV. chauffer tint is legal other states it isn't. It would be nice if the article explained how long the driver was driving around with no problems. Or if the driver knew the tint was illegal.

All we know is what is in the article. He drove to a well lit area, the driver didn't exit the vehicle when requested to do so. And the police officer over reacted to the extent of being fired for his actions.

Ignorance of a law isn't an excuse but some common sense on the part of the police given what little we know would have gone a long way in preventing this from escalating to where it did.
 
"Nothing in the article suggested the police suspected he was fleeing. How do you know what the police perceived? Don't put in what isn't known."

I never said he was fleeing, or that he was suspected to be. But if a driver doesn't stop , within a mile, after being 'lit-up' ..... it could 'be percieved' by the officer that something is amiss.

"Don't put in what isn't known."

I'll put in opinion, just as you.

" being fired for his actions."

IMO, he was only fired, because that is currently the way of the nation ....... The brass covering their asses.

So exactly what laws, do you want police officers to ignore ?
 
rgp said:
"Nothing in the article suggested the police suspected he was fleeing. How do you know what the police perceived? Don't put in what isn't known."

I never said he was fleeing, or that he was suspected to be. But if a driver doesn't stop , within a mile, after being 'lit-up' ..... it could 'be percieved' by the officer that something is amiss.

"Don't put in what isn't known."

I'll put in opinion, just as you.

" being fired for his actions."

IMO, he was only fired, because that is currently the way of the nation ....... The brass covering their asses.

So exactly what laws, do you want police officers to ignore ?
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I didn't mention anything about ignoring laws. I did post
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"Ignorance of a law isn't an excuse but some common sense on the part of the police given what little we know would have gone a long way in preventing this from escalating to where it did."

I expect police to be professional & to use their training combined with common sense. What do you expect from police? Do you think what took place is the way police should act ?

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"IMO, he was only fired, because that is currently the way of the nation ....... The brass covering their asses."

Are you saying you expect police officials to condone what IMO clearly was bad behavior by the officer resulting in national coverage of this traffic stop.

It's reports like this one that is beginning to change the way of the past. As I posted IF there is any good pepper spray instead of bullets was used. Weed out the bad and these articles will be a thing of the past.
 
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Knight said:
I didn't mention anything about ignoring laws. I did post
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"Ignorance of a law isn't an excuse but some common sense on the part of the police given what little we know would have gone a long way in preventing this from escalating to where it did."

I expect police to be professional & to use their training combined with common sense. What do you expect from police? Do you think what took place is the way police should act ?

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"IMO, he was only fired, because that is currently the way of the nation ....... The brass covering their asses."

Are you saying you expect police officials to condone what IMO clearly was bad behavior by the officer resulting in national coverage of this traffic stop.

It's reports like this one that is beginning to change the way of the past. As I posted IF there is any good pepper spray instead of bullets was used. Weed out the bad and these articles will be a thing of the past.
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"I didn't mention anything about ignoring laws. "

Never said you did ....... I merely ask you a question.

"Do you think what took place is the way police should act ?"

Yes i do. Take into custody/Make the arrest and protect themselves.

"Are you saying you expect police officials to condone what IMO clearly was bad behavior by the officer resulting in national coverage of this traffic stop."

I said, what I said.
 
rgp said:
" Slowing down & signaling the intent to pull over seems reasonable to me."

Doesn't matter what seems reasonable to you. What matters is only what is precived by the officer.

"Since it was dark & the windows were heavily tinted race would not be known."

That is the second law he broke, windows are not supposed to be heavily tinted.
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Actually, what is perceived by the officer is not all that matters -- there is a little thing called the law that matters, too. That law protects the civil rights of that driver as much as it protects the officers. Chauvin, et al. "perceived" that George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death over a "perceived" counterfeit bill. They were very wrong

Rules about tinted windows vary from locale to locale. Overly tinted windows don't earn the driver a blast of gas to the face. The windows didn't prevent the driver from knowing he was a black man about to be pulled over in a very dark area.
 
Butterfly said:
Actually, what is perceived by the officer is not all that matters -- there is a little thing called the law that matters, too. That law protects the civil rights of that driver as much as it protects the officers. Chauvin, et al. "perceived" that George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death over a "perceived" counterfeit bill. They were very wrong

Rules about tinted windows vary from locale to locale. Overly tinted windows don't earn the driver a blast of gas to the face. The windows didn't prevent the driver from knowing he was a black man about to be pulled over in a very dark area.
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"Chauvin, et al. "perceived" that George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death over a "perceived" counterfeit bill. They were very wrong"

What did you say about adding what is not there ?

"Actually, what is perceived by the officer is not all that matters -- "

At the time of the stop......it is/was indeed all that matters. That is what keeps the officer going home @ the end of his shift each day/night.

"Overly tinted windows don't earn the driver a blast of gas to the face. "

The tinted windows didn't earn the pepper spray ........ the refusal to follow the commands of the officer are what earned it.
 
Butterfly said:
Actually, what is perceived by the officer is not all that matters -- there is a little thing called the law that matters, too. That law protects the civil rights of that driver as much as it protects the officers. Chauvin, et al. "perceived" that George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death over a "perceived" counterfeit bill. They were very wrong

Rules about tinted windows vary from locale to locale. Overly tinted windows don't earn the driver a blast of gas to the face. The windows didn't prevent the driver from knowing he was a black man about to be pulled over in a very dark area.
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Refusing an order 48 times does warrant a blast in the face with pepper spray. People like you should go on a police patrol on a Saturday night for a closer look at the shit going on in our cities. Also. make sure you wear a bullet proof vest.
 
fmdog44 said:
Refusing an order 48 times does warrant a blast in the face with pepper spray. People like you should go on a police patrol on a Saturday night for a closer look at the shit going on in our cities. Also. make sure you wear a bullet proof vest.
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Those officers were fired for what they did, which would tend to indicate that what they did was unacceptable to their superiors.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
...having dark tinted windows so they considered it a "high risk traffic stop".
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Sorry, this part is just so ironic, I know first hand that the very first thing a rookie cop does, is goes out and has his/hers car windows tinted as dark as is can possibly be done. Young cops are "high" on being above the law. Gradually, reality sinks in.
 

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