hollydolly
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yes but if the public had been paying their salaries, as we do the Royals you would have been entitled to know
Prince Andrew to give up all honours and titles
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Maybe it is time to fully open our eyes and not only see the pomp and splendor of royalty but see them as people with faults, same as everyone else. The only difference is that they have the means and funds to keep a notorious event quiet. It’s always amazed me how people project themselves into believing they “know” royalty – they are always so nice, well behaved. This is what they are trained to do. And when unsavory news gets out, lots of people are shocked and feel let down. Sigh
Tish
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I can't wait for the updated book. I have read his version of the book.
Tish
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I thought he would keep it due to his 100-year lease. What I am not sure about is, when he dies, do the girls take over that lease
It will be interesting to see if William will be able to remove him when he becomes King.
hollydolly
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..and of course not just his involvement... but Fergie his ex wife was shown to be very involved with Epstein as well.. financially..
VaughanJB
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I think the bigger problem is what will happen when everyone associated with Epstein is revealed.
Andrew is clearly............ a flawed human being. His title of Prince is at the discretion of the King and only has meaning in the wider world in the context of what others allow him. Meaning, countries and governments can effectively alienate him without the King doing anything. Of course, they're brothers.
Beyond posturing for the public, what would it take for you to disown your sibling?
Epstein's power, such as it was, was wealth. He mingled with the very wealthy. The very wealthy are, by default, influential. So we have the rich and the influential. AKA: The elite. Are we surprised that the people with a power to change something (wealth) change things and control the direction we all go?
From what I know, the Prince is reprehensible. But his privilege can't be removed. There are also other privileged people who are going under the radar.
Andrew is clearly............ a flawed human being. His title of Prince is at the discretion of the King and only has meaning in the wider world in the context of what others allow him. Meaning, countries and governments can effectively alienate him without the King doing anything. Of course, they're brothers.
Beyond posturing for the public, what would it take for you to disown your sibling?
Epstein's power, such as it was, was wealth. He mingled with the very wealthy. The very wealthy are, by default, influential. So we have the rich and the influential. AKA: The elite. Are we surprised that the people with a power to change something (wealth) change things and control the direction we all go?
From what I know, the Prince is reprehensible. But his privilege can't be removed. There are also other privileged people who are going under the radar.
hollydolly
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I think since the death of Queen Elizabeth 2...the public at large would probably think that the Royal family as it was know as a working insitution died with her.... and generally I suspect that a great deal would not be concerned if we have no royal family after this King's reign is over ... ..
However when the possibility of doing away with the pomp and circumstance and the public expense of their salaries/trips, houses, palaces, castes, and basically everything else .. .. is raised then that old adage about it bringing in more revenue as a tourist attraction than it costs to keep them...is trotted out with monotonous regularity
VaughanJB
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It will vary from person to person.
For me - the royal family is part of our legacy. It's our heritage. It is part of being British. Many people around the globe only know the Royal family, and they represent our country.
Undermining the royal family is undermining the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom without the Royals is a misnomer.
The royals cost the UK public £510m a year. They bring in, including tourism etc, £1.76bn.
But more, they are part of our tradition. As such, they're vital.
VaughanJB
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It's a fact. Monotonous it may be - but it's true. Why deny the data?
Trish
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- Absolutely! I was just going to post similar but, you said it better. 
Lewkat
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There was Don Nixon, LBJ's brother, the Bush Brothers, and heaven knows how many others. We just kept our dirty laundry in the hamper where it belonged. There will be others for sure.
Nathan
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A little Google searching helped refresh my memory. I actually "liked" Fergie at the time the tabloids were blasting her, maybe it was her wild child image..
Glad to hear that, especially since I've recently become aware of a part of my ancestry that is of Welsh origin.
VaughanJB
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A little Google searching helped refresh my memory. I actually "liked" Fergie at the time the tabloids were blasting her, maybe it was her wild child image..
Glad to hear that, especially since I've recently become aware of a part of my ancestry that is of Welsh origin.
The United Kingdom is just that, just as the Untied States is just that.
The problem with Fergie, and for that matter Andrew and many "lesser" royals, is that they are, fundamentally, normal people with a title thrust upon them. Fergie, for example, is so very ordinary.
Still, personally speaking, anti-royals in the UK (I'm talking English, and other UK residents) are silly celebrity chasers. The Royal family are so much more. Shame on them for flushing out heritage down the toilet. Being British means a lot more than a birthright. We should accept we are who we are because of what we were.
How are you British, without an acceptance of how we got here? Give it up, and we're just another someone.