Prince Andrew to give up all honours and titles

Wombat said:
At least thy haven't been involved with anything as shady as sex trafficking and one of them actually earned a living.
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which one earned a living ?..if you're talking about Me-again.. then she stopped earning a living the minute she had Harry wrapped around her finger..... but if you mean Harry.. then he was in the army for 10 years

and don't forget Andrew.. altho' I'm not stickiing up for him in any way..also earned a living , he was in the Forces... he was a helicopter pilot and a Captain in the Royal Navy... but since he did his duty he hasn't worked a proper job.. neither has his x wife, nor his daughters.. altho' they've been given honourary titles or job descriptions so the public thinks they work for a living
 

Lavinia said:
True. It's the monarchy itself which is important. The individual members of the Royal family are human after all and Princess Anne and Prince William do seem to resent the obligations they have. Prince Harry really should have given up all his titles when he chose to give up the royal life.
On the question of Prince Andrew, he had a reputation as a playboy and was part of the 'jet set'. Those girls were recruited to entertain him and the rest of his ilk. I'm sure they were thrilled to be part of the entertainment and no doubt were paid handsomely for their services. I don't condone the actions of the men but I have no sympathy whatever for the girls.
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You are, of course, entitled to that opinion and I am sure that there are many who will agree with it.

Personally, I have every sympathy for the girls who were victims of the rich and powerful. It may be that some of the girls were impressed by the wealth and power of their abusers, that is the nature of grooming - victims are usually targeted because they are vulnerable and impressionable.

There was a model agency which recruited girls, socialites, assistants, girlfriends and employees who all assisted. It was a network of enablers and abusers. This was not a rich man and his friends hiring women to entertain them, it was human trafficking - the girls were trafficked to his Island and abused.

It doesn't matter how much an abuser pays his victim, it makes no difference if the girls were impressed by the wealth and privilege they came into contact with. The victims were not on trial, the abusers were. It is unfortunate, I think, that so many of those visitors to Epstein's Island appear to have gone unpunished.
 
Nathan said:
Omg I can't wrap my head around all the Royals and associated dealings. Maybe I need another cuppa.

"Duke and Duchess of delusion and deception"...who are they and why are they referred to like that? I thought the British loved their Royal Family.

"Randy Andy"...must be Prince Andrew, the subject of this thread.

Is Prince Harry OK?

How about Prince William(Prince of Wales), is he liked and respected?
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Sorry for the late reply, Nathan, I must have missed your post.
Prince Harry and his wife
 
Tish said:
Oh well, folks, let's brace for the next wave of shame to hit us.
Virginia Giuffre's book, Nobody's Girl, is published today.

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actually it's been out here for a couple of days... she names Andrew over 80 times in the book... and also doesn't name a ''prime minister'' who would choke her during thew ''act'' where she was terrified of him... when she told Epstein. he just shrugged and said ''it happens''.. she knew then she was not going to be protected while under Epsteins' employ...

she also

claims she was raped by her own father who farmed her out to be molested by his friend when she was about nine.

In her posthumous memoir, she describes a childhood so blighted by horrific abuse that she became the ‘perfect victim’ for Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

‘I know about monsters,’ she wrote. ‘As a child, I experienced nearly every kind of abuse: Incest, parental neglect, severe corporal punishment, molestation, rape. As a teen, I had been sexually trafficked by another paedophile even before I met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.’

Her father, Sky Roberts, has strenuously denied ever touching Ms Giuffre sexually, and stressed: ‘I never abused my daughter.’ Given that Ms Giuffre is dead, she cannot be asked to provide any evidence to support her allegations.

Ms Giuffre grew up in Florida with her parents and two brothers

Virginia Giuffre claims her father raped her - he denies it
 
Tish said:
Oh well, folks, let's brace for the next wave of shame to hit us.
Virginia Giuffre's book, Nobody's Girl, is published today.

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Oh what a wonderful smack in the gob for randy Andy, where can he now hide from all this shame, maybe he'll get a campervan and get lost as a traveller.
 
A prime minister...

Can't say that I follow the Epstein, Prince Andrew, or Virginia Giuffre stories much. I just come across bits and pieces now and then.

Today there was an item on a TV-news source I check in with, about the Guiffre-memoir book. The main part of the item was a brief interview with Guiffre's co-author. The interview was prefaced with a few short memoir segments being read to viewers. One bit of that mentioned Guiffre being assigned for sexual companionship to a "prime minister", and I doubt that this person's identity is actually made known in the book. If anyone here has read the book, is the identity strongly suggested?

Our nation, Canada, is led by a prime minister, and as a Canadian I'd be embarrassed and disgusted if it were proven that one of our prime ministers was involved in this sort of imbroglio — but I'd want the truth to be established.

I'm interested, if your nation is also headed by a prime minister, in what your attitude may be.
 
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hollydolly said:
actually it's been out here for a couple of days... she names Andrew over 80 times in the book... and also doesn't name a ''prime minister'' who would choke her during thew ''act'' where she was terrified of him... when she told Epstein. he just shrugged and said ''it happens''.. she knew then she was not going to be protected while under Epsteins' employ...

she also

claims she was raped by her own father who farmed her out to be molested by his friend when she was about nine.

In her posthumous memoir, she describes a childhood so blighted by horrific abuse that she became the ‘perfect victim’ for Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

‘I know about monsters,’ she wrote. ‘As a child, I experienced nearly every kind of abuse: Incest, parental neglect, severe corporal punishment, molestation, rape. As a teen, I had been sexually trafficked by another paedophile even before I met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.’

Her father, Sky Roberts, has strenuously denied ever touching Ms Giuffre sexually, and stressed: ‘I never abused my daughter.’ Given that Ms Giuffre is dead, she cannot be asked to provide any evidence to support her allegations.

Ms Giuffre grew up in Florida with her parents and two brothers

Virginia Giuffre claims her father raped her - he denies it
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80 Times is a huge amount.
I am willing to bet the Prime Minister is the Israeli one.
 
JBR said:
One bit of that mentioned Guiffre being assigned for sexual companionship to a "prime minister", and I doubt that this person's identity is actually made known in the book. If anyone here has read the book, is the identity strongly suggested?
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Interested to hear the answer to this myself... but there are at least 100 countries with prime ministers, so I wouldn't venture even a tiny guess. :unsure:🤷‍♀️
 
CallMeKate said:
Interested to hear the answer to this myself... but there are at least 100 countries with prime ministers, so I wouldn't venture even a tiny guess. :unsure:🤷‍♀️
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But only a handful prime ministers can get to Epstein. Do you think Epstein is stupid enough to entertain any prime ministers from those trivial countries?
 
CallMeKate said:
Oh! AI just told me what you're referring to here, @Tish . I'll bet you're right... but that would be their *former* PM, not current like I though you meant at first. 🤭
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His name is Ehud Barak, and he is a former PM, according to Giuffre. She was beaten, strangled by him and was covered in her own blood and bruises.

Absolutely shocking.
 
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