Quebec's euthansia bill passed last Thursday

We are all different people, which is why we are all unique, and we are all entitled to our opinions and have our own feelings. On this issue, all I personally can say is: I've watched two members of my family while they were in the process of passing away, my grandmother (when I was 13), and my dad, (in 2010), both from cancer, both in pain that morphine would not relieve, and both crying out that they wanted to be peaceful and just be able to die. Once it is to that point, there is no dignity in going through that. I prayed and asked God to take them both to relieve them from their pain and take them to the peace they so desperately wanted and needed.

I don't believe in keeping a pet alive when they are to that point, because I feel it is a very selfish thing to do, and if I were at that point, I would not want anyone to want to see me go through that just because they didn't want to let me go; I would hope they would love me enough not to want me to suffer; I would appreciate in my last breath that someone was compassionate enough to put me out of my misery, because I know I will be going to a better place of peace.
 

Thanks, Mellow, for the story, this hits home with me. An incident happened yesterday with my 93 year old mom that has left me knowing that she is having to face the fact of giving up her independence. She has always fought hard to take care of herself, and I have tried to back off and let her do what she could but she is beginning to make some bad moves and I just dread what is coming....
 
Jackie22 said:
Thanks, Mellow, for the story, this hits home with me. An incident happened yesterday with my 93 year old mom that has left me knowing that she is having to face the fact of giving up her independence. She has always fought hard to take care of herself, and I have tried to back off and let her do what she could but she is beginning to make some bad moves and I just dread what is coming....
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What sort of bad moves Jackie?
 

mellow said:
What sort of bad moves Jackie?
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Problems due to memory loss and extreme paranoia....if I confront her with her mistakes
she gets very defensive and verbally abusive to me.....I just get quiet and try not to talk back as I know she is scared and worried....I know this is common when dealing with elderly parents, just does not make it easier...as in all hard situations I'll have to suck it up and deal with it....lol
 
My advice is to seek advice.

We can call on an Aged Care Assessment Team to assess the level of dementia or other health problems that might mean that it is no longer safe to allow a senior to live independently. They check mental processes, the contents of the fridge and the level of support from family and community. If they give their approval, acceptance into a care facility is usually fairly swift.

Another source of advice is the local primary health care service, eg a general practitioner. At some stage respect for the independence of an elderly person can tip over into benign neglect. It's never easy but often it is nowhere near as hard as anticipated. Some elderly actually like being cared for and having people to talk to, especially if they are a bit extroverted.
 
Jackie22 said:
Thanks, Mellow, for the story, this hits home with me. An incident happened yesterday with my 93 year old mom that has left me knowing that she is having to face the fact of giving up her independence. She has always fought hard to take care of herself, and I have tried to back off and let her do what she could but she is beginning to make some bad moves and I just dread what is coming....
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Tough love. It's always hard. By the 90's it probably is time to think about safety over independence. I have an aunt and her husband .. 92 & 93 now, who fought their "kids" to stay in their home. But last year, a few times too many my aunt would leave the stove on after making their dinner and it got the family thinking. .. better safe in an assisted living home, then burning down their house.
They fought the move for a little while, but soon adjusted to the new living arrangements. And it's been about a year now.
 
I have watched someone struggle through agonizing pain despite being on a morphine drip.....for weeks. She had zero chance of survival. I support this measure as long as it is requested.
 
This is in regard to the loved ones who just 'stepped out for a minute' or were not able to be there when their loved one died.
During my training as a CNA, we had a wonderful hospital Chaplin talk to us about this. He said, in all his years of experience what he observed a lot of was that the loved one took the 'opportunity' to transpire when their family/friends left the room. It was his belief that the family/friends could 'hold the person back' from dying because these were the 'thought transmissions' the dying ones received.
I myself believe this is true. He said, of course, there were cases in which the family was able to 'let go' and would lovingly allow the person to 'go on'...because after all, it would be to their GAIN and peace. My own mother died in the two minutes it took (in the hospital) for me to make a call to my Aunt to ask her to come to the hospital.
Maybe when we finally see death as not being the enemy and that there is no 'real' separation...(again, my own spiritual belief) we will all feel more at peace about the natural process of life.
I was blessed to have been present during some of my hospice pts deaths and could tell you phenomenal things that they 'saw' and 'heard'... close or at the times of their transitioning.
 
Ina said:
Bettyann, I can't say for the others, but I would like to hear of those things. Could you start a new thread on it, so that those that don't want to know can just skip over it. :thankyou:
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Okey dokey...will start it tomorrow!~!
 
I think that there are two separate issues we are talking about here. One is whether it is okay to have a law allowing people to choose to die right away when there is no hope for them to ever recover again, and thee future holds only pain and suffering.
The second thing we have been talking about is whether death always involves suffering, or if it can just end peacefully.
The truth is that it can be either way. As has been shared, some people have had loved ones that just drifted off and were gone. Some have lost loved ones through suffering.
When my mother was dying, I was devastated. I cried every day because i could not bear to see her hurting, and yet I could not bear to lose her either. Finally, I just gave it to God and asked that if she was not going to get better, that he would take her home. My mom died peacefully in her sleep, and before she died, she was telling me that she was helping angels take care of a little Mexican family that were being sheltered in the basement. Since I knew the hospital didn't have any misplaced family in the basement, I believed that my mom was making the transition from this world to the next one. She happily went to help the angels....
 
I woke up last night thinking about my boys, and the painful way they died. ER in 1993 at 27, and Young Michael at 45 last February.
I have always believed that we humans come into this world to learn a set lessons. I think we stay until we learn the lesson, or maybe we have to stay until we teach what we were meant to teach.
Then it dawned on me that my son's are gone because they received they're lessons. They were both good men, so I can only believe that they are happy wherever their they're journey has taken them. I know that it could all be wishful thinking on my part, but it brings me peace.
Now I'm wondering what lessons are still out there for me, or what is it that I need to teach or pass on to someone else?
My heart is not as heavy as it was yesterday. :pray:
 
I agree with assisted euthanasia, better in those cases of terminal illness instead of suicide with gun or other means.
 
Ina said:
I woke up last night thinking about my boys, and the painful way they died. ER in 1993 at 27, and Young Michael at 45 last February.
I have always believed that we humans come into this world to learn a set lessons. I think we stay until we learn the lesson, or maybe we have to stay until we teach what we were meant to teach.
Then it dawned on me that my son's are gone because they received they're lessons. They were both good men, so I can only believe that they are happy wherever their they're journey has taken them. I know that it could all be wishful thinking on my part, but it brings me peace.
Now I'm wondering what lessons are still out there for me, or what is it that I need to teach or pass on to someone else?
My heart is not as heavy as it was yesterday. :pray:
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Ina, I can't imagine losing 2. I lost 1 and that was enough. You, have a great attitude. Like you, some days the heart is heavier than others..
 
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I think there are also a lot of religious beliefs that may conflict with euthanasia. I'm not religious so that doesn't enter into my thoughts on it. I know there is a law against suicide, some countries have it I guess, I know we do. So euthanasia is legalized suicide. Thing is, seems no problem (since no one is stopping it) about killing unwanted babies every day. I don't suppose enough people think that's wrong so it goes on.

I can't tell you I wouldn't hope for a suffering person to pass away, and be free of a disease, riddled body (they actually will only give so much morphine?? gads, they should get all they need?) but I'm also thinking of the many kinds of pain people have, not just physical. Bottom line, I guess where I stand is if it's only "your own" body you are dealing with, yes, on euthanasia, if you want to go you should be able to, your body. I would still say no to babies being aborted (killed) though. I know, another topic.
 

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