Racism 2.0

dseag2

dseag2

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This seems to be a topic that is as controversial as politics, since one of my threads was shut down due to controversial remarks. I just want to bring this to light once again.

My partner of 30 years is Filipino. He is a handsome guy but because he is Brown he has had to endure racism all of his life. We were discussing it today and he told me that he has always been careful to walk at a distance behind White women for fear they will be afraid that he has bad intentions. I had never heard this before and I was appalled. Even after 30 years, I am still learning about racism.

I said in my post that was closed that I would be glad to give up some of my White Privilege to bring balance into our society and I will say it again. There will be some who disagree with me but that is their prerogative.

Here you go...

 

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I think racism is part of human nature and if you choose to live in a mixed society, it is something you have to accept and learn to live with. (I should add that I have spent many years living in other countries and have experienced racial prejudice myself. In Africa the white people are foreigners, and there is a lot of hostility towards us, so the whole racism thing affects all colours. This is something which tends to get over-looked.)
 

My best friend of 45 years is Italian and she has told me a couple of times about the racism her family faced. She had told me years ago that they didn't want her father on the police force because he was Italian. He wound up becoming their town's highly respected Chief of Police. Last week we had another discussion about racism and she told me how her uncle wanted to buy a home right here in N.J. decades ago and he couldn't because they didn't want Italians there. Before she told me these things, I didn't realize they experienced it too. Then I read an article that Nixon called an Italian the N word in a closed meeting! So yes, @Lavinia was correct when she said racism can exist against other than Black people. Of course, Black people can have racist attitudes against Whites..but mostly that stems from their history of treating our people so horribly. BTW My BFF hates all kinds of racial injustice but seems to get more upset when it affects Black people.

I feel bad that your S.O. had to experience that! Unless somebody does (or somebody close to them does), they will never understand how it feels and it's effects on the psyche. I just want to add here that I'll never watch a Mark Wahlberg movie because of his history of brutal racist attacks against Asians and Blacks. He was a teenager at the time but these crimes are pretty serious. He professed support for the BLM movement but I don't know if a tiger can change it's stripes that much.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...story-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html
@Pecos
 
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dseag2 said:
This seems to be a topic that is as controversial as politics, since one of my threads was shut down due to controversial remarks. I just want to bring this to light once again.

My partner of 30 years is Filipino. He is a handsome guy but because he is Brown he has had to endure racism all of his life. We were discussing it today and he told me that he has always been careful to walk at a distance behind White women for fear they will be afraid that he has bad intentions. I had never heard this before and I was appalled. Even after 30 years, I am still learning about racism.

I said in my post that was closed that I would be glad to give up some of my White Privilege to bring balance into our society and I will say it again. There will be some who disagree with me but that is their prerogative.

Here you go...

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I’m sorry your partner has had to endure this racism in his life. There is nothing right about hate in any form.
 
As I explained in the other thread my wife, sons & daughter in law have dark skin with my daughter in law wayyyyyyy darker. Raising our sons to be peaceful law abiding citizens didn't make them immune to suspicion. BUT respecting law enforcement was forefront always. I didn't like what has happened & occasionally still does but given the ratio in crime statistics I understand the why of what law enforcement does.

I doubt there will ever be a time when responding to or looking into what might be a crime will be 100% perfect by law enforcement.
 
A lot on PBS this month about civil rights in the south. I sometimes wonder why black people even talk to white people. Then I know many had nothing to do with the atrocities. But we do need to teach in schools what really happened.

People denied the human right to water or to use a toilet. I was watching one of the shows this morning and a poor man was hit in the head with a rifle and knocked down. Not shot but this was horrible.

Shown also were white nuns in their full habits as part of a march. I thought 'it would take a real psycho racist to attack a nun in full habit, they're pretty safe." But too many other's weren't so protected.

There was also a very good PBS special about the movie Giant. There were only very few people still alive from the movie. Actors and production people. I had no idea that movie explored racism against Mexican Americans. I just thought it was a big name Dallas type movie. I've never watched the full movie.
 
Thanks for posting this. I'm sickened. I was especially interested in learning what happened to psycho at the end. Thank God for video and that Mr. Bunch stayed calm.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ng-black-men-they-dont-belong-city/956994002/


Below is a transcript of the conversation in the video:

Ofc. Moore: "I'm Mike Moore."

Bunch: "We are Dale Scribner's nephews."

Scribner: "We are here just trying to record a video."

Ofc. Moore: "Okay, and?"

Bunch: “We just noticed you’ve been following us everywhere.”

Ofc. Moore: Are you recording right now?”

Bunch: “Yeah, we are.”

Ofc. Moore: “You know why? Because you don’t belong in my city.”

Bunch: "We're from here."

Ofc. Moore: "But you understand, I know who my people are, right, who belongs here and who doesn't? We've got gang wars going on, we've got all kinds of stuff. I come from the big city where this stuff is small, okay? So, that's cool. Do your thing."

Bunch: "You said we don't belong in your city, though?"

Ofc. Moore: "Can I say something? I have never seen you here before, and I know almost everybody here."

Bunch: "I grew up here, in 101. I graduated from England High."

Ofc. Moore: "Well good for you, my name is Mike Moore. I'm not from here. Step away from my car, I'm about to get my dog out."
 
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What many people fail to realize is that racism is a two way street.
When I was about 12, some friends and I got on our bicycles and rode to a place a fair distance away. Our route took us through a "colored neighborhood". As we went down the street some black kids threw rocks at us.
A few years later in high school, we quickly learned that it was not prudent to be the only white in a locker room full of blacks.

This led to a practice of avoiding all contact whenever possible. Some folks call that "segregation", for others it is self-preservation.
 
dseag2 said:
This seems to be a topic that is as controversial as politics, since one of my threads was shut down due to controversial remarks. I just want to bring this to light once again.

My partner of 30 years is Filipino. He is a handsome guy but because he is Brown he has had to endure racism all of his life. We were discussing it today and he told me that he has always been careful to walk at a distance behind White women for fear they will be afraid that he has bad intentions. I had never heard this before and I was appalled. Even after 30 years, I am still learning about racism.

I said in my post that was closed that I would be glad to give up some of my White Privilege to bring balance into our society and I will say it again. There will be some who disagree with me but that is their prerogative.

Here you go...

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Racism is alive and well in the US, and racial profiling is an everyday occurrence. It sickens me that this is still happening in our country, and when these racists cops use the power of their badge and firearm to practice their racist views, it's particularly repulsive. One good thing is that these days they get away with less due to camera footage....but unfortunately it does not stop them or slow them down.
 
AnnieA said:
Thanks for posting this. I'm sickened. I was especially interested in learning what happened to psycho at the end. Thank God for video and that Mr. Bunch stayed calm.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ng-black-men-they-dont-belong-city/956994002/


Below is a transcript of the conversation in the video:

Ofc. Moore: "I'm Mike Moore."

Bunch: "We are Dale Scribner's nephews."

Scribner: "We are here just trying to record a video."

Ofc. Moore: "Okay, and?"

Bunch: “We just noticed you’ve been following us everywhere.”

Ofc. Moore: Are you recording right now?”

Bunch: “Yeah, we are.”

Ofc. Moore: “You know why? Because you don’t belong in my city.”

Bunch: "We're from here."

Ofc. Moore: "But you understand, I know who my people are, right, who belongs here and who doesn't? We've got gang wars going on, we've got all kinds of stuff. I come from the big city where this stuff is small, okay? So, that's cool. Do your thing."

Bunch: "You said we don't belong in your city, though?"

Ofc. Moore: "Can I say something? I have never seen you here before, and I know almost everybody here."

Bunch: "I grew up here, in 101. I graduated from England High."

Ofc. Moore: "Well good for you, my name is Mike Moore. I'm not from here. Step away from my car, I'm about to get my dog out."
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Arkansas police officer fired after telling black men they 'don't belong' in his city​

Per
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ng-black-men-they-dont-belong-city/956994002/

Arkansas police officer fired after telling black men they 'don't belong' in his city.

Over 3 years ago & the officer was fired.

One less bad apple in a barrel of good police officers.
 
@Nathan posted this on another thread, I think it's worth repeating here:

Prejudice is deeply en-grained in the psyche, most people will deny that it's there. Even with "enlightened" folks that make a conscious effort to treat people equally....the prejudice is hardwired

I believe this is true, its a part of all of us. To over come it we need to understand that and consciously try to resist our instincts.
dseag2 said:
because he is Brown he has had to endure racism all of his life.
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I am sure he has, and probably always will. Hopefully less and less, but it ain't going away. Maybe understanding that its instinctive and not personal would help? Probably not much...

OneEyedDiva said:
I don't know if a tiger can change it's stripes that much
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Hey @OneEyedDiva don't be too harsh on people for what they did at age 15.

I don't know Mark Wahlberg or anything more about him that what you said, but I am not perfect...

I never physically hurt anyone, but you wouldn't be happy to know some of the things I said at that age... The world changes, and to some extent so do we, hopefully for the best.
 
Alligatorob said:
@Nathan posted this on another thread, I think it's worth repeating here:

Prejudice is deeply en-grained in the psyche, most people will deny that it's there. Even with "enlightened" folks that make a conscious effort to treat people equally....the prejudice is hardwired

I believe this is true, its a part of all of us. To over come it we need to understand that and consciously try to resist our instincts.

I am sure he has, and probably always will. Hopefully less and less, but it ain't going away. Maybe understanding that its instinctive and not personal would help? Probably not much...


Hey @OneEyedDiva don't be too harsh on people for what they did at age 15.

I don't know Mark Wahlberg or anything more about him that what you said, but I am not perfect...

I never physically hurt anyone, but you wouldn't be happy to know some of the things I said at that age... The world changes, and to some extent so do we, hopefully for the best.
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WHAT! You don't know Mark Wahlberg who rose to fame as part of the insanely popular boy band New Kids On The Block? He was in the group with his brother Donnie, who I like a lot of Blue Bloods and pray he did not have the same racist traits as his brother. I do know I agree with Donnie's politics and social views from what I've read so far. Anyway, we all did stupid things when we were young. I always say we don't get sense until we are 40. But his was not just an ideology. Don't know if you read the article but the things Mark did were brutal !! I do know I like what I know about today's Alligatorob. :)
 
dseag2 said:
It was just wishful thinking. I can do my part by learning all I can about other cultures so as to be more accepting.
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I love learning about other people / cultures, helps to bring down barriers and the us vs them mentality. The old saying" familiarity breeds contempt" may have a bit of validity on some level, but in this context...familiarity helps us connect.
 
Gary O' said:
But, why, why, why do job applications, or applications in general, ask for race, gender, age. marriage status?
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I have wondered that too. It is supposed to be to keep statistics to show discrimination, or not, but I am skeptical. On a lot of things you can refuse to answer, which I often do.

The strange one is Hispanic, so hard to define. Under some government rules I can qualify as Hispanic based on my having ancestors who lived in Florida when it was still Spanish. Now the family names were Irish and English, and I doubt those folks could speak a word of Spanish, and probably did not consider themselves subject to the Spanish Crown. But I am still legally able to claim it... Never have, but I often considered it. Not that I wouldn't be proud to have Hispanic ancestry, I just don't.
 
dseag2 said:
I said in my post that was closed that I would be glad to give up some of my White Privilege to bring balance into our society and I will say it again. There will be some who disagree with me but that is their prerogative.
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Discrimination is overrated. In the end it's brains and hard work that win the day, but especially brains. Chinese were brought to California as low end laborers. When it came time to build the Western end of the Intercontinental railroad all the Irishmen were fighting in the civil war, so no choice but those lazy stupid Chinese. Big surprise! Those Chinese beat the Irish, setting records laying track and digging tunnels. When my recently deceased Chinese friend, former co-worker, and daughter of a shop keeper, was a newly married girl she and her Chinese husband set out to buy a house, but developers wouldn't sell to Chinese, the only exception being Joseph Eichler, but too far out of the city. When I worked with her she was a property owner, had one of the biggest accounts in the firm, and was the envy of her department. Before she died she gave (not loaned) her MD niece $200,000 to pay for her advanced education in cardiology.

Today Asians outnumber Whites in UC Berkeley, and many other universities on the West Coast. Median US Asian family income exceeds that of Whites, and the most advanced Silicon chip manufacturing facility in the World isn't in Silicon Valley, it's in Taiwan. Oh, and I drive a Korean car, and before that, Japanese. Brains and hard work, but especially brains. Darwin understood that. BTW -- I'm English Irish. (-8
 
Pepper said:
Where did you live as a kid @Manatee, if you don't mind me asking.
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The mentioned events occurred in Queens NY. When I was on my own, I left the city and a few years later the state. I have not missed them.
In the time I was in the Navy there was never a problem. We worked together and slept in the same room, 16 bunks stacked 4 deep. When we went ashore, whites went with whites and blacks went with blacks. There was never any discussion about it.
 

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