Remembering 9-11

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"Do you remember this photograph? In the United States, people have taken pains to banish it from the record of September 11, 2001. The story behind it, though, and the search for the man pictured in it, are our most intimate connection to the horror of that day."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48031/the-falling-man-tom-junod/
Sometimes, we don’t know if we should believe what is being told or not, but last night on TV, a psychiatrist told the audience that it’s his belief that the few people who jumped did so because they knew that their fate was at hand and that 1 of 2 scenarios would play out.

He thought that the jumpers knew that either they would burn to death or that the tower would collapse and their remains would have been crushed beyond recovery. It does make sense.

To me, I felt that these poor souls who jumped were so very brave. Who in their right mind would have the courage to jump from a window 100+ stories in the air?
 

I have been to the memorial in Shanksville many times. Flight 93 was a plane of heroes who took a vote before attempting to overtake the terrorists and get the plane on the ground safely.


As I noted earlier, I too have been there, just about a year after the memorial opened. I understand it is much more elaborate now . I understand that there are those that feel it should have been left the way it was. ........ [I'm one of those]

I can't imagine the reaction of the locals on that day. The area struck me as being a very quiet farming community . Then suddenly they are struck with one of the most horrible tragedies possible .
 
Sometimes, we don’t know if we should believe what is being told or not, but last night on TV, a psychiatrist told the audience that it’s his belief that the few people who jumped did so because they knew that their fate was at hand and that 1 of 2 scenarios would play out.

He thought that the jumpers knew that either they would burn to death or that the tower would collapse and their remains would have been crushed beyond recovery. It does make sense.

To me, I felt that these poor souls who jumped were so very brave. Who in their right mind would have the courage to jump from a window 100+ stories in the air?

If I knew I had a choice between burning to death and jumping, I think I would jump. At least it would be over quickly.
 

As I noted earlier, I too have been there, just about a year after the memorial opened. I understand it is much more elaborate now . I understand that there are those that feel it should have been left the way it was. ........ [I'm one of those]

I can't imagine the reaction of the locals on that day. The area struck me as being a very quiet farming community . Then suddenly they are struck with one of the most horrible tragedies possible .
One of my visits to the memorial was in February on a cold and windy day with snow on the ground. Because of the atmosphere, I was thinking that I shouldn’t have went. It was so serene and sad. No one else was there, except me and my wife. As we were leaving, a few more cars were pulling in. We decided to go there only because we had been to Pauxatawney to see the groundhog on Groundhog Day.

In the summertime, it’s a beautiful place. I am glad that they didn’t over commercialize it.
 
If I knew I had a choice between burning to death and jumping, I think I would jump. At least it would be over quickly.

As I noted earlier, my cousin lives just down the street, and watched it all unfold. She said she just started crying , and could not stop. Glad I didn't see any of it first hand.

Personally I think the photo is a hoax ? and I believe monetary gain had something to do with it's being.
 
From the Esquire article linked above...

"They began jumping not long after the first plane hit the North Tower, not long after the fire started. They kept jumping until the tower fell. They jumped through windows already broken and then, later, through windows they broke themselves. They jumped to escape the smoke and the fire; they jumped when the ceilings fell and the floors collapsed; they jumped just to breathe once more before they died. They jumped continually, from all four sides of the building, and from all floors above and around the building's fatal wound. They jumped from the offices of Marsh & McLennan, the insurance company; from the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond-trading company; from Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 106th and 107th floors—the top. For more than an hour and a half, they streamed from the building, one after another, consecutively rather than en masse, as if each individual required the sight of another individual jumping before mustering the courage to jump himself or herself. One photograph, taken at a distance, shows people jumping in perfect sequence, like parachutists, forming an arc composed of three plummeting people, evenly spaced. Indeed, there were reports that some tried parachuting, before the force generated by their fall ripped the drapes, the tablecloths, the desperately gathered fabric, from their hands. They were all, obviously, very much alive on their way down, and their way down lasted an approximate count of ten seconds. They were all, obviously, not just killed when they landed but destroyed, in body though not, one prays, in soul. One hit a fireman on the ground and killed him; the fireman's body was anointed by Father Mychal Judge, whose own death, shortly thereafter, was embraced as an example of martyrdom after the photograph—the redemptive tableau—of firefighters carrying his body from the rubble made its way around the world.

From the beginning, the spectacle of doomed people jumping from the upper floors of the World Trade Center resisted redemption. They were called "jumpers" or "the jumpers," as though they represented a new lemminglike class. The trial that hundreds endured in the building and then in the air became its own kind of trial for the thousands watching them from the ground. No one ever got used to it; no one who saw it wished to see it again, although, of course, many saw it again. Each jumper, no matter how many there were, brought fresh horror, elicited shock, tested the spirit, struck a lasting blow. Those tumbling through the air remained, by all accounts, eerily silent; those on the ground screamed. It was the sight of the jumpers that prompted Rudy Giuliani to say to his police commissioner, "We're in uncharted waters now." It was the sight of the jumpers that prompted a woman to wail, "God! Save their souls! They're jumping! Oh, please God! Save their souls!" And it was, at last, the sight of the jumpers that provided the corrective to those who insisted on saying that what they were witnessing was "like a movie," for this was an ending as unimaginable as it was unbearable: Americans responding to the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world with acts of heroism, with acts of sacrifice, with acts of generosity, with acts of martyrdom, and, by terrible necessity, with one prolonged act of—if these words can be applied to mass murder—mass suicide."
 
One of my visits to the memorial was in February on a cold and windy day with snow on the ground. Because of the atmosphere, I was thinking that I shouldn’t have went. It was so serene and sad. No one else was there, except me and my wife. As we were leaving, a few more cars were pulling in. We decided to go there only because we had been to Pauxatawney to see the groundhog on Groundhog Day.

In the summertime, it’s a beautiful place. I am glad that they didn’t over commercialize it.


There were about [hard to say] 25-50 people there on the day went. But still it was very serene & sad as you noted. And those that were there, were very reverent , hardly anything being said.

My reason for being in the area was a trip to Gettysburg so I thought ? And decided to go. Glad I did, and wish I hadn't all at the same time.
 
Jason was an excellent pilot and trainer.
We were in a simulator and Jason was teaching me about the new communications system that United had put into all of the 767’s. Neither Jason nor I realized that the mic was hot and ATC could hear our transmissions. Jason was teaching me about the new headsets that were available, if you didn’t have your own and he said into the mic “Good morning, Tower. This is a United 231 and we need vectors to runway 2-4 right.” The tower answered by saying, “United 231, we don’t even have you on radar. Where and who are you” We just looked at each other and at the same time, we both said “Oh $hit.”

Jason had to explain and apologize for our mistake.
 
As I noted earlier, my cousin lives just down the street, and watched it all unfold. She said she just started crying , and could not stop. Glad I didn't see any of it first hand.

Personally I think the photo is a hoax ? and I believe monetary gain had something to do with it's being.
Check it out.

 
THANK YOU for this thread.
I am another, that i will never forget......nor......will i ever want to forget.
I visit the footage every year......and, cry just as much now as i did that day.ng
I remember, the exact time, where i was, and what i was doing......the feeling i had, is something i can't explain now, or then.
My heart had felt like the world was ending, and for far too many, it did.
In that far too many, also including, the K9 heros.
Thank you all for sharing, the heartbreaking memories.
Thank you to all the surviving heros.
My Deepest Sorrow to those who endured such great losses so close.
 
Who could forget the jumpers. The entire day was like something out of a horror film. Of course the planes hitting the buildings was the biggest shocker but then more photographers and film footage showed up where you could clearly see all kinds of jumpers. This was horrifying. We all gasp in disbelief wondering what these people are thinking and how they are feeling and then see them jumping which says it all. Then you wonder where they are going to land and how many lives that’s going to affect. One firefighter was killed by one of the jumpers. Just witnessing this type of tragedy must have been haunting.
I don’t doubt the falling man picture is authetic. Why would I knowing that’s what I would do in the same situation.
 
My husband was there on the Friday to go talk to a friend....My husband worked in Jersey City, across the river in NJ...
He had a couple of friends in the building....When I called him from my school, we live down the shore, I told him
what was happening cause my friend next to my desk got a phone call from her husband watching from the turnpike
the building was coming down....Hubby didn't have a window in his office....He gathered up people to see what was
going on...Some new already and were watching the building go down....One guy did see the first plane hit the building....
I hate to say this....In Jersey City there were people clapping in the street....Hubby saw them....They had white robes on...
Someone might delete this....Cause they don't like what I told you.....So, be it!!!!
 
One thing I remember about 9-11 is how stupid we were to allow FOUR planes to be hijacked in ONE morning.
Our priorities were screwed up. Many still are. We didn't want to spend money on airport security.
The warm & fuzzy memorials & prayers are all well and good, but I much prefer thought, preparation, acknowledgement & prevention to 3,000 needless deaths.
 
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I live in the valley next to the Flight 93 Memorial. Thursday and Friday night there was a beam of light shooting up into the night sky much like the ones for the World Trade Center in New York City. I looked out my bathroom window and there it was. The hills around here are strange anyway and seeing that was rather stunning. My heart goes out to the people who lost their lives in that field that day.
 
What bugs me is the FBI had information of Middle Eastern Males were taking flying lessons in Florida and Arizona
They shunned lessons on how to take off and land, were only interested in how to actually fly the planes when air born .

The owner of the flying school telephoned the FBI to report this suspicious information. they was the only source of the FBI's
intel..
The FBI did not inform any other intelligence agency.
Hindsight is 20/20, but to ignore who is taking flying lessons for large aircraft would be of interest to the intelligence agencies.
 
Well, perhaps I've been wrong ....... Thanks for sharing.
There was a very interesting documentary on TV over the weekend that was hosted by the cameraman that took the now famous picture and he simply named it, "The Falling Man." The documentary showed several other people falling or jumping out of the buildings.

One thought did come to mind, "WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE IN THAT SITUATION? WOULD I HAVE ALLOWED MYSELF TO BE BURNED TO DEATH OR CRUSHED WHEN THE TOWER CAME DOWN OR JUMPED?" Truthfully, I can't answer that question.
 
When your on fire there is only one thought- get to a place where there is no fire.
The brain cannot function when your on fire, there is only one thought-get away (get to a place where there is no fire).

I caught my pocket on fire ( the inside of the pocket) at work. I do not remember running, appox thirty yards...
there was only one thought-get away from the fire.
While I was running I fumbled with my belt and jerked my pants down.
The important aspect is I had no conscious though of pulling my pants down, I was only trying to get away from the fire.
Why did I run?
I have no memory of running.

When I came too-a poor explanation, but there is no explanation of any thought when your on fire-only
get away from the fire. This is difficult to explain and difficult to understand unless you've been on fire.

The people that jumped to their death had no thought, only a primal behavior to get away from the fire.
 
I used to go to a company school in Kingston, NY fairly often, and if there over a weekend, I usually went to NYC on a Sunday morning for some sightseeing. I went to the top of the WTC on several occasions, and when I turned on the news on 9/11, and saw that tragedy unfolding, I was almost sick to my stomach.
 
My son stood on the NJ side of the Hudson River, directly across from the Towers and began yelling over the phone to me, some are jumping, Mom. We did see that on tv, so why all the questions of whether it was real or not?
 


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