Royals Miffed Old Picture Of Child/Current Queen Giving Nazi Salute Released

So many here in Canada don't really care one way or another, I'm not a royalist by any stretch, although I do like Kate & Will. This isn't a fuss, and no one's trying to educate the UK old folks either, just making conversation. Enjoy your day.
 

Thanks but my day is over and now off to bed,night.

I admit to being a Royalist but that is not the reason I find it is a lot of fuss being made about a seven second film made in 1933.....the past is the past as far as I am concerned and whoever passed that film onto The Sun newspaper were being quite irresponsible in my opinion.
 
It's a lot of fuss over nothing.In 1933 nobody knew what would happen six years later.Hitler was the leader in Germany and the salute seemed a funny thing to do.Yes, Bertie and Wallis were Nazi sympathisers and a blot on the landscape and we as a country were well rid of them both.if this footage or similar had been done after 1939 then it would be viewed in a different light.Nobody here cares about this photo except to feel sorry for the Queen that a rag like The Sun would publish it.
 
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God save the Queen from this nonsense! This furriner thinks that no one could read anything into this that might damage her reputation...
 
oakapple said:
It's a lot of fuss over nothing.In 1933 nobody knew what would happen six years later.Hitler was the leader in Germany and the salute seemed a funny thing to do.Yes, Bertie and Wallis were Nazi sympathisers and a blot on the landscape and we as a country were well rid of them both.if this footage or similar had been done after 1939 then it would be viewed in a different light.Nobody here cares about this photo except to feel sorry for the Queen that a rag like The Sun would publish it.
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Thanks Oakapple for a bit of common sense.
 
oakapple said:
It's a lot of fuss over nothing.In 1933 nobody knew what would happen six years later.Hitler was the leader in Germany and the salute seemed a funny thing to do.Yes, Bertie and Wallis were Nazi sympathisers and a blot on the landscape and we as a country were well rid of them both.if this footage or similar had been done after 1939 then it would be viewed in a different light.Nobody here cares about this photo except to feel sorry for the Queen that a rag like The Sun would publish it.
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This is true. When all of us think 'Nazi' we have images of concentration camps. This was long before that happened.
 
Cookie said:
I think this is a bit different than little boys playing. Its the royal family, being filmed, are they playing or mocking or practicing - for the camera. Not judging, but it invites questions. And with so much information now available online for everyone to read, it becomes interesting to history buffs.
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Yes but at the time that salute meant nothing. The atrocities might have started but they were not known.

They also weren't Royals in the true sense. This was a young family at play. He was simply a painfully shy younger brother of the flamboyant Prince of Wales. There was no prospect of him, or his daughter, acceding to the throne.
 
Laurie said:
Yes but at the time that salute meant nothing. The atrocities might have started but they were not known.

They also weren't Royals in the true sense. This was a young family at play. He was simply a painfully shy younger brother of the flamboyant Prince of Wales. There was no prospect of him, or his daughter, acceding to the throne.
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True that they had no idea he would abdicate and that Elizabeth would eventually end up queen. But you'd think that when the atrocities the Nazis did were discovered that they would destroy this film.
 
WhatInThe said:
Ford wasn't living in a country that was less than 50 miles from the enemy or the machinations of pre war Germany includng the Spanish Civil War in which Hitler propped a government and tested and fine tuned his military. Proximity can explain away pre war activity but proximity means the royals should've been privy to more detail about the regime as well. The most famous US Nazi sympathizer pre war was Charles Lindbergh.

Should note many big companies were later have found to done business with war time Nazi Germany through companies in places like South America. This this about the Royals who were much closer to danger from their 'friends'.
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Yes, many Americans don't realize it but Charles Lindbergh was quite an outspoken white supremacist and anti-Semite.
 
Laurie said:
Yes but at the time that salute meant nothing. The atrocities might have started but they were not known.

They also weren't Royals in the true sense. This was a young family at play. He was simply a painfully shy younger brother of the flamboyant Prince of Wales. There was no prospect of him, or his daughter, acceding to the throne.
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Good post Laurie.
 
Oh, the poor royals they are so hard done by - always getting targeted by trashy papers! Just goes to show that they are not above it all and are just as human as the rest of us, regardless of how hard they try to present a perfect image. Although these kinds of exposes might displease them, they are not lies, just information.
 
Although these kinds of exposes might displease them, they are not lies, just information.
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This.

And as I said before, the "Oh, shucks, that was in the past" shrug-off does not change anything.

Nazi concentration camps were also "in the past". The Holocaust survivors say the world should not forget. I happen to agree.
 
"really hated having to pledge allegiance to the queen and her heirs when I became a citizen "

That surprises me. If I applied to become a naturalised US citizen I would fully expect to have to pledge allegiance to the President, and I would think that most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, would expect, indeed would demand, it too.

"But you'd think that when the atrocities the Nazis did were discovered that they would destroy this film."

What nonsense. Do you expect old and respected American families to expunge all records of slave ownership from their records. Would you expect descendants of the guards at Andersonville to deny their history, or the inventors of the concentration camp, the British rulers in South Africa, to pretend they never existed?

It is our history. We might be uncomfortable with it, but it's there.
 
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"really hated having to pledge allegiance to the queen and her heirs when I became a citizen "

That surprises me. If I applied to become a naturalised US citizen I would fully expect to have to pledge allegiance to the President, and I would think that most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, would expect, indeed would demand, it too.

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You are comparing the queen with the president? Hardly the same. I am not a royalist and the queen does not run the country. There are 3 citizenship pledges - one has the queen, one has the queen and god, one had a pledge only to the UK itself. I would have chosen that one.
 
True, AC, finding and prosecuting of Nazi war criminals is still taking place - even though these men are in their 90s - it was so long ago, yet justice and closure is necessary. Historical data must be accurate and out in the open and available to the general public, even though some people in high places might not like it.

We still have tie to the monarchy, which I find outdated and the exhorbitant 'royal visits' here are paid for by Canadian taxpayers.
 
Laurie said:


"But you'd think that when the atrocities the Nazis did were discovered that they would destroy this film."

What nonsense. Do you expect old and respected American families to expunge all records of slave ownership from their records. Would you expect descendants of the guards at Andersonville to deny their history, or the inventors of the concentration camp, the British rulers in South Africa, to pretend they never existed?

It is our history. We might be uncomfortable with it, but it's there.
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I never said they should, but if I were in their position, I would have.
 
One can't control their past history but they can chose to make decisions on current information. If the Royals saw a future filled with atrocities and another World War I'm sure playing Nazi wouldn't have been tolerated unless they were mocking them. I'd be worried about their/the current attitudes towards those 90 year old Nazi's that still are being apprehended and tried.

My guess is with some of the pre war sympathy they saw a Germany coming out of a depression with a robust economy and strong but not dangerous military. And the Royals or British in general might have more pre war sympathy simply because of proximity along with friends & relatives in or from Germany.

The photo and subject did bring or stir up a lot of other history & theories from that era.

Sometimes you have to look at old history as background noise. Learn it and take away what you want but IF everyone runs 'what if' scenarios or 'what about this or that' one would poop even more if they thought about the advancements and precursors to modern day plumbing during the Roman Empire which ruled with an iron fist and slaves. Any time one walks under an arch I believe it was Roman engineers who found better ways for the arch to not collapse. Learn from history and don't let it repeat for the bad especially.
 
Laurie said:
"really hated having to pledge allegiance to the queen and her heirs when I became a citizen "

That surprises me. If I applied to become a naturalised US citizen I would fully expect to have to pledge allegiance to the President, and I would think that most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, would expect, indeed would demand, it too.

"But you'd think that when the atrocities the Nazis did were discovered that they would destroy this film."

What nonsense. Do you expect old and respected American families to expunge all records of slave ownership from their records. Would you expect descendants of the guards at Andersonville to deny their history, or the inventors of the concentration camp, the British rulers in South Africa, to pretend they never existed?

It is our history. We might be uncomfortable with it, but it's there.
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And BTW, when you become a naturalised US citizen you do not pledge allegiance to the president.
http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship...ization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america
 
"You are comparing the queen with the president?"

No, I'm comparing two Heads of State. The President has a dual role as Head of Government as well but that is a bit unusual. In many (most?) democratic countries the two are separate, and in most counties one's allegiance is not to the politician who happens to be in charge ate the moment.

In the States they have the checks and balances, and the rooted culture, to deal with this, but most countries don't, and I include our own.

I would gladly have sworn allegiance to Margaret, but never to Cameron, Blair, Wilson and their ilk!
 
Laurie said:
"You are comparing the queen with the president?"

No, I'm comparing two Heads of State. The President has a dual role as Head of Government as well but that is a bit unusual. In many (most?) democratic countries the two are separate, and in most counties one's allegiance is not to the politician who happens to be in charge ate the moment.

In the States they have the checks and balances, and the rooted culture, to deal with this, but most countries don't, and I include our own.

I would gladly have sworn allegiance to Margaret, but never to Cameron, Blair, Wilson and their ilk!
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My point is in the US you don't swear allegiance to a person or office, but in the UK you have to swear allegiance to the queen and her heirs. My allegiances are to the countries I am a citizen of - the US and the UK. Although I had to say the words I do not feel an allegiance to a family who has has power and wealth by accident of birth.
 
"Although I had to say the words I do not feel an allegiance"

Ah! A basic difference I feel. I could never swear an oath I didn't mean!

"I never said they should, but if I were in their position, I would have."

Destroy some pictures of a well loved mother and sister play-acting in a happier and more innocent time?

Perhaps she has more heart.
 
My husband talked me out of getting citizenship for years because of the oath. But I wanted to be a citizen and I wanted to be able to vote in the country where I will live out my life. I also like to travel using the same passport as my husband (except US).
 

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