Run-in with a jerk

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Knight said:
#1 Still don't know if the man had any handicap that wasn't visible. Not everyone that had joint replacement walks or moves awkwardly but can have difficulty twisting in a confined space. Legally blind not visible but makes navigating obstacles difficult.

#2. You are right I don't know the configuration of San Diego busses. From what you describe there are no steps to get in but after you get in there are steps to access seating. Interesting that you describe yourself as large & capable of putting a smaller man in the hospital, but don't have the strength to drag a cart up 3 steps.
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What a hoot ! Your post gives me a chuckle. :giggle: People absolutely determined to make that jerk the victim and me as the aggressor. Not one person has considered the possibility that the jerk was on drugs, or that he wanted to intimidate someone who he thought he could push around. Or both for that matter.
Many people must lead very sheltered lives to have little or no knowledge of what life can be like on the streets of a city where thugs often prey on the elderly.
Two last things to think about. You were not there. I was.
No matter what anyone says, I'll always defend myself.
 
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senior chef said:
Clearly, you don't know what it is like on our city buses, here at the Mexican border. More often than not, people are partially or even completely blocking the aisle. It is quite normal. So, do you now suggest that they are all passive aggressive thugs ? Or is only me ?
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City buses are alike everywhere. I was riding a bus in a large city in PA, when I lost my balance, and to my everlasting humiliation, landed in some guys lap. His reaction? He shoved me off so hard that I hit the floor. He seemed to think that I had been overcome by passion and had tried to initiate an unwanted romantic moment. :mad:

I have also seen able bodied people fill up the front seats of the bus, knowing that they are to be surrendered if a disabled person boards the bus. Do they surrender the seat? No. Time and again the bus driver has to order them out of the way when a wheelchair bound person boards the bus. Things can be tough all over.
 
oldman said:
A few years back, I walked into an auto parts store looking for a new PCV valve for my Envoy. I stand 6’4” and weigh in at about 210# right now, so I am no little man. As I walked up the aisle to look for my part, another guy about 5’10” and wearing a t-shirt with a denim vest stood in my way andI asked him to move twice. Finally, I asked him if he was deaf. He turned his back to me and on the back of his vest were the words, “Hell’s Angels.” I became rigid for a moment, but finally awoke and told him to have a nice day and then left the store.
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Good move!

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carouselsilver said:
City buses are alike everywhere. I was riding a bus in a large city in PA, when I lost my balance, and to my everlasting humiliation, landed in some guys lap. His reaction? He shoved me off so hard that I hit the floor. He seemed to think that I had been overcome by passion and had tried to initiate an unwanted romantic moment. :mad:

I have also seen able bodied people fill up the front seats of the bus, knowing that they are to be surrendered if a disabled person boards the bus. Do they surrender the seat? No. Time and again the bus driver has to order them out of the way when a wheelchair bound person boards the bus. Things can be tough all over.
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Yep ! Jerks abound. One thing that drives me crazy is when some guy sits in a seat and "man-spreads" so that no-one can sit next to him.
 
Still, I don't think it is a good idea to confront anyone on a moving bus. My brother, who lives in Newark, witnessed a brutal assault on a crowded commuter bus which was going from the airport to the bus terminal. One man was quarreling with another man, who was accompanied by a woman and a little girl. They all boarded the bus, continuing the quarrel. Then the first man decided to start punching the other guy, and a fight broke out. An elderly woman at the front of the bus was injured as well as several other passengers.

It's just better to avoid confrontations as it is impossible to predict just how they will end!
 
senior chef said:
What a hoot ! Your post gives me a chuckle. :giggle: People absolutely determined to make that jerk the victim and me as the aggressor. Not one person has considered the possibility that the jerk was on drugs, or that he wanted to intimidate someone who he thought he could push around. Or both for that matter.
Many people must lead very sheltered lives to have little or no knowledge of what life can be like on the streets of a city where thugs often prey on the elderly.
Two last things to think about. You were not there. I was.
No matter what anyone says, I'll always defend myself.
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Absolutely right I was not there to witness what took place. All I have to go on is you had a cart in the aisle of the bus you were riding & another passenger wanted you to move it so he could get by. Must be that you refused to move your "little" basket since you claim he grabbed it.

A civil person would have moved it thereby avoiding any conflict. But you claim you outsized him so you could easily put him in the hospital. Not all aggression is physical verbal aggression is real. Sounds to me like you wanted to force some kind of reaction which IMO makes you the aggressor.

Maybe you are right you are the victim. Defending yourself against a smaller man that asked you to move your "little" basket was not reasonable :cry: :ROFLMAO:
 
Knight said:
Absolutely right I was not there to witness what took place. All I have to go on is you had a cart in the aisle of the bus you were riding & another passenger wanted you to move it so he could get by. Must be that you refused to move your "little" basket since you claim he grabbed it.

A civil person would have moved it thereby avoiding any conflict. But you claim you outsized him so you could easily put him in the hospital. Not all aggression is physical verbal aggression is real. Sounds to me like you wanted to force some kind of reaction which IMO makes you the aggressor.

Maybe you are right you are the victim. Defending yourself against a smaller man that asked you to move your "little" basket was not reasonable :cry: :ROFLMAO:
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I repeat, there was PLENTY of room for him to pass by me. I don't know how many times I have to say that before people get the idea. The trouble did not start until he shouted at me AND grabbed my cart.
Moreover, he may have been a head shorter than me BUT HE WAS ALSO 50 YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME. NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT HE HAD THE ADVANTAGE.
 
senior chef said:
I repeat, there was PLENTY of room for him to pass by me. I don't know how many times I have to say that before people get the idea. The trouble did not start until he shouted at me AND grabbed my cart.
Moreover, he may have been a head shorter than me BUT HE WAS ALSO 50 YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME. NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT HE HAD THE ADVANTAGE.
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You can repeat but it still comes down to your cart was in the aisle. That & his side of the encounter isn't posted. What advantage? According to you you had the physical advantage.
The first goal of root cause analysis is to discover the root cause of a problem or event.
Cart in the aisle

The second goal is to fully understand how to fix, compensate, or learn from any underlying issues within the root cause.

Fixing=
1.Lift the "little" cart up the 3 steps & sit in the back seats when possible
2.Move cart to where it doesn't obstruct others easy way of walking to their seat


The third goal is to apply what we learn from this analysis to systematically prevent future issues.
That will take understanding that the root cause was identified in the first goal.
 
Knight said:
You can repeat but it still comes down to your cart was in the aisle. That & his side of the encounter isn't posted. What advantage? According to you you had the physical advantage.
The first goal of root cause analysis is to discover the root cause of a problem or event.
Cart in the aisle

The second goal is to fully understand how to fix, compensate, or learn from any underlying issues within the root cause.

Fixing=
1.Lift the "little" cart up the 3 steps & sit in the back seats when possible
2.Move cart to where it doesn't obstruct others easy way of walking to their seat


The third goal is to apply what we learn from this analysis to systematically prevent future issues.
That will take understanding that the root cause was identified in the first goal.
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Nearly 30% of bus riders around here have carts that PARTIALLY block the aisle. Nothing new there !!!!! Get it ????
There is NO PLACE ON THE BUS WHERE A CART DOES NOT PARTIALLY BLOCK THE AISLE OR AN EXIT.

What would satisfy you ? For me to go and see if I can locate him so he can post his side of the story ??? You bloody well know that is impossible.

He was 50 years younger than me. I call that a MAJOR advantage.

You and several others act like you never had a run-in with a young thug. Where I live, they abound.

You keep putting LITTLE cart in quotes. What are you trying to imply ?

Those may be YOUR goals, BUT they are not mine. I have entirely different goals. I'd be happy if young thugs would treat me with respect. When they don't, I get angry. Might I die someday in defense of my honor ? Sure. Guess what. I don't care !!!!
 
Shero said:
More evidence from the court:
view of inside of bus in San Diego.
cramped space, not much room for shopping trolleys
there are two little steps at back of bus.
I am 5'4" and weigh 55 kilos
I can carry my shopping trolley up those steps.
No worries, as my new Aussie mates say!!

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The video is of an "extended" bus. The kind that literally bend in the middle. Those buses are on certain routes ONLY. Not the kind of bus that I was on.
PS: I estimate that my cart, when full of canned goods, sodas, etc etc. weighs aprox 90 lbs or 42 kilos. Lets see you lift that up those narrow steps.
 
Swanky bus. Looks pretty roomy to me.
Supports the claim that the cart was not too much of a problem.

I don't travel with a shopping cart but I do occasionally take a wheelie walker on the train. Sometimes the train is quite crowded but no-one seems to mind the space that the walker takes up. I try to avoid inconveniencing other commuters and apologise proactively if I think they might feel irritated about it. Never had a confrontation but as a white haired old woman standing just over 5 foot tall I wouldn't expect one unless the other person was a bit deranged. Always a possibility on public transport.
 
senior chef said:
The video is of an "extended" bus. The kind that literally bend in the middle. Those buses are on certain routes ONLY. Not the kind of bus that I was on.
PS: I estimate that my cart, when full of canned goods, sodas, etc etc. weighs aprox 90 lbs or 42 kilos. Lets see you lift that up those narrow steps.
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Non-sense, you cannot fool me. Spent a week in SanDiego and used the buses.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: thought you had me on "ignore"
 
Warrigal said:
Swanky bus. Looks pretty roomy to me.
Supports the claim that the cart was not too much of a problem.

I don't travel with a shopping cart but I do occasionally take a wheelie walker on the train. Sometimes the train is quite crowded but no-one seems to mind the space that the walker takes up. I try to avoid inconveniencing other commuters and apologise proactively if I think they might feel irritated about it. Never had a confrontation but as a white haired old woman standing just over 5 foot tall I wouldn't expect one unless the other person was a bit deranged. Always a possibility on public transport.
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Yes, indeed. I can't speak about your area but in California, nut cases abound.
PS: that video is of an entirely different kind of bus than the one I was on. (see my post above)
 
senior chef said:
The video is of an "extended" bus. The kind that literally bend in the middle. Those buses are on certain routes ONLY. Not the kind of bus that I was on.
PS: I estimate that my cart, when full of canned goods, sodas, etc etc. weighs aprox 90 lbs or 42 kilos. Lets see you lift that up those narrow steps.
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You estimate that your "little basket" (your words) weighed 90 pounds. 90 pounds? How in the world did you get that up the steps onto the bus in the first place? If you managed to get a 90 pound basket ONTO the bus, you couldn't get it up a couple of more steps? A big tough dude like you? I'm surprised that the "thug" didn't fall down in a frightened faint when he saw what you were capable of lifting.
 
jujube said:
You estimate that your "little basket" (your words) weighed 90 pounds. 90 pounds? How in the world did you get that up the steps onto the bus in the first place? If you managed to get a 90 pound basket ONTO the bus, you couldn't get it up a couple of more steps? A big tough dude like you? I'm surprised that the "thug" didn't fall down in a frightened faint when he saw what you were capable of lifting.
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The buses here are "kneeling buses". In other words , the right front of the bus literally lowers itself when the driver hits a switch, And they have ramps which fold out so the handicapped, elderly and people with heavy loads may simply roll their carts up a very slight incline.

I'm kinda curious about how long some people are going to harass me on this subject ????
Perhaps only a public crucifixion would satisfy some folks ????
 
jujube said:
You can only be harrassed as long as you put up with it. You can't seem to stay away from it, so you must be enjoying it.

If you feel harrassed, you can complain to a Moderator and ask that the thread be locked to any further posts. Or you can just stop responding to it and it will die a natural death.
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I once complained about someone who was extremely vile. Nothing what-so-ever happened.
Apparently, a person can be banned, for mentioning the name of a president but not for saying truly nasty, nasty things about someone else.
 
jujube said:
You can only be harrassed as long as you put up with it. You can't seem to stay away from it, so you must be enjoying it.

If you feel harrassed, you can complain to a Moderator and ask that the thread be locked to any further posts. Or you can just stop responding to it and it will die a natural death.
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Well, I keep hoping that those who are against me will see reason. Perhaps I'm just naïve.
As far as not responding is concerned, let me ask you this. Would you simply walk away if people were outside your house and they were shouting nasty things about you OR would you try to get them to stop ?
 
jujube said:
Why would anybody be outside my house shouting nasty things about me? My car is in the driveway, it's not blocking the sidewalk.
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Good question. Likewise I have no idea why people say nasty things at about me. My cart was not blocking anyone. AND certainly not the ones who say nasty things about me. Maybe some people hate, just for hates sake.
 
Something to think about - the behavioural technique that works in most situations with most people is praise and ignore.

Something else to think about - not everyone you encounter on the interwebs will think well of you. And vice versa. Why let this reality cause you grief? To shrug your shoulders and move on is not weakness IMO.
 
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