Saudis don't allow their women to drive.

Michael.

Michael.

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Saudis don't allow their women to drive.


Not only that, they don't allow them to take engineering at college

They are not allowed to pursue a career in music or singing!


Saudi Arabia is the only country where women are not allowed to drive.

Recently dozens of Saudi women took to their cars in defiance of this ban
and posted videos of their protest online.


While some 17,000 people signed a petition in support of their campaign,
plenty of conservative Saudis are happy to keep things just the way they are.


Among them is Sheik Salah al-Luhaydan, a top cleric who last month warned women
that they risk damaging their ovaries and rearing defective children if they drive.?


Listen to this video made by a Saudi comedian who doesn't say what his views are
but he doesn't appear to be on the Wahabi rulers side!


No Woman, No Drive?


http://tinyurl.com/nflgb86


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I'm afraid it's going to take a female Nelson Mandela to turn it around, some hero willing to sacrifice most of their life on behalf of change. Such a shame!!!
 
I'll put a dollar on 'da sisters' to stamp the foot in S.Arabia eventually. I've seen interviews with some of those gals and they're not all dopey kitchen sink slaves. They're highly educated, wealthy beyond our dreams, wear Paris fashions under those tents and until they build up their political and social power and get organized they'll let the status quo sit for a while. That driving protest the other day is a first stirring.
btw, if they're not allowed to drive how come so many can actually drive? Who taught them? Presumably they learned while living and studying in the West. They're apparently not too oppressed to be allowed to live abroad learning wicked Western ways.

Why do we get so outraged by how Moslem women are treated anyway?? Didn't anyone read our own history?? How long have we women had a say in anything? Not all that long. We couldn't vote, and we still get the 'women drivers' and rolled eyes treatment sometimes. Right? I had trouble getting a short term mortgage as late as 1988 simply because I was a single woman and had no man to sign as guarantor! Was that religious oppression, or just a culture formed by shaky male egos desperately hanging on to a veneer of superiority?

Western women allowed men to keep them down too, remember? Who came dashing to our aid to 'liberate' us from oppression?

We Western/Christian women only vote and drive, and do our own banking, because 'da sisters', the suffragettes, fought the buggers to a standstill for the right to it, and when they're ready Moslem women will do the same. If they even really want it, maybe they don't. Some, judging from what I've seen and heard, like things as they are, for now. Tch Imagine that eh?

I sure wouldn't be sending my sons and brothers (if I had any) out to fight and die for their rights to equality. That's a fight they need to win for themselves or it's meaningless. They need to prove the tradition wrong and persuade the men to change their attitude, you can't force someone to change their opinion at the point of a gun or with a law on a piece of paper.

We are still whinging about glass ceilings and sexist discrimination and are still paid at a lower rate than men whenever they can get away with it. Do you think the Moslems will send in an army to 'liberate' us?

They're just a century or two behind in attitudes, give 'em time and women there will liberate themselves as much as they need to.
Because of the way things are structured there is no way for single independent women to make a decent life. There are simply not enough jobs for any but the higher class of educated women to make employment an option. The poorer, less educated women still need men to support them, and their 'subjugation' is the price of that 'protection'. Their industry and social structure hasn't advanced along the same lines as ours, they aren't big in manufacturing industries offering employment. We really shouldn't expect their behaviour to mirror ours. Ours mirrored theirs until fairly recently, remember?


... I'm folding up for the night shortly so any arguments will be on hold for a few hours. This was a hit-run, sorry.
 
Phil is cruisin' for a bruisin' here.........;)


This brings to mind the movie "Not Without My Daughter".... very sad.
 
Diwundrin said:
Didn't anyone read our own history?? How long have we women had a say in anything? Not all that long. We couldn't vote, and we still get the 'women drivers' and rolled eyes treatment sometimes. Right? I had trouble getting a short term mortgage as late as 1988 simply because I was a single woman and had no man to sign as guarantor! Was that religious oppression, or just a culture formed by shaky male egos desperately hanging on to a veneer of superiority?
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I wasn't allowed study physics at high school because "girls can't do physics" and we weren't allowed to start a chess club because "chess is unladylike". At University, if I married I had to pay back all of my scholarship but if a male student married he received an extra allowance for his wife. As a married woman, the first credit card offered to us was in the name of my husband alone, even though we had a joint bank account and it was my pay that was deposited directly into it. (There was quite a storm over that one and I did get my card from the bank). You don't have to go all the way back to the suffragettes to find blatant discrimination against women in Australia and if you were an Aboriginal woman things were even worse.

I agree with Di, the Saudi women and women in other muslim countries will force change. Even in India, which is not predominantly muslim, the women are demanding better rights and better protection for themselves and for their daughters.
 
Anne said:
Phil is cruisin' for a bruisin' here.........;)


This brings to mind the movie "Not Without My Daughter".... very sad.
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I've seen that movie a couple times, Anne, so good, but so frustrating at the nightmare you experience if the ex skips to his homeland with the child. It's almost impossible to get them back and would cost a vast fortune, which most of us don't have.

And confirming Di's point.... most of these women are far from domestic help. I mentioned I've read several autobiographies of these women and other than having almost zero rights, a great majority of them live the life of ultra-rich matrons...clothes shopping in Paris, diamonds out the wazoo, vacations all over the world, and servants galore -- in direct contrast to how they are treated as human beings. I believe at some point it will change, but not in our lifetime.
 
The best idea I've seen in action to 'liberate' women was actually instigated by a man. He lends very small amounts to women who are destitute. Enough to buy a goat or a cow so she can sell the milk, or kid or calf, or some yarn and a loom, or material for a cottage craft that she can sell. That is how fine a line they survive on. The price of a pair of shoes to us is enough to enable them to generate income to feed themselves and their kids on.
He doesn't charge them much, if any, interest on the initial loan and they pay him back a few rupees or whatever when they have started to generate income, and over a longer time than a bank would tolerate.
As they pay it back it gets lent to other women in desperate circumstances.

I think it was in Bangladesh but could have been part of India, don't remember, but what a great idea that would work in many parts of the world. Better than what the big organizations are doing. Too much of their donations goes into administration to benefit anyone much and what they do hand out is not a sustainable benefit.

The old adage "... teach a man to fish" has been put to use in "teach a woman the art of trading and business and she'll look after herself."

Without him those women had to rely on marriage or the charity of men to survive. No 'women's rights' for them. Armies won't 'liberate' women, independence through being able to generate their own income will.

That bloke should be 'Man of Century.' :thumbsup:
 
re:they risk damaging their ovaries when women drive.

Really?? Does this mean if us guys sit on our "thingy" while driving ....oh never mind.

 
Diwundrin said:
Phil, about that women drivers crack .... you do realise the old S&M maxim applies. The masochist pleads for a belting, and the sadist says "No."
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A maxim I live by, but it doesn't change the results of the study. :playful:

Women are also far more likely than a man to run into another woman driver.

Scientists also found that women were more likely than men to crash at a junction - their cars are often hit on the left-hand side when trying to make a right-hand turn, and vice versa.

And most accidents involving hitting the gas pedal instead of the brake are committed by women.

Comments? :devilish:
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SifuPhil said:
Study Shows Women More Likely To Cause Accidents

Women drivers. :rolleyes:
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Huh? I kind of skimmed this article but what I came away with is that women on women accidents were more than anticipated, but in reality were still much lower than men on men accidents.
More skewed research data, designed to mislead and make the point of view they want.
:blah:

Say you're sorry, Phil.


Using the General Estimate System data from a nationally representative sample of police-reported crashes, the researchers expected to find that male-to-male crashes would account for 36.2% of accidents, female-to-female would make up 15.8% and male-to-female would make up 48% of crashes.

Instead, they found female-to-female accidents made up 20.5% of all crashes, much higher than expected. Male-to-male crashes were lower than expected, at 31.9%, and male-to-female crashes were 47.6%.
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Ozarkgal said:
Huh? I kind of skimmed this article but what I came away with is that women on women accidents were more than anticipated, but in reality were still much lower than men on men accidents.
More skewed research data, designed to mislead and make the point of view they want.
:blah:

Say you're sorry, Phil.
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You're sorry, Phil. :black_eyed:

Just wanted to see who was awake. :D
 
Diwundrin said:
The best idea I've seen in action to 'liberate' women was actually instigated by a man. He lends very small amounts to women who are destitute. Enough to buy a goat or a cow so she can sell the milk, or kid or calf, or some yarn and a loom, or material for a cottage craft that she can sell. That is how fine a line they survive on. The price of a pair of shoes to us is enough to enable them to generate income to feed themselves and their kids on.
He doesn't charge them much, if any, interest on the initial loan and they pay him back a few rupees or whatever when they have started to generate income, and over a longer time than a bank would tolerate.
As they pay it back it gets lent to other women in desperate circumstances.

I think it was in Bangladesh but could have been part of India, don't remember, but what a great idea that would work in many parts of the world. Better than what the big organizations are doing. Too much of their donations goes into administration to benefit anyone much and what they do hand out is not a sustainable benefit.

The old adage "... teach a man to fish" has been put to use in "teach a woman the art of trading and business and she'll look after herself."

Without him those women had to rely on marriage or the charity of men to survive. No 'women's rights' for them. Armies won't 'liberate' women, independence through being able to generate their own income will.

That bloke should be 'Man of Century.' :thumbsup:
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Man of the Century for sure! I loved reading this, gave me goose bumps!
 
They call him the "banker of the poor." Now Muhammad Yunus can add Nobel Peace Prize winner to his resume. The Bangladeshi economist and his Grameen Bank won the 1.4-million-U.S.-dollar prize on Friday for pioneering a new category of banking known as micro-credit, which grants small loans to poor people who have no collateral and who do not qualify for conventional bank loans. (Related: Nobel winners in medicine, physics, and chemistry.)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2006/10/061013-nobel-peace.html
 

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