School Shooter's Mother Found Guilty of Manslaughter

hollydolly said:
What if your children ( say teenage kids).. don't live with you?
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To every broad generality there are always exceptions. But, that does not condemn the point of the generality. Nothing can be said or done where an exception won't be found. This is what the court system in the United States tends to forget. If you are going to have a trail for each situation then each situation must be judged on its own merits.
 

As a child growing up my parents always impressed upon me the idea that they had full responsibility for me and my actions. At that time in American justice children had no rights. The parents thus were responsible. This court decision moves the needle back towards this idea. The pendulum swings. As it always does.
 

Here it is without the video then Pinks...

James Crumbley was seen crying as he and wife Jennifer each received a landmark 15 year prison sentence over their son Ethan's school massacre.

James was unable to contain his emotion as a Michigan judge ordered him and his estranged wife to spend 10-15 years behind bars on Tuesday.

Fifteen years was the maximum sentence available to the pair, who will each have two years subtracted from their sentences for time served.

The parents were convicted at separate trials in February as juries found they ignored their son's pleas for mental health help while buying him the firearm he used to massacre four classmates in 2021.

Their sentences will be served minus the near-two-and-a-half years they have already served, and they will be barred from contacting to their son's victim's families.

The sentence was read shortly after the heartbroken mother of one of Ethan Crumbley's victims slammed his parents for a lack of remorse, as she pleaded with a judge to impose the maximum sentence of 15 years, which they ultimately received.

Speaking at the sentencing hearing, Nicole Beausoliel, the mother of slain Madisyn Baldwin, 17, scathed the couple as 'failed parents.'

'You've shown no remorse or respect to our family,' the stricken mother said through tears. 'The words involuntary should not be a part of your sentence.'

Her tearful statement was followed by the mother of Justin Shilling, who echoed Beausoliel's grief as she condemned them for not 'cherishing or even wanting your son.'

'But I cherished and wanted mine,' she added. 'You failed your son.'
The emotional victim impact statements came as James and Jennifer Crumbley could barely look at each other as they were forced into a frosty reunion at their manslaughter sentencing.

The victim impact statements condemned the parents for their failure to act, as Justin Shilling's mother said 'the ripple effect of James and Jennifer's failures are felt by all.'

'If only they had done something,' she said, again requesting the judge impose the maximum sentence. 'You failed.'

Justin's father Craig Shilling closed his victim impact statement with a request to the room, solemnly asking other parents to 'go home and hug your kids.'

In a request for lenient sentencing, Jennifer's attorney said she is 'hugely distraught and remorseful' over the shooting.


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I would have felt sorry for them..especially the father who genuinely didn't know his son had taken the gun the mother bought for him to school... if... he and the mother hadn't emptied their bank account and along with 2 guns had gone into hiding, before the police found them

Secondly I very annoyed listening to his speech in the court, he couldn't have mis-read the room more..

6 children killed at the hands of his killer son... yet what did the father say to the parents of those children in court today ?... '' I haven't been able to see my son since last November ''...

WTF>.. SMH
 
hollydolly said:
6 children killed at the hands of his killer son... yet what did the father say to the parents of those children in court today ?... '' I haven't been able to see my son since last November ''...
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Oh good gracious! :mad: That is the most NON-compassionate thing I've heard in a long time. Those people will NEVER get to see their sons and daughters again. EVER. GRRRRR
 
Jackie23 said:
Hopefully after this, parents out there will think twice before they pass their gun culture on to their children.
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Well this is the test isn't it?.. and the courts need to follow through if and when there's a next time, and do the same thing with the parents, just in case anyone think this is a one off, and they can take their eye off the ball when it comes to providing their kids or knowing their kids have guns...or have a mindset not suitable to be using any kind of weapon..without supervision..
 
I wish something like this would happen here,
too many children are killing other children
here, but they use knives, our police are so poor,
they would struggle to prove that the parents
didn't train their child properly, or prove that
the knife came from their kitchen.

Mike.
 
Nathan said:
I sure there's a technical distinction but sounds like a basic "no contest" plea.
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The aspect of a NC v. Alford plea has to do with subsequent evidence value for civil or even criminal liability. I would imagine that is State specific though?
 
Nathan said:
I sure there's a technical distinction but sounds like a basic "no contest" plea.
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As I understand it, an Alford Plea is when someone pleads guilty but doesn't admit to doing anything wrong. Sounds like exactly how the parents feel about it. They still show no remorse. The father was only emotional because he's going to jail.

I was reminded on the news today that the parents went to the school where the officials showed them the attached picture their son had drawn and they still refused to remove him from school. They deserve every year they serve in jail.

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I think the parents should definitely be held responsible. We've recently had a few cases in this country where the parents are indicted and convicted. Somebody has to be held responsible for this! And when a 6-year-old brings (his own!) gun to school, what else is there to do? Who is really responsible for the crime?

Anyone who gives a child a gun, as if it were a toy, or keeps their own gun where it is accessible to their children, is a moron. Maybe criminal prosecution will get through to someone else, and might actually save a few lives.
 
Don M. said:
I think parents should be held responsible for any criminal actions of their children.
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No I don't think so. Teenagers have minds of their own and make bad decisions even if they have loving sensible parents.
And most parents do the best they can.

This case is different because the parents directly enabled the teenagers actions and tried to get away with it afterwards ie they are judged by their actions in this, not by the fact alone of what their son did.
 
January said:
No I don't think so. Teenagers have minds of their own and make bad decisions even if they have loving sensible parents.
And most parents do the best they can.

This case is different because the parents directly enabled the teenagers actions and tried to get away with it afterwards ie they are judged by their actions in this, not by the fact alone of what their son did.
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Too many parents are oblivious period. And not just buying or giving their children a gun. I've seen several reports this year alone where a teen has killed several people driving a sports car either as a gift from or access to a parent's car.

14-15 is probably when teenagers really start going their own way good or bad. That's when the degree of responsibility should start shifting. But the parents provided the instrument of a crime knowing/with evidence there kid would commit one.

But I knew murder was a crime worthy of the death penalty at 15. Both the parents and society have failed to demonize school shooters or inner gang bangers instead making excuses for them.
 
January said:
If the parents directly enabled the behaviour as in this case then they are responsible for that.

But a blanket 'parents should be responsible for any criminal actions of their children' - I don't agree with that.
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exactly .... this by what i heard........ they were aware of his issues or ignored him as they had a lot of their own issues ...... but there are many good parents that really had no idea of how mentally ill their child was....... is this just so applauded because it was a gun involved?

MOST parents are destroyed after the fact ........BY a CIVIL suit based on child's actions not imprisoned as an accessory.....
perhaps this couple did not have enough assets to sue for ..... is criminal penalty only if they are now worth enough to sue?

what crimes are we going to do this?..... all crimes ..... deaths caused by an inexperienced driver ? so many options.

The burden of proof that parents knew would be enormous....
and we are told how full prisons are perhaps we can release actual criminals to make room for all the bad parents.
 

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