Scott Peterson’s Death Sentenced Overturned

@rgp
"Personally ? I say shoot him.......it saves taxpayer dollars."

Exactly. After a few public executions the crime rate would drop fast.
 

Lewkat said:
He would be wise to refuse going out into the general population for as Nathan pointed out, baby killers are not well received at all. There is, believe it or not in prison, socially accepted crimes. Killing kids and wives are not among them.
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Oh, I don’t know, BTK has it pretty good.

BTK
 

While it may be true that some federal prisons are called "Club Fed," state prisons are a very different story. Most of them are are dirty, dark, noisy, violent and overcrowded. As to "everything" being free, "everything" isn't. Toiletries and extra food and other niceties must be bought from the prison commissary. In state prisons if inmates want things like radio or TV, they have to buy them through the commissary, and what they can watch is restricted.

Anybody who thinks a stint in a state prison is a cakewalk never visited one.
 
Butterfly said:
While it may be true that some federal prisons are called "Club Fed," state prisons are a very different story. Most of them are are dirty, dark, noisy, violent and overcrowded. As to "everything" being free, "everything" isn't. Toiletries and extra food and other niceties must be bought from the prison commissary. In state prisons if inmates want things like radio or TV, they have to buy them through the commissary, and what they can watch is restricted.

Anybody who thinks a stint in a state prison is a cakewalk never visited one.
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Prison is a cakewalk, compared to what criminals put victims & their families through.
 
rgp said:
So few see that believe that.

There is a softness in this country for crime/criminals ...... that I just do not understand.
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It all started back in the ‘70’s. Prisoners started filing lawsuit after lawsuit for one thing and then another. It was either that their rights were being violated or they were being treated in humanely. Once the suits reached the Supreme Court, in many cases, the court sided with the prisoner. Add this with the different watch groups that watch over prisoner treatment and that’s how we got to where we are today.

Before and well before the ‘70’s, to some degree, prisoners in some prisons were not treated very well. We did need prison reform. However, like so many other things we try to fix, we may have gone above and beyond what needed fixing. At one time, prisons were supposed to train or rehabilitate prisoners to prepare them for release. Death row and prisoners serving life terms w/o parole really haven’t changed a lot.

The gang element is fully active in many prisons. Many prisoners have told me that to survive in prison, one must join a gang for protection. The Supermax prisons in Louisiana and Colorado are two of the worse prisons in this country for gang violence. I read in one of the monthly journals that police receive that gangs account for almost all of the violence and riots in prison. Years back, I watched as 4 guards tossed a cell or did a search. I was somewhat surprised when I saw how many weapons and contraband were confiscated. Normally, a cell will get tossed if a snitch drops a dime on another prisoner by telling a guard about another prisoner’s stash of weapons or drugs.

I really don’t think anyone here on this board would want to spend just one day in a state prison. County jails are a different animal. More relaxed and more lax by the guards. Usually, the worse thing that happens in a county jail is when fights break out.
 
911 said:
The gang element is fully active in many prisons. Many prisoners have told me that to survive in prison, one must join a gang for protection. The Supermax prisons in Louisiana and Colorado are two of the worse prisons in this country for gang violence. I read in one of the monthly journals that police receive that gangs account for almost all of the violence and riots in prison. Years back, I watched as 4 guards tossed a cell or did a search. I was somewhat surprised when I saw how many weapons and contraband were confiscated. Normally, a cell will get tossed if a snitch drops a dime on another prisoner by telling a guard about another prisoner’s stash of weapons or drugs.

I really don’t think anyone here on this board would want to spend just one day in a state prison. County jails are a different animal. More relaxed and more lax by the guards. Usually, the worse thing that happens in a county jail is when fights break out.
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Whoa....I haven't heard the phrase 'drop a dime' in decades

Yer right, 9
County jails aren't too bad.....bad enough, but not too bad
I've sat in a few in my youth
Other than a horrible waste of time, the time is doable
Prolly because nobody's there all that long....not more than a year
A year or more, and yer goin' further up river
 
If the US doesn't shift its prison focus from punishment to rehabilitation, we'll need far more prisons than we already have. People who'll eventually be released should be spending their time "inside" fruitfully in anticipation of that eventuality. Why are we not focusing on teaching them trades, getting them psychological help, and generally assisting them to become productive citizens?

All too often they leave prison more embittered, angry and less able to get along with society than they entered. Plus, to remain safe within prison they've had to align with a prison gang, often according to race or heritage. So they leave with this whole new "support system" behind them. The bad get worse and few improve.

As usual, the US is slow to learn, no matter how much evidence is put before us. We're a vengeful lot who then claim all manner of religious affiliation with loving, forgiving gods. Some of the states with the biggest churches have the highest rates of prisoners by population. Go figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...carceration_and_correctional_supervision_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_religiosity

p.s. I'm not in favor of releasing Scott Peterson or BTK, nor of extending them many privileges. However, the way any society treats its prisoners is a greater reflection on who that country is and what it holds dear than on who the prisoners are.

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The numbers are huge. I didn’t realize that California has over 200,000 prisoners in their cells.

Just think how much money the states could save if we didn’t need prisons.
 
911 said:
The numbers are huge. I didn’t realize that California has over 200,000 prisoners in their cells.

Just think how much money the states could save if we didn’t need prisons.
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Agreed. However, our rate per population puts us at 32nd.

On the other hand, if the US didn't have so many prisoners, how would that affect all those very lucrative, corporately owned, for-profit prisons?
As always in this country, follow the money and follow who's sliding some of the spoils into which politicians' pockets.
 
911 said:
It all started back in the ‘70’s. Prisoners started filing lawsuit after lawsuit for one thing and then another. It was either that their rights were being violated or they were being treated in humanely. Once the suits reached the Supreme Court, in many cases, the court sided with the prisoner. Add this with the different watch groups that watch over prisoner treatment and that’s how we got to where we are today.

Before and well before the ‘70’s, to some degree, prisoners in some prisons were not treated very well. We did need prison reform. However, like so many other things we try to fix, we may have gone above and beyond what needed fixing. At one time, prisons were supposed to train or rehabilitate prisoners to prepare them for release. Death row and prisoners serving life terms w/o parole really haven’t changed a lot.

The gang element is fully active in many prisons. Many prisoners have told me that to survive in prison, one must join a gang for protection. The Supermax prisons in Louisiana and Colorado are two of the worse prisons in this country for gang violence. I read in one of the monthly journals that police receive that gangs account for almost all of the violence and riots in prison. Years back, I watched as 4 guards tossed a cell or did a search. I was somewhat surprised when I saw how many weapons and contraband were confiscated. Normally, a cell will get tossed if a snitch drops a dime on another prisoner by telling a guard about another prisoner’s stash of weapons or drugs.

I really don’t think anyone here on this board would want to spend just one day in a state prison. County jails are a different animal. More relaxed and more lax by the guards. Usually, the worse thing that happens in a county jail is when fights break out.
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Prison gangs are a big problem in prisons in this state, too. Efforts to eradicate them have been unsuccessful. The best they have been able to do is to try and keep gangs separated from one another as much as possible.
 
911 said:
Oh, I don’t know, BTK has it pretty good.

BTK
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cbsnews.com said:
Even with the new privileges, Rader remains in the prison's most restrictive environment. He is let out of his 8-foot-by-10-foot cell only one hour a day, five days a week, to shower and exercise.
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He's in Ad Seg, not exactly the luxury accommodations that one would picture. However, I personally would rather serve time by myself than be part of the "fellowship" of General Pop.
 
911 said:
The numbers are huge. I didn’t realize that California has over 200,000 prisoners in their cells.
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Actually the count is about 166,617 which includes parolees, out-of-state and other private contract facilities.
https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/research/wp-content/uploads/sites/174/2020/08/Tpop1d200819.pdf

911 said:
Just think how much money the states could save if we didn’t need prisons.
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Well I can say that when I left California Department of Corrections & Rehabilitation 3 years ago the Department's budget was around 10 billion dollars. "if we didn't need prisons" As long as we have humans there will be a need for prisons, at some level.
 
JaniceM said:
That has never seemed to be the case.
"Violence breeds violence" certainly seemed to be an accurate statement during the olden days' so-called "necktie parties," etc.
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Because they [authorities] never really do it......

Bring back the electric chair, conviction of a felony / capital crime ? ....... in 30 days your sitting in it.

Crime rate will drop ! .......... jmo
 
Lewkat said:
He would be wise to refuse going out into the general population for as Nathan pointed out, baby killers are not well received at all. There is, believe it or not in prison, socially accepted crimes. Killing kids and wives are not among them.
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A common myth
rgp said:
Because they [authorities] never really do it......

Bring back the electric chair, conviction of a felony / capital crime ? ....... in 30 days your sitting in it.

Crime rate will drop ! .......... jmo
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With today's energy costs?
 
When I saw the news on Yahoo, first thing that I thought of was,

Scott is someone's son, brother, cousin or friend. I grieve for them, especially his mom, knowing she's helpless in all these and its like a wound that's being picked again. I cannot make choices for my kids and even good people make bad choices. We live with choices we make, good or bad.
 
@applecruncher: I can't believe it's been 17 years either!
@Becky1951 and @macgeek: Have you seen how long people stay on death row before (or if) they are executed?! I once read that it costs just as much to carry out the death penalty as it does to keep them there, as Applecruncher mentioned.
I was astonished when I read that he no longer faces execution but considering what we pointed out...how much does it matter? I would just hope that every day he spends in there is a tortuous hell for that evil POS.
 
hellomimi said:
Scott is someone's son, brother, cousin or friend. I grieve for them, especially his mom, knowing she's helpless in all these and its like a wound that's being picked again. I cannot make choices for my kids and even good people make bad choices. We live with choices we make, good or bad.
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Let's remember, this wasn't a teenager's impulse to slip a Snickers bar into his pocket at the local 7-11. At 30 years old he meticulously planned the murders, including concocting alibis in advance, researching tidal patterns and even defense lawyers. He killed his 8-1/2 months pregnant wife and the child she was carrying.

I'm not in favor of the death penalty. That said, I think Scott Peterson earned the sentence of being jailed for the rest of his life.

Like you, I feel deeply sorry for his and Laci's family. What a living nightmare.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
@applecruncher: I can't believe it's been 17 years either!
@Becky1951 and @macgeek: Have you seen how long people stay on death row before (or if) they are executed?! I once read that it costs just as much to carry out the death penalty as it does to keep them there, as Applecruncher mentioned.
I was astonished when I read that he no longer faces execution but considering what we pointed out...how much does it matter? I would just hope that every day he spends in there is a tortuous hell for that evil POS.
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I have read the same thing, Diva. The death penalty usually involves years of legal appeals, litigation, etc. Very expensive for the state, and the figures show that it usually costs more to execute a prisoner than to just allow him to rot in his cell.

For those who are bent on vengeance, punishment, and all that sort of thing, I would personally rather be executed than spend the rest of my life in a maximum security prison. Just think what that would be like.

Plus, after the discovery of DNA evidence, it turned out that there are hundreds of innocent people on death row. Many of them have been let go. I think this was particularly bad in Texas. Enough reason to abolish this barbaric practice once and for all.
 

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