Victoria
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I just got the COVID booster and Flu shot at the same time yesterday. Not taking any chances.
Second Covid Boosters?
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A real idiot is someone who is so desperate to bolster his shaky confidence in the vaccine, he insults those who don't make the same decision he makes.
I think it makes them feel safer psychologically. But I am fine with being unvaccinated. Vaccinated people can still catch, transmit, be hospitalized with, and die from covid despite all the boosters they take so what's the point 3 years into this?
Murrmurr
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Results of a study recently came out of Ohio University in Cleveland that shows the more vaccines you've had, the more at risk you are of contracting COVID.
The study was published online here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
At first I didn't get a second booster but then last month my doctor told me to get it. So I did on Dec. 30th. No side effects. I also got the Pneumonia vaccine and my arm hurt bad for a day but that's all. I got the omicron booster. I have a lot of preexisting conditions.
And all cause death for anyone who has been fully vaccinated, so I hear. I still feel the no product liability was all the warning I needed. How does a person ignore this?
ElCastor
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The wife and I are of course fully vaccinated and boosted. A year ago we attended a Christmas party and contracted what I suspect was the Omicron variant, but couldn’t get tested for 2 weeks, after the symptoms (the head cold from Hell) were gone, so the test was negative. Last fall it recurred. Now we had test kits and were positive. In both cases hospitalization was not necessary. Good for us, but millions of others, around the world, have died from the disease. When those in this thread make claims that those deaths were not Covid related and vaccination is unnecessary, or even harmful, I believe you are endangering your elderly audience. Disagree? Of course. Which of us is correct? Who knows, but why take the risk?Since I'm not getting them, there are more available for you.
Depends on which "risk" you decide is worse. The risk of an illness that most people survive, or the risk of harm from a useless vaccine.
Murrmurr
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Actually, I can answer that...
When the explanation and results of a medical study are published, scientists from all over the world replicate that study exactly to see if they get the same results, and they publish their studies. That's called peer review. Until it is peer-reviewed, the original study is called a Print.
If the benefactor who funds peer-review studies doesn't like the results of a print-study, the peer review study won't happen. If the original study is never peer-reviewed, it will remain a print, and never accepted by mainstream science. The print could sit in the public domain forever, but the results will be ignored and eventually forgotten.
Two of the doctors I watch who post medical lectures on YouTube, posted a video lecture about this study, and within 2 days, TPTB at YouTube made them take those videos down. The only explanation; Community Violation. A third doctor I watch published a lecture about this study yesterday, being extremely careful to use certain words and repeat his disclaimer, but he still might have to take it down. So it's similar to how it happens in real life.
In the senior community (55+) where I live, pretty much everyone without medical restrictions has had two vaccine shots, plus three boosters. Most of us have also had a flu shot. Sometimes the flu and covid shots are combined.
Many of us, myself included, have had mild cases of covid, not even as bad as the average cold. We are all glad we got inoculated. Haven't heard of anyone with the flu yet this year And since the covid vaccine came out, I haven't heard of any of the local people being hospitalized, or much less dying, of covid. The third booster seems to be very effective. I think it's just good common sense to make use of the latest boosters as soon as they are available.
About half of the people still wear masks when mingling with others. I usually don't any more most of the time, but I do when I'm going into a crowded place. Yesterday, I did wear one in Costco.
Many of us, myself included, have had mild cases of covid, not even as bad as the average cold. We are all glad we got inoculated. Haven't heard of anyone with the flu yet this year And since the covid vaccine came out, I haven't heard of any of the local people being hospitalized, or much less dying, of covid. The third booster seems to be very effective. I think it's just good common sense to make use of the latest boosters as soon as they are available.
About half of the people still wear masks when mingling with others. I usually don't any more most of the time, but I do when I'm going into a crowded place. Yesterday, I did wear one in Costco.
I went to the orthopedist the other day. It was kind of different. Normally the nurse takes you back and checks your weight. This time we go back and I was put in front of the temperature machine, which is now next to the scale. She did not even check my weight. I am not complaining, just surprised.
ElCastor
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Most may survive, but a lot don‘t . Current daily US deaths, 398.
”Covid deaths have leveled out below 500 deaths a day since the omicron wave subsided in early 2022. However, the tally of deaths has yet to approach the July 2021 low, when an average of fewer than 200 deaths a day were recorded.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-deaths-track-latest-trends-fatality-count-rcna61052
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It would make "good common sense" to get vaccinated......IF it offered protection and didn't have risks. From friends & family who were vaccinated - including some who were very sick -, I can honestly say it offered no protection whatsoever.
As you probably know, I also had a mild case of Covid without being vaccinated. If not for the positive test & 3 days of no sense of smell or taste, I would have passed it off as a chest cold.
ElCastor
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Sunny, just wanted you to know that you and I are on the same page in regard to Covid and the importance of getting vaccinated and boosted — flu included. The only way to go.
Teacher Terry
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I have had the two Covid vaccines and one booster in October, 2021. I don’t take anything that must be done yearly. I had Covid in June and it was very mild.
There are other venues though, @Murrmurr. I am beginning to believe vax and boosted folks must feel more secure not accepting the truth because it's everywhere these days.
I don't feel secure at all, whatever it is out there and I don't want to have it. I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I also get a flu shot every year. I have had the pneumonia, shingles vaccines and keep on top of when I need a tetanus and measles booster. If there are things we can do that might keeping us protected, I will take it.
I guess I have a new attitude after watching my husband go thru clinical trials with cancer. No, it did not cure him but his original prognosis was 8 months, we got 5 years and one month. It was a phase one trial, they had no idea if it would work in humans. If you want to look it up, you would find it by google, hedgehog cancer studies, GDC 0449. We were in Scottsdale AZ under Dr. Daniel Von Hoff, Dr. Glenn Weis and nurse clinician (from memory I think) was Laura Blaydorn For the most part he felt good and was able to continue to have a full life. It was about 3 months after he passed I was informed that the drug was FDA approved for gioblastoma, a brain cancer most common in children.
It did not cure but gave them a lot more good time with their families. Just based on that, I am happy to take anything FDA approved. If something happens health wise, I will be the first one lined up for clinical trials. Might not make a difference for me but will help someone else in the future. I would think that we would all step up to help medicine, science advance for out children and future generations. I don't like to share this information but the longer I think about it the more I realize the sacrifices of ordinary people who particpate in clinical trials make a difference for so many.
I guess I have a new attitude after watching my husband go thru clinical trials with cancer. No, it did not cure him but his original prognosis was 8 months, we got 5 years and one month. It was a phase one trial, they had no idea if it would work in humans. If you want to look it up, you would find it by google, hedgehog cancer studies, GDC 0449. We were in Scottsdale AZ under Dr. Daniel Von Hoff, Dr. Glenn Weis and nurse clinician (from memory I think) was Laura Blaydorn For the most part he felt good and was able to continue to have a full life. It was about 3 months after he passed I was informed that the drug was FDA approved for gioblastoma, a brain cancer most common in children.
It did not cure but gave them a lot more good time with their families. Just based on that, I am happy to take anything FDA approved. If something happens health wise, I will be the first one lined up for clinical trials. Might not make a difference for me but will help someone else in the future. I would think that we would all step up to help medicine, science advance for out children and future generations. I don't like to share this information but the longer I think about it the more I realize the sacrifices of ordinary people who particpate in clinical trials make a difference for so many.
Blessed, you make some very good points. Sorry to hear that your husband passed away, but it certainly sounds as if the medication in his clinical trial kept him alive a lot longer. (8 months vs. 5 years, wow!)
Obviously, science tells us that the covid vaccine makes a huge difference in survival rates. Thank God that those who are trying to deny reality haven't succeeded in this. But how sad, that so many people needlessly died of this disease, or endured months of terrible suffering hooked up to ventilators, having Long covid, etc., when it was so needless. All it took to keep them alive were a few harmless shots.
Obviously, science tells us that the covid vaccine makes a huge difference in survival rates. Thank God that those who are trying to deny reality haven't succeeded in this. But how sad, that so many people needlessly died of this disease, or endured months of terrible suffering hooked up to ventilators, having Long covid, etc., when it was so needless. All it took to keep them alive were a few harmless shots.
ElCastor
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If you are interested in the truth, here it is:
Vax’d and boosted folks feel more secure because they ARE more secure. Here is a link to an extensive discussion of the facts, facts that prove the Vax’d and fully boosted have good reason to feel more secure, and how those same facts are misused to falsely claim they are not. Their conclusion follows, but anyone who still is a doubter should read the whole study to better understand why vaxing and fully boosting is vital, particularly for the most endangered members of the Senior community.
“It would be a misrepresentation of the finding to say it is evidence against vaccination. This finding actually underscores the importance of staying up-to-date on boosters.
According to CDC, people ages 12 and older who have had a bivalent booster shot have a 15 times lower risk of death than an unvaccinated person.
CDC and other researchers have shown boosters are highly effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths, including among those most vulnerable to COVID-19. CDC now recommends the updated bivalent booster shot for everyone ages 5 year and above.”
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/
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Llynn
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I had the Pfizer booster late last year and had a horrible reaction. I lost control of my right leg for a few hours and suffered from hallucinations for several days after the shot. Never Pfizer again for me.