Security guards in schools. What do you think about it?

LadyEmeraude

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I would say in reply to this topic that security guards in schools
can at times safeguard against bullying.
 
Doesn't sound like security guards but instead student policing. Egad, the snowflakery!

I was bussed to an inner-city high school. There were no guards, just one part-time police liaison officer who was there primarily to crack down on drug sales and theft rings.

Bullying? Really? How about fights? Or worse yet getting mugged at knifepoint on a school trip to Chicago?
 

Local private schools have gun-toting security guards on their campuses, not sure about public schools. It's a very unsettling sight.

My opinion is that it's an poor attempted solution to the much larger issue, i.e., the gun problem in this country.

It's akin to countries requiring women to wear burkas, not permitting them outside the house without chaperones, making it illegal for them to have eye contact with men who aren't close relatives, and otherwise restricting their actions because of fears they'll "tempt" men.
Men being unable to control themselves is the obvious problem, but subduing the women is their convoluted solution.

Same thing here. Rather than dealing with the proliferation of guns and violence in this country, let's put metal detectors at entrances to every venue. Yeah, that'll do it. Not.
 
George1959 said:
In Germany we don't have guns, but nevertheless there is violence at schools with knives. Strict gun laws won't solve the problem of violence.
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I'm betting Germany doesn't worry about mass knife attacks killing classrooms of five and six year olds plus teachers and admins.

Nothing completely solves the problem of human violence, but sad to say the US is a real-life example that a population armed to the teeth will worsen it.
 
Oh how I remember being in integrated schools in Rochester, New York in the 1950's. We white kids went to school with black kids and never had any problems. I remember trading baseball cards with a black kid. He liked the Red Sox and I of course was a Yankee fan. For whatever reason, the girls that I thought were the prettiest and least prettiest girls in the class, were both black. Why? I don't know. Yes I do. Back then, I didn't see colors. Kids were kids. We both had a head, 2 eyes, legs, ears, arms and feet. Probably the only thing that bothered me was being in a classroom with a Red Sox fan. :D
 
When I was teaching 30+ years ago, and when my children were of school age, school grounds were never locked. It was possible to wander around on weekends or walk your dog on the school oval.

Then there was a rash of school breakins and vandalism that necessitated expensive repairs. It got so bad that the schools began to be enclosed with sturdy and high lockable fences. Today, while the children are in class or out on the playground any visitors must buzz the office to open the gate. Vandalism and arson are unheard of today.

Unfortunately Jewish schools and their students have become targets of hate attacks. These schools are protected by armed guards.

I cannot remember any instance of a school shooting. I do remember one instance where a female teacher and six (seven?) girls were kidnapped for ransom of $1,000,000. Their ages ranged from six to eleven. It was a one teacher school in rural Victoria.

Story here: In 1972, six students and their teacher were abducted from their Victorian classroom.
 
Backpack elimination laws in public would be a great start.
Hunt, Hike a park sure. Ya can't carry a knife 4" long or box cutters.

Ya just auto shoot someone with a limp / concealed in the pant leg AR15.
Then ya got the kids whizzing up the street 20 mph on their electric stuff.

Of course shoot M games on Cell phones should only occur at home.
If the person is walking the cell phone should bleep discontinue until ya stop.
Then ya have the millions of drivers, cell phone on dash them talking 24 /7's.

Like what's happening, yep, I so bizzy. "You know what I'm Saying ?
Yup Martial Law, gotta have it.

An No 1000 kids walking out of school Like a herd of cattle, blocking the sidewalks
and crossings, guards hands up! Release em 2 at a time to protect each other with sticks.

Go west young man, the wild west was a safer place except near the saloons.
Didn't need them drunks and Gamblers, Toss em off the Mississippi Queen!

Back in the 1950 parents worried about their kids being abducted. Never new a paper
boy or girl worrying about it though. They rode their bikes fast. Few ride today. No paper route jobs for em.
Sure the Crazies delivered the papers then. Come rain, Sleet or Snow the papers got thru.

Now Microsoft ----------------------------------------------------------------!
Tells ya what the news is. Many can't stand to be told what to do. It makes em crazy!

You know never answer the door after 6 pm. You'll most likely get clubbed.
 
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To answer the original question, I think it's a sad reflection of how our society has deteriorated. When I drive by the local Jr. High and see the iron fence around it, I feel bad for the kids. Something has changed us and I'm not sure what. There have always been guns, but not so many crazy people using them on innocent people. How have we failed? Now we live in fear. We're afraid to let our kids walk to school. They don't have the freedom we grew up with. How will this affect them?
 
StarSong said:
Local private schools have gun-toting security guards on their campuses, not sure about public schools. It's a very unsettling sight.

My opinion is that it's an poor attempted solution to the much larger issue, i.e., the gun problem in this country.

... Rather than dealing with the proliferation of guns and violence in this country, let's put metal detectors at entrances to every venue. Yeah, that'll do it. Not.
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HermitHogan said:
True, but it would solve the problem of mass shootings. And when those shootings are mass murders, it almost always involves an AR-15 style rifle.
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Making guns illegal won't stop smugglers from bringing them into the US, it will increase the smuggling of illegal guns.

Again, the problem isn't guns. The 2 main reasons for school shootings is irresponsible gun-owning parents who don't store them properly, and the US's inadequate (even incompetent) mental health system.

Most school shooters are young kids. Making them "famous" on TV and in online news reports doesn't help, but idk what will solve that.
 
JBR said:
I hope it never comes to considering the need to do that up here. So far as I know, it doesn't exist yet here.
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You are very fortunate. They had security guards in my son's school and ultimately had to bring in the police. I was forced school him at home to prevent him, from getting murdered. He would ask the kids why they were attending school if they weren't interested in studying and they would proudly respond with: "I come to school to fight!!"

When I visited Principle's office, it was full of kids with belligerently smug defiant faces sitting waiting to be processed for misbehavior and police cars were parked outside the school entrance due to a recent serious altercation. Worse than a prison or even an insane asylum, since in those places, the weirdoes are under control, while in these "schools" they run rampant in the hallways, in the restrooms, and even in the classrooms themselves. This has resulted in maiming and even in deaths.

 
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jujube said:
My sort-of stepson (the Spousal Equivalent's son) is a county deputy, who currently is a school resource officer at a middle school. Believe me, they're needed....
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The sad part is that this attitude towards school is predominantly a USA cultural characteristic, since kids in countries such as Japan and China go to school to study.
 
Grampa Don said:
To answer the original question, I think it's a sad reflection of how our society has deteriorated. When I drive by the local Jr. High and see the iron fence around it, I feel bad for the kids. Something has changed us and I'm not sure what. There have always been guns, but not so many crazy people using them on innocent people. How have we failed? Now we live in fear. We're afraid to let our kids walk to school. They don't have the freedom we grew up with. How will this affect them?
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No big mystery. The constant exposure to violence in their video games leads them to consider human life as cheap and violent behavior as being cool.
 
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