Seniors, Are You For or Against the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare)?

Are You For or Against the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare)?

  • I'm For the Affordable Care Act

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • I'm For the Affordable Care Act, but Would Prefer Universal Insurance

    Votes: 14 41.2%
  • I'm Against the Affordable Care Act and Universal Insurance

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • Total voters
    34
Thanks Oakapple for your perspective. Many of us admire your achievement especially when we consider that the NHS uses up less than 10% of your Gross Domestic Product whereas health care in the US costs us nearly 18% of our GDP.

Why do you suppose that is? It's because instead of following a National Healthcare program and giving Medicare to all... we have allowed the Big Insurance companies and Big Pharma to rape the American people with exorbitant costs, and denial of services, in order to provide windfall profits to the private companies and their CEO's .. Medicare only has a 3% overhead and is very efficient.. Private Insurance companies have had as much as 30% overhead or more and are far less efficient..
 

Every US citizen has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life means that they can get medical care, good medical care. Even if a person is poor they should still get equal medical care. I don't think access to doctors should be only for the elite or even just for the middle class. There are people who are less fortunate and they, too, are citizens and have the right to access to good health and life.

Not according to those who's only purpose in life is to repeal the ACA..
 
The Republicans are masters of demagoguery. Not only are they pretty good at it, they do it all the time 24/7. Tell people the same lie over and over again and they come to believe anything.

The Republicons have been bringing up a ss catastrophe up for decades and it's mainly to show their constituents they are thinking about the budget and controlling spending. I remember hearing this from the pundits from the Contract On America days with Newt & company. Even health care when Hillary had her committee on health care.

But just like ss nationalized health care would need funding, more funding the pre ACA days, best thing to do besides some cost controls & regulations is slap a minimal flat tax like 50 dollars on every single tax PAYING American and work on a separate unassociated health/clinic system alternative. Let the old private insurance or self pay system exist as alternatives as well. But taxing or rigging a the system to scarf up money to pay the old school system is fool hardy because it's simply throwing money and not solutions at the problem ie an insurance based system.
 

I see the US mandatory health system to be nothing but a government controlled health insurance system. Why did we have to hire so many more US government people to handle this system. Their cost and wages are all because of this new mandatory government health system and I don't believe all that support is included in the cost for the medical system, and it should be all included if looking for facts. Every governments cost for the program must be included in the total cost for the government demanded and run medical system. Only then can any real comparisons on who is gaining and how much it is costing. For many years that I am aware of the poor could get medical care and free if need be. As long as the governments increased size to manage health care is ignored we will never have an honest way to compare before and after benefits for all.
 
Too many still cannot afford insurance coverage because they make too much for a subsidy but don't make enough to buy insurance.

http://news.yahoo.com/uninsured-under-aca-millions-americans-cant-afford-coverage-201854260.html

This particular problem is an INSURANCE industry problem. But you need a cut off for subsidies somewhere. They need to come up with something just for children and not just the parents can insure them until 26. Most states have cheaper insurance just for kids.
 
Too many still cannot afford insurance coverage because they make too much for a subsidy but don't make enough to buy insurance.

http://news.yahoo.com/uninsured-under-aca-millions-americans-cant-afford-coverage-201854260.html

This particular problem is an INSURANCE industry problem. But you need a cut off for subsidies somewhere. They need to come up with something just for children and not just the parents can insure them until 26. Most states have cheaper insurance just for kids.

Just for the kids? Not their parents? So what happens to the kids when the parents get sick and perhaps die due to not having healthcare. Healthcare is a RIGHT not a privilege.. EVERY single American citizen is entitled to it no matter what their income of circumstances are.
 
The entire Obama care health program needs reviewed and many corrections or changes made. Fire thousands of the new government workers and allow the medical system to go back to running its own business without political interventions. This country would do better without half the government workers we now have that live off the taxes taken from those that are working to keep their families or businesses in good shape.

Health care was a right prior to the Obama care stuff. Anyone, with or without health insurance could get taken care of by walking into a open hospital emergency room and asking for help. First came help and then asked for ability to pay. Even with health insurance that I have had prior to the Obama care, I and my wife have both used the emergency room for care on weekends when doctors offices are not opened. We got signed in as we entered, each case was then given an urgency level and we were told to have a seat or immediately taken in for an exam. As I see it, nothing better has come from the Obama care, as that still seems the way to get service on a week end or holiday. Immediate service for the real sick ones, slower admission for the ill with insurance but not emergency, and for those without insurance and not an emergency, a longer wait till a doctor is free to take them in. Not much changed that I can see before or now, without Obama care and with Obama care, but now we are paying thousands more government workers to do their unnecessary jobs that private businesses were doing before.

So we first need to rid Obama from the mix and then get a decent government, Democrat or Republican, that can see beyond the wish for all to be under socialism rather than a free republic format, and lower the government costs and debts and get the Republic of the Unites States back into business of doing the peoples wishes rather than demanding that the people all follow a messed up governments ideas and demands.
 
I am For Obamacare....because this program is going to screw up our entire medical system to the point where we will have little choice but to go to some form of a SP-UHC system...similar to that which most of the rest of the Western world uses. For years, our health care has been held hostage by the Drug and Insurance companies, and the AMA. Money and Profit are the driving forces, and patient care is secondary. I Don't like Big Government, but the experiences of other nations clearly show that Health Care is One area that demands a more "socialist" approach. We pay twice as much for health care as any other nation, and the WHO ranks the US around 35th in terms of quality of care and value received for our dollars.

Most of the provisions of Obamacare were written by the Health Care Industry Lobbists, and it does a excellent job of protecting their profits. Health care costs are already the single largest expenditure in our Federal Budget, and Obamacare will drive those costs even higher. I predict that within 10 years, our system will be such an unaffordable mess that we will have little choice but to adopt many of the measures that have worked out so well for other nations.
 
Just for the kids? Not their parents? So what happens to the kids when the parents get sick and perhaps die due to not having healthcare. Healthcare is a RIGHT not a privilege.. EVERY single American citizen is entitled to it no matter what their income of circumstances are.

Right now the only affordable solution to find a way to deliver health care to children. That's one of the things many of these states are trying to prioritize and it's more obtainable than universal health care.
 
I am For Obamacare....because this program is going to screw up our entire medical system to the point where we will have little choice but to go to some form of a SP-UHC system...similar to that which most of the rest of the Western world uses. For years, our health care has been held hostage by the Drug and Insurance companies, and the AMA. Money and Profit are the driving forces, and patient care is secondary. I Don't like Big Government, but the experiences of other nations clearly show that Health Care is One area that demands a more "socialist" approach. We pay twice as much for health care as any other nation, and the WHO ranks the US around 35th in terms of quality of care and value received for our dollars.



Most of the provisions of Obamacare were written by the Health Care Industry Lobbists, and it does a excellent job of protecting their profits. Health care costs are already the single largest expenditure in our Federal Budget, and Obamacare will drive those costs even higher. I predict that within 10 years, our system will be such an unaffordable mess that we will have little choice but to adopt many of the measures that have worked out so well for other nations.


Except... going into year TWO of the ACA... all the things that the critics WARNED would happen... are NOT happening. In fact.. Obamacare is WORKING. People are getting insured.. Lives are being saved. Healthcare cost increases are slowing.. There are no death panels. But I agree Don M. I would like to see a USC system. I'm afraid this may have been the best that could be gotten considering the opposition to any sort of healthcare reform.
 
Well, fortunately for you, it seems to be a better deal than you had before. Not so for me and the wife as we both pay more now for less than we had before in a company paid plan for the retirees that got put aside for this so called better way of doing things.

We have had a well run medical system and folks that needed special care could come to the US for these better services and did do just that. Not so sure now as many doctors have said they will just shut down private health and go to work for agencies or retire. I do not see why we, the US, should have to lower our health system to match what other countries are doing.

Low income, poor folks, could get medical care anytime prior to the Obama care just by entering a hospital emergency service area. Which was the only way I or my wife can get service anyway as doctors are not available on weekends normally. Enter the emergency room, sign in, get a quick interview, and be assigned to emergency or lessor position. After the check up they ask for financing and if you have it that is great. If you do not have it they still will care for you to a level where they can release you. Both the wife and I have had to use this for help on weekends. I see no improvement with the Obama care and likely some degradations are likely, as I mentioned above. My new Obama care is less than I had before and costing more.

I think we have a long way till Obama care gets fully implemented and then challenged and corrected to make it a fair way for all. I prefer to see government over-site but privately run by the medical folks Then we might be able to get rid of thousands of government added positions to manage this unmanageable mess Obama care created.
 
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The employer based plan that you lost was a decision made by your employer and follows a trend towards lower employer participation that has been going on long before the ACA came into existence. The ACA has provisions that encourage employer based plans, but since employers would rather improve their bottom line the ACA provides for the millions of Americans left on their own.
 
You are so right. Glad you are happy with BIG GOVERNMENT running everything. We got along for over 200 years with small federal government but now we hear that we can no longer allow that to happen. Such a sad situation that is for the US to have to overcome and get smaller government and get smarter ways of operating that hiring thousands to help spend our taxes and then telling us we are too dumb to live our own lives our way. Independence worked fine till the last fifty years and now is looked down on. As I said in my previous post, we had a fine medical system as it was and it was taking care of those needing help. So far I see only higher cost and fewer services from what we had prior. Our medical system was working well, new ideas could have helped but never into a full blown government run, costly system, that does less for more money. All this money wasted on government jobs and not really adding one good thing to our medical system at all.

Why has the medical system gotten so costly? Far too much government interference with free enterprise and insisting on costly nonsense to please the government idea that they need to control everything and claim credit for improving things when actually things are getting to be far to overwhelmed with non producing people watching to see if their rules are getting done properly. How about he patients getting more medical attention with fewer non medical folks watching. Costs may go down.

Obvious that I do not want ever larger government actions that just cost money and do not really fix anything. The US will end up just like Europe, all government and nothing great being done by anyone. Let the people of the US continue to run things and get the government back down to maybe half he size it is today, or even less.

What happened to the doctors prior to all this government meddling came on? Now the doctors have to have non medical staff on hand to help with all this recently created paper work. I as a patient don't get to know anything till I get my report from those government medical folks. Can barely figure it all out as to what was done, why, and costs, and what I might owe.

I would rather we could go back to a more direct system of personal wants and needs and get the federal government clear out of the picture. Our local and state governments would be enough meddling in my life, and likely a lot better, and lessor cost than having so many thousands hired to spend my taxes and do little for the individuals.

Yes, a long rant. And it is asked for by those that think our federal government must be ever bigger and ever more busy in our personal lives. Closer and closer to full out socialism, one step short of communism.
 
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Small government has failed, and those who insist on keeping things the way they were hundreds of years ago, and just holding onto the past and not acknowledging that things have changed since then.

The middle class citizen has had declining wages and higher health care costs with small government, it has only benefited the chosen few who are already wealthy or large corporations. There had been increasing unemployment over the years too.

The system needs to change so the middle class doesn't all become too poor to even own their own homes, while the rich get richer and move all their money to other countries as tax shelters, and move their businesses overseas also. That's my take on things, it something isn't working for America, then it needs to be changed.
 
Small government has failed, and those who insist on keeping things the way they were hundreds of years ago, and just holding onto the past and not acknowledging that things have changed since then.

The middle class citizen has had declining wages and higher health care costs with small government, it has only benefited the chosen few who are already wealthy or large corporations. There had been increasing unemployment over the years too.

The system needs to change so the middle class doesn't all become too poor to even own their own homes, while the rich get richer and move all their money to other countries as tax shelters, and move their businesses overseas also. That's my take on things, it something isn't working for America, then it needs to be changed.

Small governments hundreds of years ago? How about just fifty years ago, when most of this socialism and such really got started? Prior to recent years we all had jobs and pay was fair. Now not so many get to work and pay is no longer fair as before. Doctors were much cheaper then and not restricted to only certain insurances as they are these days. Walk in, pay your $20 and you were done. Now they don't want to touch you till we review and sign several places, and we still have to pay more than before. Until Obama care you could always walk into a emergency room and get taken care of if rich or poor. Not sure if you can still go that today. would hope so as that is real medical care, not Obama care.

Your second statement is true today. Some, not all, of the unemployment of the recent 6 years, beginning in the last two years of Bush's administration while Democrats held both houses and started wasting money like crazy, from 7 trillion on up to 10 trillion debt. Prior to that the Clinton and Bush administrations had held the debt down into the 7 trillion level, even with two wars going on. Several efforts were made to try to redo the tax codes under Obama but so far nothing has been allowed to get to Obama due to the far left Senate controlled by a twisted person. The wealthy had no reason to worry about lower or higher medical cost or if the poor could get medical care less expensively than now, all this has become a politically involved and has not proven to be a good financial method at all. Again it is the low income folks that have taken a beating and the middle income folks getting the worst of all.

Yes the system needs to change, we need to get to where the states once again run things for their own situations and get away from the one size fits all socialistic way of living. We need to go back prior to the ways that the 1960's and 1970's has started and continued to push. We need to get our taxes back to where everyone is involved, no more of this 60% of us no longer pay much if anything at all.

To think that much of the US needs to run as they do in Europe is wrong. The US has been a good example of how to best run a government until recent years. Now we seem to be in a rush to change to the European ways and have high taxes, high cost, higher unemployment and higher medical costs due to new medical insurance demands and a no longer accepted or even considered, respect for our Constitution. Now it is time for the current emperor to try to guide us through his last two years with some Congress folks that may want decision run through Congress for authorizations as they should have been for the last 6 years.

Hopefully, the next election will place a new president in that is aware of the purpose of the Constitution and how this government is supposed to be run through the use of the Congress and not through lots of Presidential demands and not debated or considered actions of far too much of the current Presidents ways. Maybe we should also put a limit on the number of years our Congress people can stay and work. Maybe some agreed on number for their total years of 20 or 30 years and an age limit of 75 or so for top age? No large retirements for our Congress people, let it all be on years of service, starting rather low and slowly climbing. similar to those in industry. We do need change but definitely not into socialism, or worse, communism.

And I am not a far right politically either. I am more of a centered type, some liberal stuff and some conservative stuff, but definitly want to see the US run within it Constitution guidelines and not so far off as the current government is running.
 
I'm against the Universal Care Act because it doesn't even address the problem; I'm for universal health care.

Insurance companies are a huge part of why health care is so expensive and all this act does is hand them mandatory customers and doesn't even look at the issues of quality or cost control. Frankly, health care needs to be regulated the way utilities are.
 
I don't quite get all the praises for Medicare. I have been forced on it instead of keeping my employer provided health insurance due to being retired for more than a year on disability. I do get to keep that but it is secondary to Medicare and covers what they don't. Thank my former union that I have it secondary because Medicare doesn't cover thousands of dollars of my health care every year. Medicare is only good if you are not in poor health and don't need a lot of care. What the patient is expected to pay out of pocket is ridiculous and they charge $100 a month for this non-coverage. Thankfully, my former employers adds it back into my pension from them because my union negotiated health care in retirement. If I had only medicare, I flat out wouldn't be seeing my doctors -- and I have left heart valve problems, an aortic aneurysm, IBS, 7 colon polyps removed this year, 9 last, crippling/degenerative arthritis caused by pseudo gout, and chronic pain. Me not seeing my doctors is not a good idea but if I had only Medicare, I just plain couldn't afford to. I'm pissed that I have to have them primary and wish I could just keep my secondary insurance, which is private and covers all but small copays for a smaller premium than Medicare. If Medicare is how the government coverage would be then I don't want to see it happen.

It seems amazing to me, as an outsider, to know that lots of people in the US don't want the plan, it seems to be the best thing that President Obama has done for the country.We have the NHS here [National Health Service] which means that we don't pay for the GP visit, or any hospital surgery or appointment at all, and for the over 60's free prescriptions as well.If we want to see a private consultant and then have a procedure done privately [and more quickly than the NHS can provide] then we have to pay for that, and a lot do.Nor do we pay for an ambulance, or anything at all. Of course we all do pay.... in National Insurance payments which are taken from salaries at source, like income tax, but it's all very affordable.If you can't work or are retired, then you don't pay NI at all.

Except Obama care is nothing like your NHS and neither is Medicare, you lucky stiff. I wish we had that here!
 
IMO healthcare should be a right (like education) not a privilege, and I am extremely grateful that I am growing old with the NHS.
 
I can remember the days when doctors made house calls, drove a Buick, and lived in the same neighborhood as most of their patients. Back in those days, we had a "Medical Profession". Now, we have a "Health Care Industry", and the First Priority of any industry is to Make Money. 7 out of the top 10 highest paid careers are in the Medical arena. Then, when you add in all the Insurance and Drug company BS, it's easy to see why we pay twice as much for health care as nations which have adopted a Universal Care system. Now, with the advent of the ACA, and even Medicare/Medicaid, many of the doctors are trying to weasel out of taking patients under those plans. The AMA lobbies the universities hard to limit the number of Med Students so as to keep the supply of doctors low, and thus stifle anything remotely resembling Competition.

The ACA does Nothing to reduce costs...sure it offers some of those in the low income brackets a "subsidy", but WHERE is that subsidy really coming from? It is just adding to this nations already ridiculous national debt, and protecting the profits of our Health Care industry. When the Lobbyists wrote this legislation, they made sure that their special interests were well protected, and few, if any, in Congress ever read this bill before they signed it. One of the Few things Nancy Pelosi ever said that was true was when she urged Congress to pass the bill, "so we can find out what is in it".

It will take a few years for this ACA to rear its ugly head completely, but I feel quite sure that by the end of this decade, health care will become so expensive that only the upper crust can afford full care, and our government will have accumulated so much extra debt, that it will have no choice but to begin a serious move towards a SP-UHC system.
 
Early reports are showing that cost rates are slowing, the government is saving billions over the long term. Room for improvement, yes, but nothing like what the GOP try to sell the public.


[h=1]Upside of Affordable Care Act: Health care costs down Savings estimated in billions of dollars[/h]Not long ago, the airwaves were filled with predictions that health-care reform would be a disaster for taxpayers and consumers. That hasn't happened.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, will cut the federal budget deficit by $100 billion despite adding health coverage for about 10 million people, by federal estimates.

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The overall federal deficit has dropped dramatically. It's now projected to total nearly $5 trillion less by 2020 than was expected just four years ago. Maybe more importantly, Van de Water says the ACA is improving the health of the vital Medicare program, which is threatened by an influx of millions of baby boomers.
"Medicare will continue to need adjustments, but it's clear health reform has made Medicare's prospects better, not worse," he says.

the rest:
http://www.thecharlottepost.com/new...f-affordable-care-act-health-care-costs-down/

 
I say wait and see what reality brings us. So far all these Obama care predictions have proven to be false and misleading.
 
"Early reports are showing that costs rates are slowing".

It is Far Too Early to predict just what the ACA is going to do to long term costs. Any predictions, at this point, especially those coming from the Administration, are "iffy", at best. Like any other government initiatives, those in charge will Always try to put lipstick on a pig. Come back in 2 or 3 years, and we will have a far better idea of where rates and costs are heading. Then, there is the upcoming Republican controlled Congress, which will be doing everything in their power to torpedo the bulk of this legislation. Beginning shortly into 2015, we will see Congress consumed with this issue.

The nations entitlement programs, including Medicare and Social Security will be coming under increasing pressure, as our retiree population continues to expand. Without increased funding for these vital programs, their days, under present conditions, are numbered. The First real test will come sometime in 2016 when the SSDI program is slated to go into the Red. How that program is handled will speak volumes for the future of All of our entitlement programs.

The biggest "bellwether" for health care costs, IMO, is prescription drug costs. We pay 2 or 3 times what the costs in Canada or Mexico are, for the same drugs. This is easily explained. First, it seems that half the TV commercials are "Ask Your Doctor" ads for these drugs. The drug companies add the hundreds of millions of dollars for these ads to the cost of the drugs. Then, when the side effects of these drugs begin to start killing people, and the lawyers take over with their Class Action lawsuits, the drug companies have to have created a "slush fund" of hundreds of millions to pay for the lawsuits. Therefore, when someone in the US gets "coaxed" into taking drugs, they are paying not only for the drugs, but also the advertising and legal fees, ahead of time. If the ACA was "Really" concerned with lowering medical costs in this nation, this would be a Real good place to start. However, given the millions of dollars the drug companies, and the Lawyers, donate to the political campaigns, any action in Congress to reduce this massive Scam, is highly unlikely.

So....just wait. Sometime in the latter half of this decade, we will have a far better picture of just where Health Care in this nation is headed. Personally, I am not optimistic. The next few years would be a Real Good time for people to concentrate on keeping healthy and utilizing diet/exercise/lifestyle changes, etc., so as to avoid becoming mired in our Health Care Industry.
 
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