Seniors, Are You For or Against the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare)?

Are You For or Against the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare)?

  • I'm For the Affordable Care Act

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • I'm For the Affordable Care Act, but Would Prefer Universal Insurance

    Votes: 14 41.2%

  • I'm Against the Affordable Care Act and Universal Insurance

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Total voters
    34
BobF said:
I say wait and see what reality brings us. So far all these Obama care predictions have proven to be false and misleading.
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It seems to me Bob that the predictions that have proven false are those offered by Republicans who predicted failure and calamity for everything connected to Obama Care.
 

To those that seem to think Obama care is successful, you need to wait till it is all begun and then wait for some history to develop. Right now neither has happened so no reason to be patting yourself on the back yet. For Obama, our national debt has risen from the 10 trillion Pelosi and Reid left him to near 20 trillion today. Pretty sad way for anyone to treat this nation and all the people that must pay those bills.

One thing I noticed just today is the 50% rise in the cost of one of my medical types of tooth paste, it went from $12 a tube to now $19 dollars a tube. It has been $12 dollars a year for years but now this past year it jumped by 50%. Has our new Obama care caused this? I wonder why? Could it be part of the Obama care interference with products? What else could be causing such a rise in a medical suggested product. I am going to check and see why it is so expensive if I can. Maybe I just don't need a medically suggested product as badly as the doctor thought.
 
Jackie22 said:
Early reports are showing that cost rates are slowing, the government is saving billions over the long term. Room for improvement, yes, but nothing like what the GOP try to sell the public.


Upside of Affordable Care Act: Health care costs down Savings estimated in billions of dollars

Not long ago, the airwaves were filled with predictions that health-care reform would be a disaster for taxpayers and consumers. That hasn't happened.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, will cut the federal budget deficit by $100 billion despite adding health coverage for about 10 million people, by federal estimates.

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The overall federal deficit has dropped dramatically. It's now projected to total nearly $5 trillion less by 2020 than was expected just four years ago. Maybe more importantly, Van de Water says the ACA is improving the health of the vital Medicare program, which is threatened by an influx of millions of baby boomers.
"Medicare will continue to need adjustments, but it's clear health reform has made Medicare's prospects better, not worse," he says.

the rest:
http://www.thecharlottepost.com/new...f-affordable-care-act-health-care-costs-down/
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The government may be saving billions of dollars. Your average citizen isn't. My daughter's been forced on to insurance. She makes $250-$300 a week and as of the January 1st will be paying $70 a week for health insurance. I think they're making the numbers look good by passing on the costs to the working poor. No, she can't get the subsidy or buy the public option because her employer offers health care and if she doesn't sign up for it, she is fined. She will be fined for 2014 even though she was changing jobs and missed the cut-off date for enrolling in her employer's health plan.

There are things your government isn't telling you.
 

The long term success of the ACA is predicated on getting large numbers of young healthy people, making a decent wage, to sign up, so as to bring more money into the system, and minimize the expenses. Instead, the majority of those signing up are the poorer people who require substantial subsidizes to get insurance. Many of the better off young are foregoing this insurance, and opting instead to pay the penalties. Without the subsidies, and lacking employer coverage, these young people face costs in the many thousands per year to get health insurance...even under the ACA exchanges. For them, the penalties, and the occasional out of pocket expenses if they do need to see a doctor are quite a bit less than buying insurance. So the Net gain, or in this case, "reduction" in health care costs, is going to be very difficult to attain. It may all work out in the long run, but I seriously doubt it. I see nothing but continuing rising costs for health care that far outstrip inflation and wages....no matter what kind of spin the government tries to put on this program.
 
That bit about doing her own medical payments is exactly what my daughter has chosen to do. She went a bought a insurance for serious problems that require hospitalizations and extreme treatments but for daily doctoring she does her own or pays the bills. She claims it to be much easier for her to afford than this Obama care stuff. We will have too wait and see if the new Congress will help to fix some of the problems that began with the incomplete start of the Obama care we now live with. Or maybe we have to wait and see if the next President will have a different view about really having a helpful health care plan that helps all the low income folks and allows the rest of the people to do as they can for themselves. People working should have their own choices and those not working need a helping hand, more like they were getting prior to Obama care. A friend of mine got a new heart through some mechanism as he certainly had not been working prior to that event. Now with Obama care in place do we still have those old mercy missions working to pay for what the person could not? If so, why the big need for Obama care as it is now going?
 
SeaBreeze said:
They wouldn't.
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My first instinct is no, I would never vote republican, but then the democrats are for abortion which I detest as much as I detested what hitler did. Isn't there anyone out there that is "for" all the right things, or does it always have to be the lesser of two evils:(
 
Why not just vote for the person whether they are Republican, Democrat, or independent. Just voting for the party is a big mistake and not the way our forefathers had set it up at all.
 
BobF said:
Why not just vote for the person whether they are Republican, Democrat, or independent. Just voting for the party is a big mistake and not the way our forefathers had set it up at all.
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Oh I agree, and that's what I've been doing, but it's hard to find someone I really feel good about voting for. Everyone here knows I don't know a lot about politics, so I get focused on the biggest issues, the ones everyone talks about (newsies & people, candidates). No, I haven't voted for anyone just because of their "party" for a long time. I guess a lot of people do, but are they like me voting for the lesser of two evils, or just trust the BIG "R" or the BIG "D":(
 
How can anybody be for or against anything they can not possibly understand.
How many pages is it?
Don't forget, "We have to pass it before we know what is in it".

How many can look me in the eye and say Yes I know and understand all about it.
If I have a question about it can anyone give me the page the paragraph and the line that I can find the answer.
 
I doubt if any of the normal voters know much about who or what they are voting for. They can, at least, determine from the debates and from the election releases, at least a bit of the outline for the subject or the person being run for. The published, and finalized opinion and release will not come till well after the election, just like Obama care has done, and is still doing. It is for us, the electors to choose the general ideas and then hope the elected will do as the population has asked them to do. Obama care was a good example of very improper ideas of actions and such. As I have read the Obama care has never all been put together in clear and proper fashion and is still evolving. Just vote for your very own position and don't sit their and wait for the party to tell you how to vote. If they agree with you then vote your way, but it they disagree, study and agree or disagree. That is the voters job in an election.
 
Be patient...we Will get there...And, when the full effects of Obamacare kick in, and are fully understood, the ACA will accelerate the process. I fully expect a serious move towards SP-UHC by the end of this decade.
 
Here's what I know.... The ACA is helping my son finally get the care he desperately needs.. and he would not get if it were not for the Medicaid expansion... despite his affliation with the VA... there are some things they cannot provide.. So.. For those who think my son, a veteran, should not be helped... I have two words... and they aren't "terribly sorry"..
 
I'm sure there are some people being helped by the ACA, but the Overall, Long Term success of this program is yet to be determined. As of today, the reimbursement to physicians/hospitals, under both Medicare and Medicaid, is being reduced by a couple of percentage points. Already, there is a growing number of doctors who are Not accepting new patients under these programs, and any cuts in their payments will only add to that number. That, coupled with a growing shortage of doctors being graduated from Med School, and entering the field as Family Doctors/General Practitioners, does not bode well for most people. Then, the almost certain battles coming in Congress, within weeks, in attempts to dismantle the ACA, will throw even more of our health care system into a state of limbo.

Stay Healthy, my friends...things may get Very Interesting in coming months and years.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2015/01/01/multiple-pay-cuts-hit-doctors-in-2015/
 
QuickSilver said:
Here's what I know.... The ACA is helping my son finally get the care he desperately needs.. and he would not get if it were not for the Medicaid expansion... despite his affliation with the VA... there are some things they cannot provide.. So.. For those who think my son, a veteran, should not be helped... I have two words... and they aren't "terribly sorry"..
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Isn't the VA the closest thing there is to a single payer system? The gov. provides the funding, controls the care given.

You mention there are some things the VA cannot provide. What do you think would be different when the gov. controls all health care?
 
What do republicans have against people having healthcare?? It amazes me.

The discussion is not about health care, it is about health insurance. People who can afford health insurance get it. The poor have Medicaid.

Granted, there are problems that need fixing. For example, pre-existent conditions. there are two sides to that. One is people kicked off due to a condition and not able to get new insurance - that should be illegal. But, how about the 45 year old man who never had insurance and suddenly needs it? Should someone else pick up his tab after he never participated. I'd like to see how people see that situation.

The situation of the son who Republicans theoretically want to have no healthcare might also bring up issues needing to be addressed.

Considering the recent revelations about the VA and how everyone constantly complains about the inefficiency of bureaucracies, turning the whole thing over to the government hardly seems wise.


 
obamacare is a disaster .

health insurance works because the healthy folks pool the money to pay for the unhealthy folks .

well with premiums near 5k with no subsidy and first having a 2500 to 3k deductible and almost 7k out of pocket it is a better deal for healthy folks to pay the fine .

they can pay the fine , pay their usual yearly low medical bills and come out thousands ahead . you can spend 2500 bucks in bills and still not even count the 4-5k for premiums nor the fact you got back zero because you did not meet your deductible .

according to the ny times that is what happened . younger healthy folks are opting for the fine leaving those who need care and expensive treatment left in the pool .

our aca insurer went bankrupt last year sending us scrambling for coverage .
 

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