Shall we ban politics? Take the poll.

Do you want politcs to be banned from this forum?

  • Yes, ban it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%

  • No, keep it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%
  • Total voters
    74
  • Poll closed .
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Here's a radical thought - keep the political forum but do not allow the use of names or reference to any person or political party. Discuss ideas instead of personalities. Build a wall, don't build a wall. Keep DACA, get rid of DACA. Repeal ACA, keep ACA. Open boarders, impose travel ban.

Never mind. It would never work. (I need an emoji of me dope slapping myself...)
 
Happyflowerlady said:
I think that if people want to discuss politics (or argue about it) then they can start one of the private groups and do it there. None of it would show up under new posts, and then other current events could actually be discussed in the current events section of the forum.
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^^^ You're funny Hoot (but not a "dope" lol).

I think Happyflowerlady's "Private Groups" idea is the best one so far and Matrix already has a Private Group for Politics on his profile page called "Speaker's Corner". It would take newbies awhile to find "Private Groups" in member's profiles so we wouldn't lose them right away (as when they used to enter the Politics forum and see members bickering).

And the other members who have been here for years wouldn't get tired of seeing bickering and sometimes ugly posts under the "New Posts" option in the Toolbar above. Yet those who want to discuss politics can join the private groups on member's profile pages.
 

Hoot N Annie said:
Here's a radical thought - keep the political forum but do not allow the use of names or reference to any person or political party. Discuss ideas instead of personalities. Build a wall, don't build a wall. Keep DACA, get rid of DACA. Repeal ACA, keep ACA. Open boarders, impose travel ban.

Never mind. It would never work. (I need an emoji of me dope slapping myself...)
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Heres one....


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Edit: that was supposed to be a gif but didn't work....oh well. :)
 
The left and right has been fighting since the Civil War....fighting solves nothing. Everyone hates one side or the other. Everybody hates congress except the corporations that own it. If We are ever going to truly going to become the UNITED STATES, we all need to be independent voters and leaders, not chained to party or ideology.
 
Lara said:
^^^ You're funny Hoot (but not a "dope" lol).
I think Happyflowerlady's "Private Groups" idea is the best one so far and Matrix already has a Private Group for Politics on his profile page called "Speaker's Corner". It would take newbies awhile to find "Private Groups" in member's profiles so we wouldn't lose them right away (as when they used to enter the Politics forum and see members bickering).
And the other members who have been here for years wouldn't get tired of seeing bickering and sometimes ugly posts under the "New Posts" option in the Toolbar above. Yet those who want to discuss politics can join the private groups on member's profile pages.
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Actually, the Speaker’s Corner group is Warrigal’s group, and she is the one who moderates this group. I am totally in favor of letting the discussion of politics and other controversial topics be in this group.
There have already been several people who suggested that Warri moderate the political forum, and she declined; but if it were happening in her group instead, then she would be moderating the political discussions.
I think that this would also take a lot of the pressure off of Matrix and SeaBreeze of trying to allow a political forum and still stop the in-fighting that happens there.
It seems to me like it would be a win-win solution all of the way around. The people who like political debates can still have them, so it would not have to be banned completely, and the people who are not interested in those threads would not have it in their news feeds.
There are already over 60 members in this group (although some are probably not active) and more would undoubtedly join just to be involved in the discussions.
 
Jackie22 said:
There is already a way to avoid any forum you do not want to see that is in place now....all you have to do is follow the instructions.....if you are so offended, it should be no problem
for the offended to use rather than limiting or removing people that do post and read on the politics forum every day.
https://www.seniorforums.com/showthread.php/13016-Filtering-out-game-threads
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This process has ALWAYS been on this forum, and it seems not to have helped thus far. This has been brought up every single time that Matrix has had to deal with the ugliness in the political forums, and it still continues to be something that he and SeaBreeze have to contend with periodically.
I think that it is time for a better resolution.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
This process has ALWAYS been on this forum, and it seems not to have helped thus far. This has been brought up every single time that Matrix has had to deal with the ugliness in the political forums, and it still continues to be something that he and SeaBreeze have to contend with periodically.
I think that it is time for a better resolution.
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Could it be that its not working because the offended are not using it.
 
Lolly said:
Anyone take into consideration that some old folks just love to bicker and argue? Doesn't mean anything...
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Excellent point, Lolly.
Maybe , however, the ones who just want to discuss something without the “bickering and arguing” should also be able to do that as well.
That way, you could all have your little arguments, and those of us who want to discuss issues could do that without all of the bickering.
This is really not much different than the ones who used to throw the topic off-track by being facetious or flirting, bickering still hinders intelligent discussion of any topic.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Excellent point, Lolly.
Maybe , however, the ones who just want to discuss something without the “bickering and arguing” should also be able to do that as well.
That way, you could all have your little arguments, and those of us who want to discuss issues could do that without all of the bickering.
This is really not much different than the ones who used to throw the topic off-track by being facetious or flirting, bickering still hinders intelligent discussion of any topic.
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Yes. There is a big difference between arguing and bickering. I like to argue a point but having made a point, I see no value in fighting with another poster who see things differently. I have had to remind myself of this on occasions when I have been caught up in some prolonged to and fro interchanges.
 
One thing about these opinion polls always puzzles me. Is there some kind of safeguard to prevent anyone from voting more than once?
 
Warrigal said:
Yes. There is a big difference between arguing and bickering. I like to argue a point but having made a point, I see no value in fighting with another poster who see things differently. I have had to remind myself of this on occasions when I have been caught up in some prolonged to and fro interchanges.
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If it comes to politics being a group, I think you and HappyFlowerLady would make excellent mods. You are both fair and don't get nasty.

It would be fair and balanced. Warri leans left...HFL leans right. It's perfect! :)

Hope Yvonne doesn't get upset that I suggested her.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Here's a radical thought - keep the political forum but do not allow the use of names or reference to any person or political party. Discuss ideas instead of personalities. Build a wall, don't build a wall. Keep DACA, get rid of DACA. Repeal ACA, keep ACA. Open boarders, impose travel ban.

Never mind. It would never work. (I need an emoji of me dope slapping myself...)
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Great idea Hoot, but don't think people would be able to do that unfortunately. :crying:
 
Sunny said:
One thing about these opinion polls always puzzles me. Is there some kind of safeguard to prevent anyone from voting more than once?
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It says in the upper right hand corner of the Poll results Sunny, that 'you've already voted in this poll', so each member can only vote once here.
 
"Im using it but it doesn't work if you like to view the forum as I do."

Yes, that is your choice, Cee Cee, but the option is there for all to use.
 
Jackie22 said:
"Im using it but it doesn't work if you like to view the forum as I do."
Yes, that is your choice, Cee Cee, but the option is there for all to use.
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Why should it be the ones who are offended by “bickering and arguing” who have to do all of the changing ?
By this reasoning, if there are bullies on the playground, the rest of the kids should just find someplace else to play and let the bullies have the playground.
Same difference, Jackie22.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Why should it be the ones who are offended by “bickering and arguing” who have to do all of the changing ?
By this reasoning, if there are bullies on the playground, the rest of the kids should just find someplace else to play and let the bullies have the playground.
Same difference, Jackie22.
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On the other hand... there are 27 forums on SF that people are all welcome to use and enjoy... the Politics forum us only one of the 27... some enjoy it.. some don't.. I don't enjoy many of the 27 so I simply don't read them. Those not enjoying political debate have 26 other forums to choose from.
 
Lolly said:
On the other hand... there are 27 forums on SF that people are all welcome to use and enjoy... the Politics forum us only one of the 27... some enjoy it.. some don't.. I don't enjoy many of the 27 so I simply don't read them. Those not enjoying political debate have 26 other forums to choose from.
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The issue isn't that we don't enjoy politics, the issue is how ugly and nasty it gets.
 
The only objective a political board on a forum is to allow people who do not otherwise believe they have a voice in the real world somehow believe they are being heard on a public forum. Nothing can be further from the truth because after a bit of bickering and repetition the robots will fail to pick up anything that anyone else will read other than those on the forum itself.

Rarely do real honest facts appear since most people get their political information from heresay and when facts do appear there are always those who for lack of anything else to defend their stance, will resort to berating the fact finders.

Note: No one likes to be found incorrect or their personal stance to be found unpopular and there are some who will defend their position, right or wrong, by offering up nothing more than denegrating rhetoric which does nothing in the way of winning friends and influencing people.

The logo for this forum stresses that "friendly" people are here and looking at some of the past posts is what took me so long to join. After watching for a couple of years, it looked like some changes were being made for the better and from my position, the political board is the only black eye this forum suffers.
 
CeeCee said:
The issue isn't that we don't enjoy politics, the issue is how ugly and nasty it gets.
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Actually politics on SF is really rather mild in comparison to other places. For one thing verbal abuse is rare not too hard to ignore. We even have an 'ignore' function for us to use.

I appreciate the fact that this forum is fairly evenly balanced when it comes to political opinions. On other forums I have participated in there has been a tendency for the overwhelming majority of posters to be supporters of the same side of politics. This results in posters seldom hearing a dissenting opinion. Either way, left or right leaning, I find little to interest me. I'm either preaching to the choir or f**ting against thunder as my dear mother would say.
 

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